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On March 16 2009 21:54 Jibba wrote:
I'm curious how many CS/Q3 players they really tried to tap for this thing. Does anyone believe someone like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it?
Given that gaming resume appears to have been one of the lesser criteria for participation, I can believe that a guy like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it.
This is a reality show and like all reality shows it has to be populated by 'types'. You have to have 'the jock', the 'angry female', the 'cheerleader', the 'black guy', etc. etc. A show populated with only the top gamers would be a bunch of guys like IdrA sitting around playing Magic: The Gathering.
It's not like any reality show is made up of the contestants most likely to stimulate the best in competition. It's all about that calculated mix of personality types that will lead to what we're all really after: Drama. Reality shows have had the same types of people in the cast ever since The Real World hit season two. These ones just happen to play an above average amount of videogames.
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Yeah, this show is to a gaming competition like Survivor is to a survival competition, pretty much.
Everyone here knows that the correct way to identify the best gamer in the world is to identify the most difficult game (BW) and determine its best player (Bisu). That was easy.
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On March 17 2009 03:33 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2009 21:54 Jibba wrote:
I'm curious how many CS/Q3 players they really tried to tap for this thing. Does anyone believe someone like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it? Given that gaming resume appears to have been one of the lesser criteria for participation, I can believe that a guy like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it. This is a reality show and like all reality shows it has to be populated by 'types'. You have to have 'the jock', the 'angry female', the 'cheerleader', the 'black guy', etc. etc. A show populated with only the top gamers would be a bunch of guys like IdrA sitting around playing Magic: The Gathering. It's not like any reality show is made up of the contestants most likely to stimulate the best in competition. It's all about that calculated mix of personality types that will lead to what we're all really after: Drama. Reality shows have had the same types of people in the cast ever since The Real World hit season two. These ones just happen to play an above average amount of videogames.
actually the first episode didn't lead me to believe drama was the thing they are after, though my senses implore me to reconsider, obviously its foolish that a reality show be anything but drama.
did anyone here think the first episode was dramatic? they tried i'll say that but i got a more competitive feeling
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flaccid is right though. all television programs require "stock characters" which is the proper term. a regular TV show that's "30 minutes" is actually shortened to about 15 - 20 minutes due to the advertisements, credits & previews. therefore stock characters are necessary for audiences to identify personality traits instantly. the most common being: the jock, the nerd, the princess, the bad ass, the emo kid (i.e. the breakfast club). not only are stock characters used for immediacy in recognition but also with dynamics. audiences want to see what happens when you cluster a handful of diverse people. how they react, how they clash, how they relate.
i am uncertain if this applies with "WCG Ultimate Gamer" but most casting directors follow the "moneymaking" format of stock characters.
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On March 17 2009 04:05 Xenixx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2009 03:33 Flaccid wrote:On March 16 2009 21:54 Jibba wrote:
I'm curious how many CS/Q3 players they really tried to tap for this thing. Does anyone believe someone like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it? Given that gaming resume appears to have been one of the lesser criteria for participation, I can believe that a guy like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it. This is a reality show and like all reality shows it has to be populated by 'types'. You have to have 'the jock', the 'angry female', the 'cheerleader', the 'black guy', etc. etc. A show populated with only the top gamers would be a bunch of guys like IdrA sitting around playing Magic: The Gathering. It's not like any reality show is made up of the contestants most likely to stimulate the best in competition. It's all about that calculated mix of personality types that will lead to what we're all really after: Drama. Reality shows have had the same types of people in the cast ever since The Real World hit season two. These ones just happen to play an above average amount of videogames. actually the first episode didn't lead me to believe drama was the thing they are after, though my senses implore me to reconsider, obviously its foolish that a reality show be anything but drama. did anyone here think the first episode was dramatic? they tried i'll say that but i got a more competitive feeling
You're definately right that the first episode didn't have a lot of 'house drama'. But as the number of competitors drops off and less pointless exposition is necessary, I'm sure we'll start to see some wonderfully forced subplots and side-stories.
I'm wondering whether people hardcore enough over a 10-year-old game to be posting on TL.net are really the target demographic for this show. Then again, we'll all watch because iNc is on it. But if he wasn't, how many of us would have any interest in the show?
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On March 17 2009 04:43 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2009 04:05 Xenixx wrote:On March 17 2009 03:33 Flaccid wrote:On March 16 2009 21:54 Jibba wrote:
I'm curious how many CS/Q3 players they really tried to tap for this thing. Does anyone believe someone like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it? Given that gaming resume appears to have been one of the lesser criteria for participation, I can believe that a guy like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it. This is a reality show and like all reality shows it has to be populated by 'types'. You have to have 'the jock', the 'angry female', the 'cheerleader', the 'black guy', etc. etc. A show populated with only the top gamers would be a bunch of guys like IdrA sitting around playing Magic: The Gathering. It's not like any reality show is made up of the contestants most likely to stimulate the best in competition. It's all about that calculated mix of personality types that will lead to what we're all really after: Drama. Reality shows have had the same types of people in the cast ever since The Real World hit season two. These ones just happen to play an above average amount of videogames. actually the first episode didn't lead me to believe drama was the thing they are after, though my senses implore me to reconsider, obviously its foolish that a reality show be anything but drama. did anyone here think the first episode was dramatic? they tried i'll say that but i got a more competitive feeling You're definately right that the first episode didn't have a lot of 'house drama'. But as the number of competitors drops off and less pointless exposition is necessary, I'm sure we'll start to see some wonderfully forced subplots and side-stories. I'm wondering whether people hardcore enough over a 10-year-old game to be posting on TL.net are really the target demographic for this show. Then again, we'll all watch because iNc is on it. But if he wasn't, how many of us would have any interest in the show?
