On April 21 2009 14:00 TheMango wrote: Best one in episode 2 imo:
I agree with one of the comments. It's extremely suspect that Simon asked the kid to stop in the middle of the performance so he could blow the audience away with another song... ?!
I agree with one of the comments. It's extremely suspect that Simon asked the kid to stop in the middle of the performance so he could blow the audience away with another song... ?!
It's so gay how they play Breaking Free in the background.. ;-;
On April 14 2009 01:14 Xusneb wrote: For everyone judging those reactions at 1:24, ask yourself if you wouldn't behave slightly similar in the same situation? We've seen enough bad eccentric singers on these kinds of shows to expect the worst.
These ppl are not snobs - they're just ... people behaving like any person living in our society, using looks and mannerisms to form a stereotype on other kinds of behaviours. "She looks somewhat eccentric, and old!, so she probably can't sing either!" For instance, right now I'm forming some mental image of angry computer nerds berating the behaviour of other ppl judging Susan Boyle I'm pretty sure almost everyone does this to some extent (unless you're some sort of saint) so don't go calling the kettle black.
I agree with this somewhat in examples such judging a person does not dress well so he might be poor or just does not care. However I didn't like 1:24 particularly due to it being a direct reaction to Susan saying she wants to be a professional singer. Their mindset here is basicly saying "oh she does not have great looks she wants to be a professional singer? LOL?" Which does not relate what so ever.
Also the woman is 47, she is not even close to ugly give her a break.
It's a part of human nature to form stereotypes. It's an evolutionary mechanism - when we were in caves and had actual predators, it was good to make a quick decision ("ok, that's a lion, I'm gonna get eaten if i dont run!"). Even if you don't buy this, I'm sure we've all seen, and may even have been part of, real life examples of this behaviour. Also, there's been studies showing how everyone favours good-looking individuals - we just naturally assume these pretty people are better at any task over an average-looking person.
Anyways, before I go off on a complete rant, I'm not condoning their behaviour. It's bad because we're civilized now, we don't live in caves, and we shouldn't judge others based on their looks. However, it's hardwired into our brains and by judging the judgers (oi, what a mess) we're basically behaving the same way as them.
it has nothing to do with evolution
yes it does. do you know how evolution works?
no he actually doesnt
actually, you guys don't. This is not evolution. Evolution is the exchanging of genetic material which leads to those with better traits having more fitness in a certain environment. This is social conditioning. We were not born with the knowledge that lions would kill us. We are taught.
They're right, I think you're confused as to what they're arguing though. Xusneb is basically saying that evolution is what ENABLES you to make those decisions about lions and whether they're going to eat you or not. Those who made good quick decisions lived to tell the tale (and breed), and those who didn't had their genes removed from the gene pool. As simple as that.
On April 14 2009 01:14 Xusneb wrote: For everyone judging those reactions at 1:24, ask yourself if you wouldn't behave slightly similar in the same situation? We've seen enough bad eccentric singers on these kinds of shows to expect the worst.
These ppl are not snobs - they're just ... people behaving like any person living in our society, using looks and mannerisms to form a stereotype on other kinds of behaviours. "She looks somewhat eccentric, and old!, so she probably can't sing either!" For instance, right now I'm forming some mental image of angry computer nerds berating the behaviour of other ppl judging Susan Boyle I'm pretty sure almost everyone does this to some extent (unless you're some sort of saint) so don't go calling the kettle black.
I agree with this somewhat in examples such judging a person does not dress well so he might be poor or just does not care. However I didn't like 1:24 particularly due to it being a direct reaction to Susan saying she wants to be a professional singer. Their mindset here is basicly saying "oh she does not have great looks she wants to be a professional singer? LOL?" Which does not relate what so ever.
Also the woman is 47, she is not even close to ugly give her a break.
