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fenixdown
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Colombia320 Posts
October 21 2004 12:22 GMT
#181
well, just to make the point that the "smarter" thing isn't the "most intelligent". Spread ur genes out there like a crazy is not smart, is lack of interest for this world and his enviromental problem (what I call to be just a dick) and sorry for this offtopic dude.
I love protoss because it is tough and straight. It is a race for the men. - Reach
0_0
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2090 Posts
October 21 2004 12:31 GMT
#182
While we're on the topic of IQ... I read awhile ago that the person with the highest IQ was a russian kid with hypersynapsis, he had one of 400+ i'm pretty sure he died before reaching adulthood, I know IQ tests only go up to 250 or something, but I'm sure there is some type of special one to test geniuses or something?

Also, out of curiosity... generally geniuses don't live that long... I mean mozart, this sidis guy, etc. eventually they're self destructiveness kills them(e.g. drugs, beer, etc? Or just dying early) - of course there are exceptions. Anyways, is this because of some abnormality in their brain or something - perhaps a tumor or what not? I've always been curious, but never asked :-/.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-21 12:45:03
October 21 2004 12:44 GMT
#183
0_0: mozart lived to be 35, not half bad for his time. Most 'geniuses' nowadays live to be in there 60s or so, in fact, most geniuses over time lived well over their expected age. So I don't know where you got that from.

Also, the russian kid died of self inflicted wounds due to being psychotic from an overactive brain. He died in a mental hospital.

North american standardized tests go to 200, I believe european ones go to 150. You need special tests to go above that.

Edit: Made a typo on mozart's age.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 21 2004 12:47 GMT
#184
Gengis Khan's children exceeded 800, I believe they far exceeded that actually, he has something like 100,000 direct decendants. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a Czar that had over 800 children. Powerful womanizers do that.
SurG
Profile Joined June 2003
Russian Federation798 Posts
October 21 2004 13:42 GMT
#185
On October 21 2004 21:47 Element)FrEaK wrote:
Gengis Khan's children exceeded 800, I believe they far exceeded that actually, he has something like 100,000 direct decendants. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a Czar that had over 800 children. Powerful womanizers do that.

I'm not going to argue on the topic you probably have no knowledge. Just think about how many wifes Ghengis Khan had. You can't have more than 1 in Russia.
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
October 21 2004 13:47 GMT
#186
stop fuckin lying to yourselves
asians are generally smarter than whites
whites are generally smarter than blacks
it ain't no big fuckin thing, and, really, it don't mean shit
being smart ain't worth shit without everything else
JAM THE FUCKER!
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 21 2004 13:49 GMT
#187
Fair enough, I've never cared enough about russia to ever study its history >.<

Mongolia's reign over northern asia during the period that they held it was much more interesting.

Word of note: Ghengis Khan had MUCH more children than with just his wives. Any powerful womanizer will get plenty of children, I'm just saying that a Czar could have it due to having alot of power. I'm saying its possible, though probably not correct. If it is correct, it wouldn't be something you could read up on as they clearly didn't do it openly.

*shrugs*
dsh
Profile Joined June 2004
United States879 Posts
October 21 2004 14:05 GMT
#188
nice read
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
October 21 2004 14:13 GMT
#189
Hes not that smart
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-21 14:21:00
October 21 2004 14:20 GMT
#190
On October 21 2004 21:47 Element)FrEaK wrote:
Gengis Khan's children exceeded 800, I believe they far exceeded that actually, he has something like 100,000 direct decendants. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a Czar that had over 800 children. Powerful womanizers do that.


if Khan's dick could speak...
Im back, in pog form!
Hydrolisko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Vanuatu1659 Posts
October 21 2004 14:54 GMT
#191
On October 21 2004 08:51 TvP On Guillo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2004 02:17 Hydrolisko wrote:
Average IQ by nation
China, Japan, Korea (Eastern Asia Countries) 103-107
United States 98
Mexico 87
African countries 70


This statement is incredibly stupid and incorrect. Could you link me to where you read this? IQ tests that result in a specific race getting higher scores than another, are completely useless. A proper IQ test doesn't require any knowledge. Obviously these scores are based on a select few of iq tests from the different countrys, and as we all know, the educational system in Africa as a whole, is not really great. If anything, these scores might be an indicator to how well the education system is in those specific countrys/nations, compared to each other.


Um yes I can, it's a damn book. You think I made it up or something?

http://www.socialsciencesweb.com/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations_027597510X.html

and... if you have ever taken an IQ test or even read about it, you'll know that it does not require much knowledge, if any at all. Most of the IQ test is based on memory, logic, and speed of response. Please get it right before you come out with your non-sense opinion claiming my facts as non-sense.
klaasdebaas
Profile Joined October 2004
59 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-21 16:32:15
October 21 2004 16:30 GMT
#192
On August 30 2003 18:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you're not the greatest mind ever if you are socially inept lolz

anyway im not surprised the smartest person ever joined the socialist party. =]


Yeah, its proven that the brightest people are mostly socialists.

