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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 19 2008 02:44 GMT
#1
So I was watching 1 vs 100 on nbc and i saw next week they are gonna have this guy in there.
His name is Chris Langan and he's IQ is between 190-210, I was interested and did some research and found this videos about him.
He did have some interesting points but some others i dont agree with. What you guys think?



zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
January 19 2008 03:03 GMT
#2
Having a bigger head doesn't mean being smarter, look at elephants, whales, and other big headed creatures versus monkeys and ravens, who are clearly more intelligent.
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A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
January 19 2008 03:09 GMT
#3
He seems more bluster than actual intelligence. Maybe he's got a super fast computer, but all he's got in there is minesweeper.
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Capulet
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada686 Posts
January 19 2008 03:15 GMT
#4
On January 19 2008 12:09 A3iL3r0n wrote:
He seems more bluster than actual intelligence. Maybe he's got a super fast computer, but all he's got in there is minesweeper.


Beautiful metaphor for this case. The guy needs to install Starcraft.

If he had been able to continue his education, he probably could have pursued Hawking's or Einstein's work.
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Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
January 19 2008 03:21 GMT
#5
holy shit, hearing him speak makes me want to kill him.
pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
January 19 2008 03:23 GMT
#6
Doesn't Terence Tao have an estimated IQ of 221? That makes him smarter than Chris Langan
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
January 19 2008 03:23 GMT
#7
These are the sort of people that really anger me, they claim to have superior intelligence and claim they have the power to change the world, yet they do nothing about it, yeah put me in charge and I'll make this world a better place, but while you get around to doing that, I'll be over here mixing concrete.
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5500 Posts
January 19 2008 03:24 GMT
#8
People like this never seem smart enough to realise they're conceited.
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Eskii
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada544 Posts
January 19 2008 03:24 GMT
#9
I actually agree with him on everything, funny... My Iq is only 140
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
January 19 2008 03:24 GMT
#10
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MenzieK
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States123 Posts
January 19 2008 03:26 GMT
#11
Jesus, IQ is not actual indicator of intelligence we have had so many discussions through this already, the op must be an idiot or very ignorant.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 19 2008 03:27 GMT
#12
the eugenics part was completely crazy, reminded me of Hitler or something
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
January 19 2008 03:30 GMT
#13
Geniuses don't work in bars as bouncers.


A Donald Trump type tycoon businessman with 110-130 IQ is more of a genius than someone working in a bar with 200 IQ.
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Eskii
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada544 Posts
January 19 2008 03:30 GMT
#14
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 19 2008 03:35 GMT
#15
On January 19 2008 12:30 Tien wrote:
Geniuses don't work in bars as bouncers.


A Donald Trump type tycoon businessman with 110-130 IQ is more of a genius than someone working in a bar with 200 IQ.

i think he addressed that part already, he said he doesn't want to do it. but he does it for economic reasons
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
January 19 2008 03:35 GMT
#16
Great watch. Some of the things he said in the later parts of the video kinda scared me. Other than that, I'm rather lost for words.
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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
January 19 2008 03:35 GMT
#17
If his IQ really is that high, than this is more evidence that IQ is meaningless.
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 19 2008 03:36 GMT
#18
I expected bulging veins and penetrating eyes. Instead I got the kind of guy I'd expect at my door to fix the cable. FUCK
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 03:41:50
January 19 2008 03:36 GMT
#19
On January 19 2008 12:03 zdd wrote:
Having a bigger head doesn't mean being smarter, look at elephants, whales, and other big headed creatures versus monkeys and ravens, who are clearly more intelligent.

He was referring to brain size, which often equates to head size

He's brilliant and I agree with his understanding of intelligence, but his gloomy outlook is justifiable when you consider his personal background. I would, however, expect him to realize that his upbringing and dealings in education have affected his view point and he should make light of that rather than being so matter of fact about things.

I disagreed with a lot of what he said, especially regarding a lack of intelligent people in high offices and he really has no credibility when it comes to those assertions because he's a distant outsider. I also wonder why he hasn't done more than CTMU and criticizes academia for "using up all the money for research" when we've got DND nerds building nuclear reactors in their parents' basement.

His Wikipedia page is pretty interesting.

In conjunction with his ideas, Langan has claimed that "you can prove the existence of God, the soul and an afterlife, using mathematics."

Asked about creationism, Langan has said:

"I believe in the theory of evolution, but I believe as well in the allegorical truth of creation theory. In other words, I believe that evolution, including the principle of natural selection, is one of the tools used by God to create mankind. Mankind is then a participant in the creation of the universe itself, so that we have a closed loop. I believe that there is a level on which science and religious metaphor are mutually compatible."[14]

Langan has said he does not belong to any religious denomination, explaining that he "can't afford to let [his] logical approach to theology be prejudiced by religious dogma."[14] He calls himself "a respecter of all faiths, among peoples everywhere."


The last line is a bit phony to me. I also think it's a load of crap when he says he thinks intelligent people are equally as important/good as regular people, but they have more responsibility.

EDIT: I don't think he ever says IQ=intelligence. He calls it something like the ability to understand and interconnect ideas.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 03:38:17
January 19 2008 03:37 GMT
#20
I watched the whole thing and was actually pretty disappointed. I thought he was actually going to display his intelligence and speak on something.

Instead he babbled on for one of the most pretentious and narcissistic speeches I have ever heard. There's a reason no one knows who he is, and why he's contributed nothing to science or anything else productive.

From his wiki article:
"Langan is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID),[20] a professional society which promotes intelligent design,[21] and has published a paper on his CTMU in the society's online journal Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design in 2002.[22] Later that year, he presented a lecture on his CTMU at ISCID's Research and Progress in Intelligent Design (RAPID) conference.[23] In 2004, Langan contributed a chapter to Uncommon Dissent, an essay collection of works that question Darwinian evolution edited by ISCID cofounder and leading intelligent design proponent William Dembski.[24]"

That's all I needed to read to know this guy is a douche.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 19 2008 03:37 GMT
#21
On January 19 2008 12:03 zdd wrote:
Having a bigger head doesn't mean being smarter, look at elephants, whales, and other big headed creatures versus monkeys and ravens, who are clearly more intelligent.