It's a part of human nature to form stereotypes. It's an evolutionary mechanism - when we were in caves and had actual predators, it was good to make a quick decision ("ok, that's a lion, I'm gonna get eaten if i dont run!"). Even if you don't buy this, I'm sure we've all seen, and may even have been part of, real life examples of this behaviour. Also, there's been studies showing how everyone favours good-looking individuals - we just naturally assume these pretty people are better at any task over an average-looking person.
Anyways, before I go off on a complete rant, I'm not condoning their behaviour. It's bad because we're civilized now, we don't live in caves, and we shouldn't judge others based on their looks. However, it's hardwired into our brains and by judging the judgers (oi, what a mess) we're basically behaving the same way as them.
it has nothing to do with evolution
yes it does. do you know how evolution works?
no he actually doesnt
actually, you guys don't. This is not evolution. Evolution is the exchanging of genetic material which leads to those with better traits having more fitness in a certain environment. This is social conditioning. We were not born with the knowledge that lions would kill us. We are taught.
They're right, I think you're confused as to what they're arguing though. Xusneb is basically saying that evolution is what ENABLES you to make those decisions about lions and whether they're going to eat you or not. Those who made good quick decisions lived to tell the tale (and breed), and those who didn't had their genes removed from the gene pool. As simple as that.
Except in this case it is in the context of stereotyping. If it were just a discussion of quick thinking-ness then they are right, that's evolution. But the argument is that the girl did can be "excused" because stereotyping is an evolutionary mechanism and I'll quote "It's a part of human nature to form stereotypes. It's an evolutionary mechanism ", and that is clearly wrong. There is also the use of a study "Also, there's been studies showing how everyone favours good-looking individuals - we just naturally assume these pretty people are better at any task over an average-looking person." but those studies aren't about evolutionary traits but, like I said, social conditioning. People are not BORN wanting to get with a hot girl with huge knockers, that's burned into them by media, friends, and society as a whole.
On April 14 2009 01:14 Xusneb wrote: For everyone judging those reactions at 1:24, ask yourself if you wouldn't behave slightly similar in the same situation? We've seen enough bad eccentric singers on these kinds of shows to expect the worst.
These ppl are not snobs - they're just ... people behaving like any person living in our society, using looks and mannerisms to form a stereotype on other kinds of behaviours. "She looks somewhat eccentric, and old!, so she probably can't sing either!" For instance, right now I'm forming some mental image of angry computer nerds berating the behaviour of other ppl judging Susan Boyle I'm pretty sure almost everyone does this to some extent (unless you're some sort of saint) so don't go calling the kettle black.
I agree with this somewhat in examples such judging a person does not dress well so he might be poor or just does not care. However I didn't like 1:24 particularly due to it being a direct reaction to Susan saying she wants to be a professional singer. Their mindset here is basicly saying "oh she does not have great looks she wants to be a professional singer? LOL?" Which does not relate what so ever.
Also the woman is 47, she is not even close to ugly give her a break.
It's a part of human nature to form stereotypes. It's an evolutionary mechanism - when we were in caves and had actual predators, it was good to make a quick decision ("ok, that's a lion, I'm gonna get eaten if i dont run!"). Even if you don't buy this, I'm sure we've all seen, and may even have been part of, real life examples of this behaviour. Also, there's been studies showing how everyone favours good-looking individuals - we just naturally assume these pretty people are better at any task over an average-looking person.
Anyways, before I go off on a complete rant, I'm not condoning their behaviour. It's bad because we're civilized now, we don't live in caves, and we shouldn't judge others based on their looks. However, it's hardwired into our brains and by judging the judgers (oi, what a mess) we're basically behaving the same way as them.
it has nothing to do with evolution
yes it does. do you know how evolution works?
no he actually doesnt
actually, you guys don't. This is not evolution. Evolution is the exchanging of genetic material which leads to those with better traits having more fitness in a certain environment. This is social conditioning. We were not born with the knowledge that lions would kill us. We are taught.
