EPTThey could make some really scary or good ones, but they keep making ones that are absolutely retarded.
It used to be a republican specialty
2008 US Presidential Election - Page 52
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
They could make some really scary or good ones, but they keep making ones that are absolutely retarded. It used to be a republican specialty | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On October 25 2008 23:25 Jibba wrote: Every single country is realist. Look at what happened to the EU when the market crashed. Holy shit, you know nothing about economics or politics. What the fuck are they teaching in Australian universities? Every country has been realist since FOREVER. Only recently has there been any shift towards a human security model and still most states aren't willing to do it. Why aren't Germany/France/"liberal countries" helping in Darfur/Uganda/Angola/etc.? Because each of them ran a cost/benefit analysis for themselves and said "fuck it." Even on a personal level, every single person on earth starts as a realist. And the ISI has aided the Taliban like no others. What exactly do you suppose we do about it the next time they sell a nuclear blue print? Where are you coming up with this crap? Show me a single expert that conflates self interest to psychopathy in the manner you just have. Oh, let me guess. Noam Chomsky, Zinn and a bunch of jackasses they talked to in The Corporation. I'm glad we're getting our viewpoints from shock treatment Moore-esque "documentaries" these days. Next up: Zeitgeist 6! And I'm sure you're going to counter with something idiotic like "but look at Enron!~!~!11one" Yes, Enron was a terrible company but it became that way due to an extremely corrupt social culture, not because businesses are inherently that way. During WWII, was Germany filled with a bunch of psychopaths or just regular people who had been moved by societal settings? LoL you are an idiot. Every country being realist? Yes this is true, the point I was making was that so long as the big players are realist then every other nation has no choice but to be realist as well. If the big players were not realist then I'm sure nations like Germany amoung others (basically everyone) would be happy to be liberal but the current state is that they have no choice. On the Taliban count they would be sitting in Afghanistan doing their thing without a care for the western would if our realist ambition had not driven them to despise us (I am talking about our long bloody history of interference in the middle easy), they fight us for realist reasons, we fight them for realist reasons as well. I will not both to find an expert who compares self interest to realism in the manner I have simply because it is such common sence that no expert would go into this in depth rather they take it as assumed knowledge. Realism = acting in self interest. During World War two Germany had sociopaths running the place, they are the crazy ones who do bad things for laughs, similar in basic principle to psychopaths in that they have no empathy but they are fundamentally different psychopaths do things because it is in their self interest, not because they prefer bad things over good rather they are completely neutral so long as the bad does not detriment them. Most German people were fine, they were a victim of a system created by crazy people at the top. I do not care one bit about Enron or any other corporation be they well behaved or devious. All corporations are clinical psychopaths, they feel no empathy they simply act in self interest. Sometimes their self interest is a benefit to everyone, some times it is not. For example Shells environmentally destructive actions in Africa. | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On October 26 2008 05:18 Savio wrote: Those are just ridiculous statements. If Iraq stabilizes well into a successful democracy (think South Korea), history will almost surely see it as a success. Any blank statement that Iraq is worse than Vietnam is.....well its just retarded. Vietnam was a MUCH bigger war with MUCH stronger resentment against it and the end result was terrible. Iraq is a tiny thing by comparison. Iraq is worse than Vietnam for one very important reason, it sends a clear message to Russia and China that (regardless of if you agree with this it is undeniable they believe it and that's what counts) the United States will use military force regardless of international support or of the human consequences to take control of middle eastern oil to further American interest. If you think they went into Iraq to get rid of a bad dictator you are simply naive. In 2003 the year of the Iraq invasion Russia announced an enormous military investment program such that the Russia army is far more capable than it was only a few years ago and in fact is superior to the United States in some important ways. Russia since has become increasingly assertive and aggressive. China is responding in the same way however they are more discreet. One day Iraq and other American aggression i.e toward Iran and indeed just today American forces launched a raid into Syria could be seen as the actions which lead to World War three. Also this war has put tremendous strain on the American budget. 