I found his centipede example to be particularly amusing. Apparently, centipedes don't exhibit much intelligence because of their head size, and it has nothing to do with their incredibly simple nervous system.
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liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
January 19 2008 03:39 GMT
#22
"no better or no worse than anyone else but they have more responsibility"

For a high iq, this man needs to spend more time thinking of better social theories. People with high iq's aren't special since one can train their IQ, it doesn't really say much about a persons intelligence it's a mere false.
read more, study harder that's how you get smarter & how you can develop a high IQ. If you want to be able to see patterns in numbers play around with them, more neuron paths will grow in your brain and you'll be able to see these patterns.
To become intelligent by my definition, is to spend more time thinking, philosphising about a theory of 'something'. By the way Langan speaks in the video its quite clear that he spent some time about it, but he hasn't really thought about the ethics of breeding a perfect genome society, and there were many more things he pointed out about his 'version' of society.

Last time i did a proper pen/paper IQ test was in primary school it was 144 at that time now I'd be lucky to beat 120. Why? because my numeracy skills died after i was given a calculator, only thing i really love doing are the image/spacial problems, vocabulary.. haha after engineering at uni and barely any side-reading that all vanished.



and terrance tao tutored a subject at my uni! :D too bad he left a year before i came in >_<

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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
January 19 2008 03:41 GMT
#23
Well he's definitely got a big head.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 19 2008 03:42 GMT
#24
intelligence without a foundation is idle.

I have a high IQ, but Im not a genius. If I ever want to use intelligence, I will need to study and learn to do that.

Unfortunately, while I believe this person has ability, he doesnt have the necessary foundation to use it.
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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
January 19 2008 03:42 GMT
#25
What a dumbass.
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SilenTLurker
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States250 Posts
January 19 2008 03:43 GMT
#26
"I'm closer to absolute truth than any man has been before me." ..etc

Thanks for the laugh.
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 03:49:44
January 19 2008 03:46 GMT
#27
This guy does have an off the chart IQ. And we can't imagine how it would be to experience the world with such an IQ.

But at the same time this guy is a proponent of Intelligent Design, an idea with no merit. And he is also a human. But at the same time he also supports the theory of evolution.

Also, I think many people here are taking his ideas too shallow or misunderstanding him.

And it's true that EQ shows a correlation between relative brain size and intelligence. It's just a very odd one with a lot of exceptions.

Just having a high IQ doesn't make you understand things. It just makes you understand things easier or faster.

On January 19 2008 12:27 ilj.psa wrote:
the eugenics part was completely crazy, reminded me of Hitler or something


It will safe suffering in the end. Especially getting rid of genetic diseases.

It's also true that we all can't claim the right to have as many children as we want. Think about it. If we all did that we would be screwed over. Well, we are getting screwed over by that right now.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 03:48:02
January 19 2008 03:47 GMT
#28
On January 19 2008 12:30 Eskii wrote:
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...

It's a slippery slope. The same justification for breeding "genetically healthy" people can be applied for breeding smarter and more beautiful people; all three are for the purpose of making human beings more "successful."
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 19 2008 03:52 GMT
#29
You have to understand that he is human, and knowing you are smarter than everyone else tends to lead to this sort of arrogance/defensiveness.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 19 2008 03:55 GMT
#30
On January 19 2008 12:42 skindzer wrote:
What a dumbass.

???? at least elaborate
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 03:58 GMT
#31
On January 19 2008 12:43 SilenTLurker wrote:
"I'm closer to absolute truth than any man has been before me." ..etc

Thanks for the laugh.

It might be true, but it probably just means he's 1/100000000000...th of the way there.
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Eskii
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada544 Posts
January 19 2008 04:01 GMT
#32
On January 19 2008 12:47 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 12:30 Eskii wrote:
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...

It's a slippery slope. The same justification for breeding "genetically healthy" people can be applied for breeding smarter and more beautiful people; all three are for the purpose of making human beings more "successful."



Ah but I dont believe that intelligence breeds intelligence, I know people that have grown up in seperate houses that are brothers and never interacted, one is extremely smart and the other is a twit. I believe its a matter of environment, although you can have negative genetic traits which will influence it in a negative way.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 19 2008 04:05 GMT
#33
On January 19 2008 13:01 Eskii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 12:47 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:30 Eskii wrote:
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...

It's a slippery slope. The same justification for breeding "genetically healthy" people can be applied for breeding smarter and more beautiful people; all three are for the purpose of making human beings more "successful."



Ah but I dont believe that intelligence breeds intelligence, I know people that have grown up in seperate houses that are brothers and never interacted, one is extremely smart and the other is a twit. I believe its a matter of environment, although you can have negative genetic traits which will influence it in a negative way.


its definitely both. There is some inherent talent along with environment
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MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 04:07:17
January 19 2008 04:07 GMT
#34
I would like to see the unedited verision tho cause this one seems chopped up and edited.

But anyone who thinks this guy is dumb is automaticly an idiot themselves
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 04:07 GMT
#35
On January 19 2008 13:01 Eskii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 12:47 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:30 Eskii wrote:
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...

It's a slippery slope. The same justification for breeding "genetically healthy" people can be applied for breeding smarter and more beautiful people; all three are for the purpose of making human beings more "successful."



Ah but I dont believe that intelligence breeds intelligence, I know people that have grown up in seperate houses that are brothers and never interacted, one is extremely smart and the other is a twit. I believe its a matter of environment, although you can have negative genetic traits which will influence it in a negative way.

Maybe so, but assuming there is some way to breed intelligence, eventually people will try and take advantage of it and will start customizing their children. I think we're opening up a brand new can of worms though and should call it quits. :x
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 19 2008 04:08 GMT
#36
it got boring.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
January 19 2008 04:10 GMT
#37
Holy crap, I want to gouge his eyes out with a soldering iron.

'I wrote a new theory about computing that is amazingly complex, but then a fight broke out and I lost it, and have no idea what it is that I actually wrote.'

What a douche.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 19 2008 04:12 GMT
#38
On January 19 2008 13:07 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 13:01 Eskii wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:47 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:30 Eskii wrote:
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...

