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On January 20 2008 05:03 Eskii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2008 04:52 samachking wrote:On January 20 2008 04:48 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." I guess this guy fails Socrates test It doesnt really matter how much inteligence you have, its what you do with it that counts, even if the IQ test is a correct method of testing inteligence, which I doubt it is, this guy Fails at life. And by what standard do you say he fails life? He doesent live up to your expectations of what a Genius is? Do you think he should be out curing cancer instead of bouncing a bar?
Lets put it this way, if you want to boast about how smart you are, atleast do something useful, not ramble random BS.
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How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad 
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I think this guy is so retarded that he thinks he is the smartest in the world. I would say that many others are smarter than him. Why? Because at least they use their skills and abilities they have to good use. Unlike this guy who is being a bouncer and just sitting there claiming he is the smartest ever. If he is the smartest, let him use his abilities to the fullest and not take some bullshit interviews claiming that he is the smartest. IQ is nothing. What counts is using your own abilities to the max level and doing something good with your life.
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On January 20 2008 05:11 Glider wrote:How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad
There are a lot of people in this world that have much more sad stories. Why do they even care about his story, wait does it add anything to what he is claiming?! Or is it some mombo jombo crap?!
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On January 20 2008 05:11 Glider wrote:How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad
One word
Propaganda
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On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.
This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.
Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.
How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?
I agree wholeheartedly.
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On January 20 2008 05:11 Glider wrote:How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad
I'm not sure but you're right. If people think he's an asshole and his outlook on humanity is disgusting, look no further than the humanity he was brought up in.
Being intelligent doesn't preclude you from psychological issues.
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On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.
This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.
Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.
How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?
ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design.
Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.
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I'm incredibly skeptical about the legitimacy of the iq test he took. as its been stated, it was from some random magazine so i refuse to believe the iq score he placed was really standardized compared to the real well known ones.
and he's a bouncer at a bar? LOLLLLLL what a joke LOL that guy looks like an overweight faggot; what drunken middle age guy couldn't overpower a weaksauce man like him
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On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.
This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.
Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.
How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right? ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design. Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.
Do a little reading about Of Pandas and People, the wedge strategy, and the Dover trial. Pushing ID is only the first step.
That he has allowed himself to become a pawn of religious fundamentalists does not speak well of him.
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On January 20 2008 06:33 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.
This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.
Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.
How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right? ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design. Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist. Do a little reading about Of Pandas and People, the wedge strategy, and the Dover trial. Pushing ID is only the first step. That he has allowed himself to become a pawn of religious fundamentalists does not speak well of him. Religious fundamentalists can turn virtually anybody into a pawn of theirs. Granted he walked head first into it but I'm still curious about the mathematics to support his theories. Listening to people go on about bacteria flagellum over and over again gets a bit old.
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On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.
This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.
Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.
How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right? ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design. Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.
ID = Creationism
if you want to follow on that you can make a new thread or we can discuss through PM.
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On January 20 2008 06:38 Rev0lution wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.
This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.
Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.
How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right? ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design. Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist. ID = Creationism if you want to follow on that you can make a new thread or we can discuss through PM.
Actually ID does not = Creationism. Or at least not creationism as it is usually described.
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On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.
This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.
Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.
How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right? ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design. Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.
ID is a joke, its pushed on by Christian Creationists as real science when it is not. COMPLETE joke, its obvious what those people are trying to do when they bring up ID.
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The only reason to believe that our universe is not a computer simulation or a bottled ant farm in a much larger universe is the preference for minimalistic explanations of the world, also known as Occam's Razor. There can be no evidence against the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god who wishes to hide himself from us; lack of evidence for his existence can be interpreted equally as evidence of his competence.
The proper justification for Occam's Razor is not that the simpler explanation is more likely to be correct, but more directly that it is easier to remember and work with. The simplest model which is consistent with the facts is the best compression of the data of those facts. The more easily our minds can work with a model, the more easily we can use it to make predictions, and therefore the more easily we can evaluate its power to make accurate predictions.
Preference for the simplest model makes the best use of our limited intelligence and information, despite (and also because of) the fact that simple models often prove to have been too simple when more data becomes available.
However, preference for a more appealing model can have the best effect on our emotional state. It is not always beneficial to be correct, especially since our logical faculties often find themselves in a subordinate role to our instinctive drives. I think it is no coincidence that powerful societies tend to be strongly religious.
Atheism makes best use of our intelligence (for good or for ill), but religion is more powerful and versatile in mastering our emotions (for good or for ill).
The true philosopher recognizes that we can have no evidence to guide us in our choice between solipsism, consensus reality, theism, and atheism. The genuine pragmatist recognizes that each has its own value and proper context, regardless of truth.
Anyway, ID needs advocates. It is not hard to imagine conclusive evidence of pre-human intelligence (whether the aliens might be extradimensional or merely extraterrestrial is a relatively minor point). Somebody ought to be looking for it, just in case it's there, in the true spirit of science, just like SETI. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, especially when serious people aren't looking very hard, and preference for the simpler model is not a decisive argument, just a good guideline for making progress.
Religion's defenders are not wrong when they claim that many of evolution's advocates are motivated by their desire to attack religion. Both sides could generally benefit from being more civil and openminded.
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It's more difficult to be civil when you believe you'll be heading to Hell for doing so.
But in general I agree with your post. As much as people like to deny it, extremists play an important role in society.
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The true philosopher recognizes that we can have no evidence to guide us in our choice between solipsism, consensus reality, theism, and atheism. The genuine pragmatist recognizes that each has its own value and proper context, regardless of truth.
(...)Both sides could generally benefit from being more civil and openminded.
Just wanted to voice my support. Wholeheartedly agree with that. Don't want to add anything else because discussions over religion (or lack thereof) lead absolutely nowhere and just manage to get people pissed off on both sides. It's not even much of a debating exercise because pretty much all arguments are beaten up, worn down, and older than everything.
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The only reason to believe that our universe is not a computer simulation or a bottled ant farm in a much larger universe is the preference for minimalistic explanations of the world, also known as Occam's Razor. There can be no evidence against the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god who wishes to hide himself from us; lack of evidence for his existence can be interpreted equally as evidence of his competence.
"Slartibartfast: Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I think that the chances of finding out what's actually going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say, "Hang the sense of it," and keep yourself busy. I'd much rather be happy than right any day.
Arthur Dent: And are you?
Slartibartfast: Ah, no.
[laughs, snorts]
Slartibartfast: Well, that's where it all falls down, of course. "
You'll believe whatever you want to believe. What makes you a more capable (of surviving) human being, is if what you believe can be used to accurately predict the future. That's where the whole God thing falls down IMO  God explains what has happened, and let's you sleep at night (fine and dandy), but it doesn't exactly help you predict anything (like weather, nature, people etc.)
Bob Ross used to say "If it makes you happy, and it doesn't hurt anybody, then it's right." I personally like to take that stance on all religion/spiritual beliefs.
PS: Yeah, that was my random 2 cents :X
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so i watched the vids
and all i can say is that he certainly has indepth point of views on many things...
but he who talk the talk does not exactly walk the walk
perhaps his childhood affected his way through the academic field....
anyway interesting nonetheless
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The iq test is not able to measure intelligence because intelligence cannot be measured in a linear manner; but that's obvious and well-known, so no point in talking about that. He works as a bouncer in a bar, completed an iq test in a magazine, and has been called the "smartest man in America." From watching the videos, all he does is spin random nonsense (tainted with intelligent design theories) around, pretending that he is "intelligent".
This is the most ridiculous and boring thing I have seen in a while.
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