1.4 trillion deficit projected for next year. This is a war the United States cannot (maybe can) afford given the economic challenges they face. If tensions are increased much further than serious wide spread war is a possibility, a policy hawk like McCain is the last thing the United States needs right now. | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On October 27 2008 05:50 LordofToast wrote: Here is an interesting article that states a fall in the crime rate during the 90s was directly influenced by the Roe Vs Wade case. http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/barro/files/bw99_09_27.pdf In my humble opinion I don't think 99% of people on this website have been in a situation where an unwanted pregnancy would cause them any suffering and have no right to say what is right and wrong. This is a very important aspect to the abortion debate that does not even get mentioned. In the early 1990's crime was an epidemic and everyone predicted it would get even worse, then all of a sudden around 18 years after abortion right when that generation would be entering the crime thing the prime rate plummeted. Unwanted children lead neglected lives and are far more likely to become criminals, this is a significant argument supporting abortion which should not be neglected but politicians do not want to bring it up so far as I can tell. | ||
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Wolverine
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On October 27 2008 15:37 mindspike wrote: racists at mccain rally + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagD-4AH4Vc  Oh humanity  | ||
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
On October 27 2008 11:08 Savio wrote: I support allowing research on stem cells. Even stem cells from embryos with one stipulation: No monetary benefit to the person donating the cells. No markets, no sales, no incentives. Just like any other organ donation. Also no farming of embryos. No embryo creation with the express purpose of killing it for the harvest. Natural miscarriages and even the remains of abortion could be used if donated by the parent. But I am also against government funding of it, mostly because its a waste of money. If stem cell research really will pay off, then private companies WILL get funding for it. But people think that stem cells are going to cure every disease known to man and it has become way overblown. People expectations are way above reality. The fascinating thing about stem cells is that their therapeutic potential isn't overblown at all. The possibilities are quite extraordinary when you consider that stem cells have the capability of transforming into all specialized tissues that are to be found in the human body. From cancer treatment to new teeth buds, the research done so far is very promising. This is why there is so much excitement around them and it is quite justified to expect them to forever change the way treatment is conducted. Of course, there is still much to be learned about them and the trouble is that the nature of this type of research is that you can't set deadlines or predict particular results. But if there ever was fundamental research worth funding by a government, this is it. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 27 2008 16:44 Choros wrote: LoL you are an idiot. Every country being realist? Yes this is true, the point I was making was that so long as the big players are realist then every other nation has no choice but to be realist as well. If the big players were not realist then I'm sure nations like Germany amoung others (basically everyone) would be happy to be liberal but the current state is that they have no choice. On the Taliban count they would be sitting in Afghanistan doing their thing without a care for the western would if our realist ambition had not driven them to despise us (I am talking about our long bloody history of interference in the middle easy), they fight us for realist reasons, we fight them for realist reasons as well. I will not both to find an expert who compares self interest to realism in the manner I have simply because it is such common sence that no expert would go into this in depth rather they take it as assumed knowledge. Realism = acting in self interest. During World War two Germany had sociopaths running the place, they are the crazy ones who do bad things for laughs, similar in basic principle to psychopaths in that they have no empathy but they are fundamentally different psychopaths do things because it is in their self interest, not because they prefer bad things over good rather they are completely neutral so long as the bad does not detriment them. Most German people were fine, they were a victim of a system created by crazy people at the top. I do not care one bit about Enron or any other corporation be they well behaved or devious. All corporations are clinical psychopaths, they feel no empathy they simply act in self interest. Sometimes their self interest is a benefit to everyone, some times it is not. For example Shells environmentally destructive actions in Africa. This is utter bullshit. All you want to do is point fingers at the US and Russia. Europe's response to the stock market crash is exactly what you'd expect from a bunch of realist countries. It's the motherfucking USA that's trying to rally each country together. You know why everyone's a realist? Because every leader is accountable to THEIR OWN PEOPLE, hence they act in THEIR OWN COUNTRY'S INTEREST. How many German citizens voted for Sarkozy? This is fucking political science, not rocket science. How do you think the social contract is supposed to work? Why don't you go suck on Keyne's third testicle a bit more and shut up. Sociopath is a mirror term for psychopath, and Eichmann was not