It's a slippery slope. The same justification for breeding "genetically healthy" people can be applied for breeding smarter and more beautiful people; all three are for the purpose of making human beings more "successful."



Ah but I dont believe that intelligence breeds intelligence, I know people that have grown up in seperate houses that are brothers and never interacted, one is extremely smart and the other is a twit. I believe its a matter of environment, although you can have negative genetic traits which will influence it in a negative way.

Maybe so, but assuming there is some way to breed intelligence, eventually people will try and take advantage of it and will start customizing their children. I think we're opening up a brand new can of worms though and should call it quits. :x


Why? Wouldnt you have liked to be born more intelligent?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
January 19 2008 04:16 GMT
#39
On January 19 2008 13:12 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 13:07 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 13:01 Eskii wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:47 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:30 Eskii wrote:
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...

It's a slippery slope. The same justification for breeding "genetically healthy" people can be applied for breeding smarter and more beautiful people; all three are for the purpose of making human beings more "successful."



Ah but I dont believe that intelligence breeds intelligence, I know people that have grown up in seperate houses that are brothers and never interacted, one is extremely smart and the other is a twit. I believe its a matter of environment, although you can have negative genetic traits which will influence it in a negative way.

Maybe so, but assuming there is some way to breed intelligence, eventually people will try and take advantage of it and will start customizing their children. I think we're opening up a brand new can of worms though and should call it quits. :x


Why? Wouldnt you have liked to be born more intelligent?

GATTACA...nuff said.
MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 04:17:55
January 19 2008 04:17 GMT
#40
On January 19 2008 13:10 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Holy crap, I want to gouge his eyes out with a soldering iron.

'I wrote a new theory about computing that is amazingly complex, but then a fight broke out and I lost it, and have no idea what it is that I actually wrote.'

What a douche.


I can relate to the process as I myself can think in highly abstract threedimensional symbols that mean things that are more complex than what words can describe, and these appear at random and has enormous amounts of information connected to eachother. And If concentration is broken I cannot recall the exact combination and therefor the general idea is broken and cannot be retrieved.

I believe that any highly intelligent person would relate to what he said to a degree or another, but the idea they lost might not have been as complex. But the process he speaks of is of course real, yet to someone without the ability it might seem arrogant and completely fuckheadish, but it's not.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 04:18:57
January 19 2008 04:17 GMT
#41
On January 19 2008 13:12 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 13:07 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 13:01 Eskii wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:47 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:30 Eskii wrote:
Is Eugenics really that crazy? And hes NOT talking about breeding smarter or better looking people, hes talking about taking out the genetic problems such as downs syndrome etc...

It's a slippery slope. The same justification for breeding "genetically healthy" people can be applied for breeding smarter and more beautiful people; all three are for the purpose of making human beings more "successful."



Ah but I dont believe that intelligence breeds intelligence, I know people that have grown up in seperate houses that are brothers and never interacted, one is extremely smart and the other is a twit. I believe its a matter of environment, although you can have negative genetic traits which will influence it in a negative way.

Maybe so, but assuming there is some way to breed intelligence, eventually people will try and take advantage of it and will start customizing their children. I think we're opening up a brand new can of worms though and should call it quits. :x


Why? Wouldnt you have liked to be born more intelligent?

I haven't come to a moral conclusion on the whole idea yet. I was just saying it would happen.


I believe that any highly intelligent person would relate to what he said to a degree or another, but the idea they lost might not have been as complex. But the process he speaks of is of course real, yet to someone without the ability it might seem arrogant and completely fuckheadish, but it's not.
Now everyone in here is going to claim to understand what he's talking about. :x
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geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
January 19 2008 04:19 GMT
#42
couldn't get through the first video. he isn't a very interesting person.
verysadday
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada1 Post
January 19 2008 04:20 GMT
#43
rofl @ GATTACA gosu movie
i think this guy will lose horribly on 1 vs 100 ^_^
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 04:23:08
January 19 2008 04:22 GMT
#44
On January 19 2008 13:17 MarklarMarklar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 13:10 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Holy crap, I want to gouge his eyes out with a soldering iron.

'I wrote a new theory about computing that is amazingly complex, but then a fight broke out and I lost it, and have no idea what it is that I actually wrote.'

What a douche.


I can relate to the process as I myself can think in highly abstract threedimensional symbols that mean things that are more complex than what words can describe, and these appear at random and has enormous amounts of information connected to eachother. And If concentration is broken I cannot recall the exact combination and therefor the general idea is broken and cannot be retrieved.

I believe that any highly intelligent person would relate to what he said to a degree or another, but the idea they lost might not have been as complex. But the process he speaks of is of course real, yet to someone without the ability it might seem arrogant and completely fuckheadish, but it's not.

So basically, I'm too stupid to understand, and I should just believe him unquestioningly, and hope that one day I can wrap my infantile mind around his beautiful theories. Thanks, o wise one, for showing me the light.

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I'd apologize for the crudeness of this reply, but you basically called me a dumbass.
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
January 19 2008 04:25 GMT
#45
I think intelligence is not about solving 300 problems on some test, but rather about solving one problem 300 different ways
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
January 19 2008 04:33 GMT
#46
On January 19 2008 13:25 zdd wrote:
I think intelligence is not about solving 300 problems on some test, but rather about solving one problem 300 different ways

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drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
January 19 2008 04:38 GMT
#47
On January 19 2008 13:33 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 13:25 zdd wrote:
I think intelligence is not about solving 300 problems on some test, but rather about solving one problem 300 different ways

How to get laid?


that's one way to use it
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Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 04:53:39
January 19 2008 04:53 GMT
#48
I thought his view was very interesting. He is clearly extremely intelligent.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
January 19 2008 05:06 GMT
#49
hahaha
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 19 2008 05:11 GMT
#50
This is way too funny, that guy is a tool.


oh and IQ is on par with penis size.
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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 19 2008 05:11 GMT
#51
dude, finding someone with an IQ 200+ is like finding a man with a 12 inch penis. no one cares!

its what they do that counts. George W Bush is the US President and hes an idiot!!
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MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
January 19 2008 05:16 GMT
#52
i guess you dudes would find this smart guy more fun

hello there
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 19 2008 05:27 GMT
#53
has this man contributed anything to the world besides a world record in IQ, what an uppity bitch.
Holy shit with and IQ of 200 one would at least expect something from this man. Seriously who the fuck says that Intelligence = IQ? and the size matters thing got me laughing.