I guess im not to bright
s.taro
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada172 Posts
October 21 2004 16:56 GMT
#193
actually i have a ripleys book that the smartest person was a korean kid..at the age of 10 months he can speak fluent english and korean , 3 years old he graduated from uni and got a phd for something forgot..6 years old he designed a space shuttle thing ..blah blah
Gayliens!
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
October 21 2004 17:01 GMT
#194
This thread is incredibly silly.

IQs are overrated, if they even exist at all. No one can quantify a person's ability to think, not to mention "averages" for entire nations.

I don't even know what the statement "its proven that the brightest people are mostly socialists" is supposed to mean.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 21 2004 17:17 GMT
#195
you can measure a person's ability to understand and retain information and then repeat it though.

That's not all memory, the ability to memorize a passage does not mean you understand it.

That is all that IQ really is, the higher the IQ the greater the ability to understand and retain information given to you. Having a higher IQ just means you have to work less hard to learn things, but it does not make you any better at execution or applying them. Hard work will almost always outdo IQ, IQ and Intelligence can only go so far.
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
October 21 2004 17:18 GMT
#196
I saw a website with the top 10 people of highest IQs in history. Most were germans, one American, Bobby Fischer. Just thought it was interesting.
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
Sosha
Profile Joined August 2004
United States749 Posts
October 21 2004 17:19 GMT
#197
Everyone that's intrigued by this post / story should see "a beautiful mind" with Russel Crowe. It's about a genious and how his life goes. Quite good.
Tranquility through fluid Motion. GlowBabyGlow.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
October 21 2004 17:28 GMT
#198
On October 22 2004 02:17 Element)FrEaK wrote:
you can measure a person's ability to understand and retain information and then repeat it though.

That's not all memory, the ability to memorize a passage does not mean you understand it.

That is all that IQ really is, the higher the IQ the greater the ability to understand and retain information given to you. Having a higher IQ just means you have to work less hard to learn things, but it does not make you any better at execution or applying them. Hard work will almost always outdo IQ, IQ and Intelligence can only go so far.


If this were true, how would one take such a measure? Even the most abstract of memory tests rely on a degree of comprehensive familiarity. Such things as logic, association and generalization are subordinate to the kind of breeding one's mind undergoes. You will forgive a person who has never been exposed to mathematics to be unable to grasp the connection between the ideas of "seven days" and "seven apples".
It is more reasonable to conclude that such ideas, and intelligence with it, are cultivated. People are overeager to come to the conclusion that

Intelligence -> Ability to think -> Ability to Understand -> Creates interest -> Creates knowledge

The amusing thing with such a hierarchy of causes is that it can be inverted so assume any form, the logic of which may be defended in argument.

Interest -> Creates knowledge-> Intelligence-> Ability to think-> Ability to understand.

Furthermore this kind of analysis completely ignores the purposes of the person involved. One's ability to think does not matter as much in the long run as their willingness to think; which involves a choice to take an interest in thinking, and not merely one's innate ability.
fenixdown
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Colombia320 Posts
October 22 2004 02:37 GMT
#199
I guess u can saw lot's of great minds on socialist nations because there everybody has the "same opportunities" so intelligent and smart people is easily found while on on other political-economical systems that's not the case, u can be a fuckin genius but if ur family is poor (specially on 3rd country) ur chances to give something back to the world is little.
I love protoss because it is tough and straight. It is a race for the men. - Reach
TvP On Guillo
Profile Joined April 2004
Denmark646 Posts
October 22 2004 02:47 GMT
#200
On October 21 2004 23:54 Hydrolisko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2004 08:51 TvP On Guillo wrote:
On October 21 2004 02:17 Hydrolisko wrote:
Average IQ by nation
China, Japan, Korea (Eastern Asia Countries) 103-107
United States 98
Mexico 87
African countries 70


This statement is incredibly stupid and incorrect. Could you link me to where you read this? IQ tests that result in a specific race getting higher scores than another, are completely useless. A proper IQ test doesn't require any knowledge. Obviously these scores are based on a select few of iq tests from the different countrys, and as we all know, the educational system in Africa as a whole, is not really great. If anything, these scores might be an indicator to how well the education system is in those specific countrys/nations, compared to each other.


Um yes I can, it's a damn book. You think I made it up or something?

http://www.socialsciencesweb.com/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations_027597510X.html

and... if you have ever taken an IQ test or even read about it, you'll know that it does not require much knowledge, if any at all. Most of the IQ test is based on memory, logic, and speed of response. Please get it right before you come out with your non-sense opinion claiming my facts as non-sense.


I don't care if it was something you made up, its still stupid and incorrect. I hope no one takes that book serious, or you for that matter. To quote the link:

"The lowest measured is in Guinea (IQ, 59)," (Guinea has an average IQ of 59 according to this book)

Hah. If this was true, over 50% of the Guinean population are unable to speak coherently / are lower intelligent than the average retard.

Further down it says: "The numbers may be incorrect but nonetheless are worthy areas of debate and data for additional research."

Well, no shit! The numbers in the book DOES NOT INDICATE IQ, NOR IS BASED ON TESTS THAT ACCURATELY MEASURES IQ.
Deeply earnest and thoughtful people stand on shaky footing with the public - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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