I have to watch Boys Before Flowers with my girlfriend and had to watch Laguna Beach/The Hills with my ex so there is nothing I wouldn't watch anymore -_-
Closer to the topic at hand, most shows like to have that building drama concept, where small annoyances and comments grow and fester into huge bitchfights later on. The growing sensation of the conflict hooks the viewers into seeing the next episode, being all like "OMGZ IT IS GUNA HAPPN NAO DEFNTLEE!!!1!1" Having drama in the first episode between supposed strangers (mostly) would be too much, even for American audiences. At least in this premise (gaming), anyways.
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On March 12 2009 17:39 Roxen000 wrote:Ah, I just watched the first ep. As people have said, this is insanely cheesy but I will keep watching as long as inc is involved. 
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On March 17 2009 04:43 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2009 04:05 Xenixx wrote:On March 17 2009 03:33 Flaccid wrote:On March 16 2009 21:54 Jibba wrote:
I'm curious how many CS/Q3 players they really tried to tap for this thing. Does anyone believe someone like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it? Given that gaming resume appears to have been one of the lesser criteria for participation, I can believe that a guy like ZeRo4 wouldn't have made it. This is a reality show and like all reality shows it has to be populated by 'types'. You have to have 'the jock', the 'angry female', the 'cheerleader', the 'black guy', etc. etc. A show populated with only the top gamers would be a bunch of guys like IdrA sitting around playing Magic: The Gathering. It's not like any reality show is made up of the contestants most likely to stimulate the best in competition. It's all about that calculated mix of personality types that will lead to what we're all really after: Drama. Reality shows have had the same types of people in the cast ever since The Real World hit season two. These ones just happen to play an above average amount of videogames. actually the first episode didn't lead me to believe drama was the thing they are after, though my senses implore me to reconsider, obviously its foolish that a reality show be anything but drama. did anyone here think the first episode was dramatic? they tried i'll say that but i got a more competitive feeling You're definately right that the first episode didn't have a lot of 'house drama'. But as the number of competitors drops off and less pointless exposition is necessary, I'm sure we'll start to see some wonderfully forced subplots and side-stories. I'm wondering whether people hardcore enough over a 10-year-old game to be posting on TL.net are really the target demographic for this show. Then again, we'll all watch because iNc is on it. But if he wasn't, how many of us would have any interest in the show?
I wouldn't give two shits about this show if iNc wasn't in it. Honestly, I still only give one shit.
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On March 17 2009 05:13 KizZBG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 17:39 Roxen000 wrote:Ah, I just watched the first ep. As people have said, this is insanely cheesy but I will keep watching as long as inc is involved.
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On March 17 2009 04:02 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Yeah, this show is to a gaming competition like Survivor is to a survival competition, pretty much.
Everyone here knows that the correct way to identify the best gamer in the world is to identify the most difficult game (BW) and determine its best player (Bisu). That was easy.
i remember that sometime ago (dont know exactly when) there was a competition to find out who was the best gamer in the world... boxer and heaton (from cs) and some other players were playing and boxer won at the end... does someone remember this and know how it worked?
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Same time, same place this week?
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yes!
better episode
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You've been far too smiley lately. I fear you may just have a bad poker face.
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On March 17 2009 03:14 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Does anyone know if your interveiwed fatal1ty for this? Maybe he was just too damn boring a person to get on, but seeing as he the most famous non asian gamer. I'm supprised he not on it.
maybe the 100k price isnt worth enough
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thats true fatal1ty's gotta be measured over 100k for appearances
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Do they generally show drama in chronological order of when it happened? Since they undoubtedly have tons of footage, they probably have the power to create the viewer's perception of drama by misusing context.
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That's basically what reality tv is, creating plot based on manipulation of context.
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On March 17 2009 07:53 CDRdude wrote:
Do they generally show drama in chronological order of when it happened? Since they undoubtedly have tons of footage, they probably have the power to create the viewer's perception of drama by misusing context.
I'm pretty sure iNc's contract doesn't allow him to talk about that either. But what you say isn't too far-fetched, according to my really limited reality show experiences.
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On March 17 2009 08:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
That's basically what reality tv is, creating plot based on manipulation of context.
This bears repeating. I'm sure most ppl know this, but you would be surprised how often people don't realize it.
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