Plus a genius isn't born out of thin air for god's sake. Geniuses are raised in a group of like minded individuals. This man has been a loner for most of his life and thinks he can accomplish miraculous equations in his head, what a waste of IQ.
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samso..
Profile Joined July 2007
United States53 Posts
January 19 2008 05:34 GMT
#54
Hello, fellow TeamLiquidians. I've only posted a few times here, but I've been lurking the boards for quite a while But this thread caught my attention, so I figured I could share my thoughts:

I've read quite a few of Langan's technical articles, and have spent the last several months doing a whole lot of study and research into his theories and their mathematical and philosophical foundations. I can definitely attest to the fact that he shows incredible insight into many of the most plaguing problems in philosophy and mathematics.

He definitely seems to be pretentious guy though; So I'm not standing up for him in that respect. But I feel obligated to share my perspective and help give Langan the credit he deserves. The guy really is cool.

As for his views on Intelligent Design, I would urge anyone who's argued against Langan's views here to read his articles on ID where he specifically qualifies his position and makes clear exactly what he thinks about it. He is definitely not a typical ID'er. His ideas on ID are very sophisticated and carefully refined in my opinion (and this is coming from me, a former Christian-theist-and-ID'er-turned-atheist/agnostic).

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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 19 2008 05:38 GMT
#55
he believs in the god of the gaps, what is more to say?


the universe exist blah blah so who created the universe?

haha LOL I g0t j00 there huh?

therefore god exist.
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
January 19 2008 05:40 GMT
#56
lol at some of the people in this topic. You definitely proved one of the the points he made which I had some doubts about.
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 19 2008 05:45 GMT
#57
On January 19 2008 14:40 BlackStar wrote:
lol at some of the people in this topic. You definitely proved one of the the points he made which I had some doubts about.


that most people are jealous of his humongous IQ?

well he should be jealous of my 18 inch penis too...
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20010 Posts
January 19 2008 05:52 GMT
#58
"im working in a bar because i need money"
oh please if you have a fucking IQ of 200 you can find a higher paying job where you can do a shitload more.
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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
January 19 2008 06:03 GMT
#59
Yea, a mind is worth of nothing if its an idle mind
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 06:06:41
January 19 2008 06:03 GMT
#60
I'm incompetent.

Nothing to see here.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 06:05:40
January 19 2008 06:04 GMT
#61
Some people in this thread shouldn't be making such comments on this guy based just on a youtube video and a wikipedia article :/ Do a bit more reading of the stuff hes done before slamming him down so hard.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
January 19 2008 06:06 GMT
#62
On January 19 2008 14:34 samso.. wrote:
Hello, fellow TeamLiquidians. I've only posted a few times here, but I've been lurking the boards for quite a while But this thread caught my attention, so I figured I could share my thoughts:

I've read quite a few of Langan's technical articles, and have spent the last several months doing a whole lot of study and research into his theories and their mathematical and philosophical foundations. I can definitely attest to the fact that he shows incredible insight into many of the most plaguing problems in philosophy and mathematics.

He definitely seems to be pretentious guy though; So I'm not standing up for him in that respect. But I feel obligated to share my perspective and help give Langan the credit he deserves. The guy really is cool.

As for his views on Intelligent Design, I would urge anyone who's argued against Langan's views here to read his articles on ID where he specifically qualifies his position and makes clear exactly what he thinks about it. He is definitely not a typical ID'er. His ideas on ID are very sophisticated and carefully refined in my opinion (and this is coming from me, a former Christian-theist-and-ID'er-turned-atheist/agnostic).




Good post.


I am very monetarily biased.
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BlackSphinx
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada317 Posts
January 19 2008 06:06 GMT
#63
The guy sure is bright, but isn't using his intelligence right.

I'll take the Edward Witten kind of genius any day.
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 06:14 GMT
#64
People with really high IQs usually seem to be friendless do-nothings. When you hear about a great man with a super-high IQ, it always seems to be an "IQ estimate" based on their accomplishments, rather than an actual tested score.

Almost as if, rather than determining intelligence through the abstract puzzles they use, the tests determine preference for and focus on abstract puzzles over practical matters or social interaction.

Hmm... but that couldn't be, could it?
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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 06:14 GMT
#65
On January 19 2008 15:04 skyglow1 wrote:
Some people in this thread shouldn't be making such comments on this guy based just on a youtube video and a wikipedia article :/ Do a bit more reading of the stuff hes done before slamming him down so hard.

And what stuff is that?
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
January 19 2008 06:16 GMT
#66
On January 19 2008 15:06 BlackSphinx wrote:
I'll take the Edward Witten kind of genius any day.


Until string theory turns out to be a waste of time?

Well, at least he's famous.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 19 2008 06:16 GMT
#67
On January 19 2008 14:52 decafchicken wrote:
"im working in a bar because i need money"
oh please if you have a fucking IQ of 200 you can find a higher paying job where you can do a shitload more.

inteligence does not imply economic sucess nor fame nor power
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 06:21:25
January 19 2008 06:19 GMT
#68
On January 19 2008 14:38 Rev0lution wrote:
he believs in the god of the gaps, what is more to say?


the universe exist blah blah so who created the universe?

haha LOL I g0t j00 there huh?

therefore god exist.

Do you even read what he said on the videos or did any research WHATSOEVER?
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
January 19 2008 06:25 GMT
#69
Herodotus said: "This is the bitterest pain among men, to have much knowledge but no power."
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 06:40 GMT
#70
On January 19 2008 15:16 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 14:52 decafchicken wrote:
"im working in a bar because i need money"
oh please if you have a fucking IQ of 200 you can find a higher paying job where you can do a shitload more.

inteligence does not imply economic sucess nor fame nor power

Why doesn't it, for you?

Intelligence comes from the Latin for "choosing between". It is the capacity of rational discrimination, the ability to think clearly and make good choices.

He whines and grumbles about having to work as a bouncer. Does that sound like somebody who makes good choices?