They're right, I think you're confused as to what they're arguing though. Xusneb is basically saying that evolution is what ENABLES you to make those decisions about lions and whether they're going to eat you or not. Those who made good quick decisions lived to tell the tale (and breed), and those who didn't had their genes removed from the gene pool. As simple as that.
People are not BORN wanting to get with a hot girl with huge knockers, that's burned into them by media, friends, and society as a whole.
(Define "hot") Superficial beauty is a way of showing off fertility and "healthy genetic code" to attract mates, and if that isn't a biological trait, I don't know what is. A female will look for resources to support her offspring in a male mate, and a male looks for a signs that their offspring with a mate will be healthy, ergo attraction to beauty.
On April 14 2009 01:14 Xusneb wrote: For everyone judging those reactions at 1:24, ask yourself if you wouldn't behave slightly similar in the same situation? We've seen enough bad eccentric singers on these kinds of shows to expect the worst.
These ppl are not snobs - they're just ... people behaving like any person living in our society, using looks and mannerisms to form a stereotype on other kinds of behaviours. "She looks somewhat eccentric, and old!, so she probably can't sing either!" For instance, right now I'm forming some mental image of angry computer nerds berating the behaviour of other ppl judging Susan Boyle I'm pretty sure almost everyone does this to some extent (unless you're some sort of saint) so don't go calling the kettle black.
I agree with this somewhat in examples such judging a person does not dress well so he might be poor or just does not care. However I didn't like 1:24 particularly due to it being a direct reaction to Susan saying she wants to be a professional singer. Their mindset here is basicly saying "oh she does not have great looks she wants to be a professional singer? LOL?" Which does not relate what so ever.
Also the woman is 47, she is not even close to ugly give her a break.
It's a part of human nature to form stereotypes. It's an evolutionary mechanism - when we were in caves and had actual predators, it was good to make a quick decision ("ok, that's a lion, I'm gonna get eaten if i dont run!"). Even if you don't buy this, I'm sure we've all seen, and may even have been part of, real life examples of this behaviour. Also, there's been studies showing how everyone favours good-looking individuals - we just naturally assume these pretty people are better at any task over an average-looking person.
Anyways, before I go off on a complete rant, I'm not condoning their behaviour. It's bad because we're civilized now, we don't live in caves, and we shouldn't judge others based on their looks. However, it's hardwired into our brains and by judging the judgers (oi, what a mess) we're basically behaving the same way as them.
it has nothing to do with evolution
yes it does. do you know how evolution works?
no he actually doesnt
actually, you guys don't. This is not evolution. Evolution is the exchanging of genetic material which leads to those with better traits having more fitness in a certain environment. This is social conditioning. We were not born with the knowledge that lions would kill us. We are taught.
They're right, I think you're confused as to what they're arguing though. Xusneb is basically saying that evolution is what ENABLES you to make those decisions about lions and whether they're going to eat you or not. Those who made good quick decisions lived to tell the tale (and breed), and those who didn't had their genes removed from the gene pool. As simple as that.
People are not BORN wanting to get with a hot girl with huge knockers, that's burned into them by media, friends, and society as a whole.
(Define "hot") Superficial beauty is a way of showing off fertility and "healthy genetic code" to attract mates, and if that isn't a biological trait, I don't know what is. A female will look for resources to support her offspring in a male mate, and a male looks for a signs that their offspring with a mate will be healthy, ergo attraction to beauty.
Clearly this is not the case. Over the years public opinions on what is hot or not has changed drastically. Men of huge stature were once considered better and "hotter" mainly do to the fact that this meant they were rich and could indulge themselves in life's luxuries. Also, by that standard of "healthy genetic code and fertility", men should go for women with huge thighs and big hips and are generally "thick" because these characteristics lead to increased success at birthing and thus increased fitness while slim waists and skinniness does not and actually leads to more complications.
EPT
I'm pretty sure almost everyone does this to some extent (unless you're some sort of saint) so don't go calling the kettle black.