either. This is essentially what has happened. You saw a shitty documentary that you think is the greatest thing on earth, so your tiny little brain has suddenly equated selfishness to psychopathy because it sounded cool in the movie. It's a psychological term that carries many more attributes than just self interest, which is why it is a negative condition. If it were purely self interest, then being a psychopath wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. OH GOD DAMN YOU USA AND RUSSIA, AND YOUR EVIL CORPORATIONS LIKE SHELL (Dutch) AND BAYER (German.) | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 27 2008 17:02 Choros wrote: Iraq is worse than Vietnam for one very important reason, it sends a clear message to Russia and China that (regardless of if you agree with this it is undeniable they believe it and that's what counts) the United States will use military force regardless of international support or of the human consequences to take control of middle eastern oil to further American interest. If you think they went into Iraq to get rid of a bad dictator you are simply naive. In 2003 the year of the Iraq invasion Russia announced an enormous military investment program such that the Russia army is far more capable than it was only a few years ago and in fact is superior to the United States in some important ways. First of all, the fact that it builds our attack credibility is actually one of the few good things that has developed from it. Second, you're going to cite Russia as a reason for the war? Russia?! Jesus christ man, did you see a cool documentary on that one? Putin's announcement took place in May while he was on the campaign trail (easy votes), the Iraq war began in March and was planned months before that. And as we saw with Georgia, Russia's military is still heavily inferior to the US/England/Germany/NATO. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 27 2008 17:07 Choros wrote: This is a very important aspect to the abortion debate that does not even get mentioned. In the early 1990's crime was an epidemic and everyone predicted it would get even worse, then all of a sudden around 18 years after abortion right when that generation would be entering the crime thing the prime rate plummeted. Unwanted children lead neglected lives and are far more likely to become criminals, this is a significant argument supporting abortion which should not be neglected but politicians do not want to bring it up so far as I can tell. It would be an absolutely horrid subject for a politician to bring up. And Levitt's work has been weakened since the release. It only provides some correlation at the moment, not causation. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10565 Posts
Obama in 2001 on redistribution of wealth. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10718 Posts
It's not in any way related to you. It for sure has no feelings. Abortion until a certain time in pregnancy is not murder, it's not crime, it's just stopping some cells from splitting. | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
On October 27 2008 15:37 mindspike wrote: racists at mccain rally http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagD-4AH4Vc Jesus, these kinds of videos really depress me. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
she started out with a whole bunch of supporters who liked her/her policies etc. In other words, mostly normal people. Then as she started losing and becoming more desperate, a bigger part of her supporters (or at least the part we were exposed to) were racists and extremists. I think as any campaign starts to seriously falter, that campaign loses normal supporters in favor of the more extremist side. So this is a sign of weakness (not that we need one with 9 days left), and will actually just hurt mccain even more. When all you have left is fringe voters, it doesnt matter what they say, they make up a small small fraction of the population | ||
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zOula...
United States898 Posts
McCain-Palin Tradition as sung by Hank Williams Jr. at the McCain-Palin rallies... I've never seen anything more unprofessional/redneck in my life. lol. Cant believe this guy is affiliated w/ the campaign Lyrics: + Show Spoiler + Hank Williams Jr - McCain Palin Tradition 10.13.08 at rally in Richmond, Virginia The left wing liberal media have always been a real close knit family But most of the American people dont believe em anyway you see Stop and think it over Before you make your decision If they smell something wrong, theyre gonna come down strong You know McCain-Palin tradition John and Sarah tell you just what they think. Theyre not gonna blink. And they dont have radical friends to whom their careers are linked John is his own man And Sarah fixed Alaskas broken condition Theyre gonna be just fine Were headed for good times You know McCain-Palin Tradition This old unions got problems That is plain to see The democrats bankrupted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Like 1-2-3 The bankers didnt want to make all those bad loans Bill Clinton said "you got to!" Now they wanna bail out what Im talking about Is a democrat liberal hoodoo! To me and you John and Sarah tell you just what they think And theyre not gonna blink Theyre gonna fix this country, cuz theyre just like you and ol Hank I am very proud Of our countrys name But no society is perfect And we have had our stains If Im down at the coffee shop Somebody wants to start do give our flag friction I