There's a fine line between the power of rationality, and the power of rationalization. One aids, one hinders. One is intelligence, one is a self-indulgent love of artificial consistency.

To solve puzzles, one only needs the power to find consistency. To solve problems, one needs the power to find truth.

I hereby move that the Intelligence Quotient be renamed the Abstraction Quotient. There are too god damned many high-IQ failures at life for what they have to deserve to be called "intelligence."

(This is the Committee of Naming Everything, right?)
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 19 2008 06:41 GMT
#71
This guy may be incredibly intelligent, but he's far less knowledgeable than he thinks he is.
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MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
January 19 2008 06:52 GMT
#72
On January 19 2008 15:40 Funchucks wrote:
Intelligence comes from the Latin for "choosing between". It is the capacity of rational discrimination, the ability to think clearly and make good choices.


This guy made it clear however that he could perform all his neccessary mental work doing this specific job, so is his job really relevant?
hello there
MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
January 19 2008 06:54 GMT
#73
On January 19 2008 15:41 Mindcrime wrote:
This guy may be incredibly intelligent, but he's far less knowledgeable than he thinks he is.


this little short piece didnt even scratch the surface of his knowledge, i'd rather see him go insanely detailed about some specific thing instead of just messing around like he did in this vid.
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
January 19 2008 06:56 GMT
#74
Its a shame that guy was abused as a child. Its seems clear how that's shaped his ideology especially in regards to authority. All that intellect and his biggest dream for himself and mankind is to create a rigid caste system where the intelligent (meaning, himself) control the fate of the "dunces" even more than they already do, and in fact institute a compulsory breeding program to remove the "dunces" from the genepool. He doesn't want to challenge or displace the authority that made his youth a hell, he wants to expand its scope and claim control over it. He even holds the belief that freedom should not be a right, but an earned privilege. No wonder he's a bouncer.

His ideas on how the world should be run are not new, and in many respects it's how the world is currently run. There is a popular belief among western intelligentsia and policy planners that the average man is an idiot who, once given proper democratic control over his own life, would destroy himself and his society as well.

"...the common interests very largely elude public opinion [...] and can be managed only by a specialized class" --Walter Lippmann, 1921.

This view, I think, is ridiculous and is merely a rationalization of power protecting itself. While it is true that your average man won't be tinkering around with unification theory, its also true that the vast majority of the world's most dangerous problems can be solved without any special technical thought.

What are the current threats to the species?

Were that the US had a functioning democracy, the "dunce" filled masses would've voted to be part of the Kyoto Protocol, which would help to mitigate global warming.

They'd also have voted to dismantle much of the Pentagon system, as well as most of the US' massive nuclear arsenal, which would reduce the threat of global nuclear war significantly, and would make blatant militarism much less common-- while we may've still invaded Iraq, we'd also have left after the Iraqis had elected their new government. The US masses would overwhelmingly believe we should work within the confines of international law, which would further limit US militarism and would probably have prevented the invasion of Iraq altogether. Etc etc.

To whatever extent pollution is a third threat to the species, by and large the most threatening pollution is created through industrial waste. Given the opportunity to vote on environmental regulations, the common man would, without a doubt, severely hamper industry's ability to pollute without consequence. If not banning the pollution outright, they would ask industry to shoulder the responsibility (and cost) for cleanup in the very least, which would have much the same effect as an outright ban.

The average person won't perform a research project to discover that the ozone layer is failing or pursue the causes, that's true, but once told the causes and the potential fallout, they will gladly work to correct the problem, if given the opportunity. Democracy can handle the problem, we just need more of it.
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 19 2008 06:58 GMT
#75
On January 19 2008 15:14 Funchucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 15:04 skyglow1 wrote:
Some people in this thread shouldn't be making such comments on this guy based just on a youtube video and a wikipedia article :/ Do a bit more reading of the stuff hes done before slamming him down so hard.

And what stuff is that?


Samso's post for instance. He's obviously done some work, so you could doa bit of research on what he's done and stuff.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 07:13:49
January 19 2008 07:07 GMT
#76
I'm not British, but I think the second half of your post is utter rubbish. Pure democracy is simply disastrous. Unless you and Superman are going to fly around the globe to move time backwards, because no regular person has the time to make informed political decisions and carry on a real job/family. Seriously, that was one of the worst suggestions I've ever seen.

The average person won't perform a research project to discover that the ozone layer is failing or pursue the causes, that's true, but once told the causes and the potential fallout, they will gladly work to correct the problem, if given the opportunity.

Oh, and whose job is it to inform everyone about the causes, fallout, likelihood, etc.? Because there's probably at least a hundred million people who would like to give you their unique opinion and 1) we don't know who is correct 2) being correct isn't enough to convince people. Not to mention you've just created a hierarchy by relying on intellectuals to supply data (that will surely be manipulated) for the masses, thus destroying your perfect democracy where everyone is equal.

There's a lot of problems with politics in the US, but the representative republic format is the least of them.
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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 07:19 GMT
#77
On January 19 2008 15:58 skyglow1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 15:14 Funchucks wrote:
On January 19 2008 15:04 skyglow1 wrote:
Some people in this thread shouldn't be making such comments on this guy based just on a youtube video and a wikipedia article :/ Do a bit more reading of the stuff hes done before slamming him down so hard.

And what stuff is that?


Samso's post for instance. He's obviously done some work, so you could doa bit of research on what he's done and stuff.

Why should I do research on a smug, ridiculous bouncer who believes in intelligent design?

samso didn't post any of his stuff, he just expressed admiration. You'll notice he didn't give so much as a quote. Apparently, he didn't find a single original idea worth repeating. Apparently, you didn't either.

A: "Hey, this random nobody is incredibly smart and important!"
B: "Bullshit! He's a random nobody!"
A: "Hey, you can't just make a judgement like that. Go and spend days or weeks seeking out and reading all of his stuff! Then if it turns out you were right, you wasted all that time, you can come back and tell me I'm wrong. Don't expect any help from me! You have to make all of the investment in disproving my outlandish claim, or else acknowledge my point. Don't expect any more from me, I already asserted my viewpoint to be correct! Get to it!"
B: "LOL STFU"

Ergo: LOL STFU
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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 07:23 GMT
#78
On January 19 2008 16:07 Jibba wrote:
There's a lot of problems with politics in the US, but the representative republic format is the least of them.

Don't worry! They'll all be solved by unilateral disarmament and the Kyoto Protocol!
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 07:23 GMT
#79
I am curious to see how he uses mathematics to support ID. The conventional method is pretty easily refuted.
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 07:27:39
January 19 2008 07:24 GMT
#80
Jibba: Democracy has nothing to do with everyone being equal and I didn't say it did. You have a reading comprehension problem as well as some difficulty with the basic concepts involved. Democracy gives everyone an equal voice in elections. That is vastly different from everyone's opinions being considered as expert, or everyone getting paid the same salary or whatever other stupid notion you're trying to attribute to me. Certified scientists can still do their job to inform the public... they don't have to rule the world through an authoritarian power system to effect public knowledge and opinion as Chris Langan seems to suggest.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 07:36:56
January 19 2008 07:32 GMT
#81
Certified scientists disagree all the time. Which one should a layman believe? And again, you're making the scientist more important. Why not just put them in charge in the first place?

Your idea completely oversimplifies the way politics work. There's about a million competing factors for every decision, most of which are unknown to the public so we just assume "so and so" politician hates the environment. The reality is "so and so" politician has their morals, the well-being and prosperity of their constituency, local, national and global concerns to consider and there is no correct answer. If Mr. so and so did a shitty job, then you remove them from office. Unfortunately, only about 30% of the general public, those who would CARRY our new democracy, have any interest in voting.

Bureaucracies are designed to be inefficient to provide stability. "Pure" democracies are much, much less efficient and are notoriously unstable.

Honestly, why would you choose a distracted idiot to make a decision for you when there's a devoted smart person who could make it?
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A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
January 19 2008 07:42 GMT
#82
What a worthless asshole. Again, he is not intelligent in a true intellectual way. You can tell in the way he speaks. What he does have, is the capacity for highly efficient formal problem solving and that's it. As evidenced by his perpetual employment as a bouncer.
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NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
January 19 2008 07:43 GMT
#83
More like world best IQ test taker. Just as being the world's best puzzle solver, poker player, starcraft player, scrabble player, etc, doesn't mean you overall smartest anything. Just like idiot savants are great at one thing but retarded at most other things. If he actually believes his own press, it's proof.

The great minds that make history require some smarts, but most importantly it requires a single minded focus and dedication for a lifetime. Without focus, all that smarts are divided and dissipated, and result in good, perhaps even great results in multiple fields, but won't be world changing.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 07:44 GMT
#84
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 19 2008 07:45 GMT
#85
On January 19 2008 16:19 Funchucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 15:58 skyglow1 wrote:
On January 19 2008 15:14 Funchucks wrote:
On January 19 2008 15:04 skyglow1 wrote:
Some people in this thread shouldn't be making such comments on this guy based just on a youtube video and a wikipedia article :/ Do a bit more reading of the stuff hes done before slamming him down so hard.

And what stuff is that?


Samso's post for instance. He's obviously done some work, so you could doa bit of research on what he's done and stuff.

Why should I do research on a smug, ridiculous bouncer who believes in intelligent design?

samso didn't post any of his stuff, he just expressed admiration. You'll notice he didn't give so much as a quote. Apparently, he didn't find a single original idea worth repeating. Apparently, you didn't either.

A: "Hey, this random nobody is incredibly smart and important!"
B: "Bullshit! He's a random nobody!"
A: "Hey, you can't just make a judgement like that. Go and spend days or weeks seeking out and reading all of his stuff! Then if it turns out you were right, you wasted all that time, you can come back and tell me I'm wrong. Don't expect any help from me! You have to make all of the investment in disproving my outlandish claim, or else acknowledge my point. Don't expect any more from me, I already asserted my viewpoint to be correct! Get to it!"
B: "LOL STFU"

Ergo: LOL STFU


Wow way to overreact and stuff words into my mouth. I wasn;t even the one claiming he was incredibly smart or important. Whatever I won't bother to continue replying.
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 08:05 GMT
#86
On January 19 2008 16:45 skyglow1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 16:19 Funchucks wrote:
On January 19 2008 15:58 skyglow1 wrote:
On January 19 2008 15:14 Funchucks wrote:
On January 19 2008 15:04 skyglow1 wrote:
Some people in this thread shouldn't be making such comments on this guy based just on a youtube video and a wikipedia article :/ Do a bit more reading of the stuff hes done before slamming him down so hard.

And what stuff is that?


Samso's post for instance. He's obviously done some work, so you could doa bit of research on what he's done and stuff.

Why should I do research on a smug, ridiculous bouncer who believes in intelligent design?

samso didn't post any of his stuff, he just expressed admiration. You'll notice he didn't give so much as a quote. Apparently, he didn't find a single original idea worth repeating. Apparently, you didn't either.

A: "Hey, this random nobody is incredibly smart and important!"
B: "Bullshit! He's a random nobody!"
A: "Hey, you can't just make a judgement like that. Go and spend days or weeks seeking out and reading all of his stuff! Then if it turns out you were right, you wasted all that time, you can come back and tell me I'm wrong. Don't expect any help from me! You have to make all of the investment in disproving my outlandish claim, or else acknowledge my point. Don't expect any more from me, I already asserted my viewpoint to be correct! Get to it!"
B: "LOL STFU"

Ergo: LOL STFU


Wow way to overreact and stuff words into my mouth. I wasn;t even the one claiming he was incredibly smart or important. Whatever I won't bother to continue replying.

No, you were just the one claiming that people who didn't invest a lot more time and effort looking into him (after already watching a half-hour show on him) shouldn't dismiss him as not worth looking into.
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
January 19 2008 08:14 GMT
#87
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!
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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
January 19 2008 08:19 GMT
#88
On January 19 2008 17:14 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!


you missed him?
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 08:23:21
January 19 2008 08:21 GMT
#89
On January 19 2008 17:14 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!