say please move on, were standing strong Thats an Old John McCain tradition John and Sarah tell you just what they think And theyre not gonna blink Theyre gonna fix this country, cuz theyre just like you and ol Hank If Im down at the coffee shop Somebody wants to start do give our flag friction I say please move on, were standing strong Thats an Old John McCain tradition Some are bound to tell you Im preaching to the choir And that is very true, and we are going even higher Like a Mama bear in Idaho Shell protect your familys condition If you mess with her cubs, shes gonna take off the gloves, thats an American female tradition Ehi tell me Sarah why do you hunt John why do you fish How can you be so smart and savvy such a hey good looking dish Yes John is his own man And Sarah fixed Alaskas broken condition Were gonna see the light, theyre gonna get it right, its a McCain-Palin tradition | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," this McCain adviser said. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else. "Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom." ... But two sources, one Palin associate and one McCain adviser, defended the decision to keep her media interaction limited after she was picked, both saying flatly that she was not ready and that the missteps could have been a lot worse. They insisted that she needed time to be briefed on national and international issues and on McCain's record. "Her lack of fundamental understanding of some key issues was dramatic," said another McCain source with direct knowledge of the process to prepare Palin after she was picked. The source said it was probably the "hardest" to get her "up to speed than any candidate in history." http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/palin.tension/index.html That's a pretty damning quote as to her being an idiot. | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
On October 28 2008 00:38 zOula... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-YuyTXZs58 McCain-Palin Tradition as sung by Hank Williams Jr. at the McCain-Palin rallies... I've never seen anything more unprofessional/redneck in my life. lol. Cant believe this guy is affiliated w/ the campaign Lyrics: + Show Spoiler + Hank Williams Jr - McCain Palin Tradition 10.13.08 at rally in Richmond, Virginia The left wing liberal media have always been a real close knit family But most of the American people dont believe em anyway you see Stop and think it over Before you make your decision If they smell something wrong, theyre gonna come down strong You know McCain-Palin tradition John and Sarah tell you just what they think. Theyre not gonna blink. And they dont have radical friends to whom their careers are linked John is his own man And Sarah fixed Alaskas broken condition Theyre gonna be just fine Were headed for good times You know McCain-Palin Tradition This old unions got problems That is plain to see The democrats bankrupted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Like 1-2-3 The bankers didnt want to make all those bad loans Bill Clinton said "you got to!" Now they wanna bail out what Im talking about Is a democrat liberal hoodoo! To me and you John and Sarah tell you just what they think And theyre not gonna blink Theyre gonna fix this country, cuz theyre just like you and ol Hank I am very proud Of our countrys name But no society is perfect And we have had our stains If Im down at the coffee shop Somebody wants to start do give our flag friction I say please move on, were standing strong Thats an Old John McCain tradition John and Sarah tell you just what they think And theyre not gonna blink Theyre gonna fix this country, cuz theyre just like you and ol Hank If Im down at the coffee shop Somebody wants to start do give our flag friction I say please move on, were standing strong Thats an Old John McCain tradition Some are bound to tell you Im preaching to the choir And that is very true, and we are going even higher Like a Mama bear in Idaho Shell protect your familys condition If you mess with her cubs, shes gonna take off the gloves, thats an American female tradition Ehi tell me Sarah why do you hunt John why do you fish How can you be so smart and savvy such a hey good looking dish Yes John is his own man And Sarah fixed Alaskas broken condition Were gonna see the light, theyre gonna get it right, its a McCain-Palin tradition I can't remember the last time I've laughed so much. That was redneck stupidity at its prime. I honestly can't see how the McCain campaign would ever want to associate themselves with this inbred hillbilly. EDIT: How can you hope to pick up ANY independents/undecidedes with that kinda stunt? | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
Even the crowd actually seemed to be getting annoyed at her constant repeating, at one point she was talking about her work in Alaska and she repeated "took on the good old boys" 3 times in one minute. The third time I could have sworn I heard someone in the crowd yell "we know", someone yelled something, could just be wishful thinking what it was though. Anyway, that's an update on Palin. I watched some of McCain today in Ohio on the other hand, and he was actually clear about his economic policies and gave figures and had actual substance, the difference between his speech and Palin's was stark. And the difference between McCain and Palin's audience was stark, Palin's was cheering every two seconds, McCain's was a lot more reserved. Weird stuff. | ||
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