Hi? If its so obvious why did the op claim this man was the smartest man in the world because of his IQ when he clearly is not? I agree it should be pretty obvious. But apparently some people were unaware.
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 08:24:46
January 19 2008 08:21 GMT
#90
On January 19 2008 16:32 Jibba wrote:
Certified scientists disagree all the time. Which one should a layman believe?


The one that's most credible in their eyes. For a US citizen, you're incredibly frightened of democracy.

And again, you're making the scientist more important.


They're not more important, they serve a different purpose.

Why not just put them in charge in the first place?


Because I believe democracy is the best way for a society to be governed. If the vast majority of people think a prominent scientist is being a nutcase on a particular issue, they shouldn't have to organize a military coup or a series of bloody protests to refuse his "advice" on how to handle the problem.

Unfortunately, only about 30% of the general public, those who would CARRY our new democracy, have any interest in taking part in voting.


If you only count the voting age population, it's closer to 35-50% depending on the election. But its true that the US has poor turnout compared to other democracies (South American and Asian democracies continue to improve their voter turnout percentages, approaching 80+% in some countries). It's also true that US numbers are dropping as rumors of election fraud become more common.

I don't think this is terribly hard to explain. People don't tend to vote when the outcome is predetermined. When you're effectively limited to 2 choices, coke or pepsi, and you prefer mountain due, why should you vote?

I infer that you believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, people don't vote because the stupid masses don't give a damn what happens... I'd have to disagree. I think they don't vote because they aren't being asked the right questions. If its a matter of a lack of intellect, education and wealth, why are Asian and South American democracies so much more vocal than the US constituency? I argue its not a problem on the individual level, but a systemic problem. The biggest political choice US citizens are ever asked to make is which rich corporate-supported liar they think will win the election. The media doesn't even characterize elections in terms that illuminate issues or even values, their biggest question is "can this candidate win?" In such a muddied and superficial and disgustingly narrow political climate, how can you expect anyone, let alone the middle and lower classes (those that benefit the least from voting upon a corporate-bought candidate) to much care about the outcome?

"Pure" democracies are much, much less efficient and are notoriously unstable.


I don't think there are any historical examples of sufficient size you can point to in order to support this assertion, so I'll just assume you're talking out your ass and politely say you're wrong. The only democracies I can think of were either technologically insignificant and absorbed during european expansion and colonialism; or they were crushed militarily shortly after their creation (we're talking within months) to bring them back in line with the rest of the "civilized" world. Short and sweet: we don't know, and at least I don't think we should make any assumptions about it until we've had the opportunity to give it a try.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 08:26 GMT
#91
On January 19 2008 12:37 ManaBlue wrote:
I watched the whole thing and was actually pretty disappointed. I thought he was actually going to display his intelligence and speak on something.

Instead he babbled on for one of the most pretentious and narcissistic speeches I have ever heard. There's a reason no one knows who he is, and why he's contributed nothing to science or anything else productive.
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From his wiki article:
"Langan is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID),[20] a professional society which promotes intelligent design,[21] and has published a paper on his CTMU in the society's online journal Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design in 2002.[22] Later that year, he presented a lecture on his CTMU at ISCID's Research and Progress in Intelligent Design (RAPID) conference.[23] In 2004, Langan contributed a chapter to Uncommon Dissent, an essay collection of works that question Darwinian evolution edited by ISCID cofounder and leading intelligent design proponent William Dembski.[24]"

That's all I needed to read to know this guy is a douche.

My thoughts exactly.
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LazySCV
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
United States2942 Posts
January 19 2008 08:28 GMT
#92
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 08:46 GMT
#93
I'm a huge fan of representative democracy, not direct democracy.

I infer that you believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, people don't vote because the stupid masses don't give a damn what happens... I'd have to disagree. I think they don't vote because they aren't being asked the right questions. If its a matter of a lack of intellect, education and wealth, why are Asian and South American democracies so much more vocal than the US constituency? I argue its not a problem on the individual level, but a systemic problem.
Any systematic corruption problems the US has are magnified in SA and Asian democracies. We're not voting because people are lazy and they think there's more important things to do, or that others can pick up the slack.

They're not more important, they serve a different purpose.
No, they are more important. They're informing the public and swaying their decisions. Anyone voting would be doing so based on the knowledge someone else gave them, which really defeats the purpose of giving them a vote in the first place.

I'm through with discussing it. It fails on every level from logistics to even usefulness. James Madison put it nicely.

A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
January 19 2008 08:47 GMT
#94
On January 19 2008 17:28 LaZyScV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:14 lololol wrote:
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!

Hi? If its so obvious why did the op claim this man was the smartest man in the world because of his IQ when he clearly is not? I agree it should be pretty obvious. But apparently some people were unaware.


at 1:37 in the video, "the smartest man in the world."

I understood he was just using that opening as the thread title, not actually claiming/saying anything.


Yeah, I thought the same, he just used the catchphrase from the show and IMO it's pretty obvious you can't measure intelligence with a standartised test. Not to mention the test itself is made by people, which are supposedly less intelligent than the guy who took the test, how are they able to even remotely objectively test and measure intelligence above their own? They simply can't.
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lOvOlUNiMEDiA
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States643 Posts
January 19 2008 09:19 GMT
#95
Not one original idea in this entire video. Waste of time.
To say that I'm missing the point, you would first have to show that such work can have a point.
diehilde1
Profile Joined September 2006
Germany522 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 10:09:03
January 19 2008 10:08 GMT
#96
hm and here u see the perfect example what happens when really high intelligence isnt nurtured with education. i like how he talks about the ultra high iq people "taking responsibility" to solve problems others can't solve, yet he is the guiness record holder for highest IQ and does what to take responsibility? Yep, thats right, he helps to solve the most complex and pressing problems of mankind as a bouncer in a bar. Only until a fight breaks loose and he forgets all those great solutions of course. t.t
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
January 19 2008 10:09 GMT
#97
On January 19 2008 12:03 zdd wrote:
Having a bigger head doesn't mean being smarter, look at elephants, whales, and other big headed creatures versus monkeys and ravens, who are clearly more intelligent.
It's the brain size compared to the body size of the animal that determine how intelligent it is. Roughly said atleast.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 10:11 GMT
#98
On January 19 2008 17:28 LaZyScV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:14 lololol wrote:
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!

Hi? If its so obvious why did the op claim this man was the smartest man in the world because of his IQ when he clearly is not? I agree it should be pretty obvious. But apparently some people were unaware.


at 1:37 in the video, "the smartest man in the world."

I understood he was just using that opening as the thread title, not actually claiming/saying anything.

Well either way my point remains the same. Replace op with "makers of the video"
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 10:42:47
January 19 2008 10:39 GMT
#99
Madison's concern was for private property rights, not political control. He worried about tyranny returning, not liberty spreading.

Madison spent most of his time in congress limiting the power of the federal government to protect private property and increase state autonomy. Yes, Madison initially opposed the creation of the Bill of Rights, but he did so because he felt that naming some rights would imply that other rights did not exist. Eventually he succumbed to political pressure and accepted the task of integrating proposed rights into a bill he felt reasonably described his idea of democracy. The ninth amendment was a safeguard against government restricting the unnamed freedoms of its citizenry.

These are the actions of a man trying to protect and possibly increase the republicanism (or, as I like to think of it, the larval form of liberal democracy) that existed at the time, not of one that regretted his part in authoring the Constitution and hoped democracy would weaken and be overcome by the privileged and moneyed sectors of society.

Though Madison's authoring of the constitution suggests that he was in agreement with John Jay, who once wrote, "The people who own the country ought to run it (for their benefit alone)." He had a closer relationship with Thomas Jefferson, who said, "I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take the power from them, but to inform them by education."

Before the creation of the US republic, there'd only been sparse few documented examples of republics in history. One in Athens, which had only survived for a few decades. Another in England, called the Commonwealth which lasted from 1650-1660. There are few other experiments in republicanism (prior to the creation of the US) that I'm aware.

Still, despite the lack of successful precident, the US experiment was begun, and it worked spectacularly in blatant opposition to earlier concerns about republicanism that, "They have cast all the mysteries and secrets of government ... before the vulgar (like pearls before swine) ... They have made the people thereby so curious and so arrogant that they will never find humility enough to submit to a civil rule." --Clement Walker, 1661.

In the beginning, as laid out in the Constitution, only adult white male property owners could vote for their representatives. Today, any human being over the age of 18 can vote for representatives. That's progress towards democracy fought for through popular struggle. Why should the progress toward democracy stop there, though? IMO, the only things that need be safeguarded from democracy is property and individual rights. People should be allowed to maintain ownership over resources they own, and they should be protected from harm both in the form of physical violence and coercion and in the form of censorship.

What's required to protect those things? Limiting choice? Maybe a little, but not to the extent that currently exists. "Congress shall make no law" can just as easily be amended "the people shall make no law" and minorities would be protected from the "tyranny of the mob."

But go ahead and throw another quote at me.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
January 19 2008 10:47 GMT
#100
On January 19 2008 14:16 MarklarMarklar wrote:
i guess you dudes would find this smart guy more fun

That was immensely interesting.
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 10:51:12
January 19 2008 10:47 GMT
#101
On January 19 2008 19:09 Eatme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 12:03 zdd wrote:
Having a bigger head doesn't mean being smarter, look at elephants, whales, and other big headed creatures versus monkeys and ravens, who are clearly more intelligent.
It's the brain size compared to the body size of the animal that determine how intelligent it is. Roughly said atleast.

Brain size compared to the spine length is usually what they use.

Btw, mathematically the worlds smartest man should have roughly 260 IQ, and any IQ test going over ~140 is inaccurate since then you usually have a to small sample size to calc how many the testers are smarter than. With an IQ of 200 this guy is just smarter than ~99,9993% of the population.(In a puzzle solving way)
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 10:53 GMT
#102
On January 19 2008 19:11 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:28 LaZyScV wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:14 lololol wrote:
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!

Hi? If its so obvious why did the op claim this man was the smartest man in the world because of his IQ when he clearly is not? I agree it should be pretty obvious. But apparently some people were unaware.


at 1:37 in the video, "the smartest man in the world."

I understood he was just using that opening as the thread title, not actually claiming/saying anything.

Well either way my point remains the same. Replace op with "makers of the video"

I think the title was ironic.

Errol Morris specializes in documentaries of interesting people you can feel superior to, no matter who you are or how much you've fucked up your own life.

The theme of this show was, "Here's a guy who thinks he's the smartest man in the world. How many things do YOU see him getting obviously wrong or doing poorly?"
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 11:51:00
January 19 2008 11:00 GMT
#103
That makes a lot of sense. And to be fair this guy is not "dumb" at all, but I feel he has traits that severely limit, stunt, and in the the end, undermine his intelligence.

IQ tests also measure only a specific type of intelligence. I feel that being too strong in one area and too weak in others will, in the end, only hurt you ability to be "successful" in the normal sense of the word.

I'm sure this man may be an amazing analytical mathematician, but he would be an absolutely horrid lawyer. And if you cannot articulate and share your ideas with others in a logical verbal way, you are at a great disadvantage over someone who can. No matter how intelligent you may be.

I still feel Stephen Hawking is one(well really the most, that I've had significant amount of exposure to) of the most intelligent people I've ever read.
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Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
January 19 2008 11:39 GMT
#104
lol at that guy.

one of those smart but dumb people
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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
January 19 2008 11:56 GMT
#105
On January 19 2008 20:39 Jim wrote:
lol at that guy.

one of those smart but dumb people


i couldn't have said it better myself. it doesn't matter what your IQ is, and i hope whoever came into this thread believing in that bullshit would have had their disillusionment corrected by now.

even if he was that intelligent, who cares? what has he contributed to science, to humans, to society? this guy is a jokeeee
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 13:16:15
January 19 2008 13:14 GMT
#106
There are so many geniuses in the world, and they all have different areas of expertise. I cannot help but ridicule a guy, who thinks he is closer to absolute truth than any other human on earth after top scoring in an IQ test.

He may be a very smart guy, but a lot of people in the world are. Einstein was a genius of physics, but still David Hilbert said that he is a lousy mathematician compared to the people in Göttingen.

Do you know that a lot of the mathematics behind the general relativity was developed before Einstein´s work? Noone could relate it to physics though. Now were those mathematicians even more ingenious than Einstein? The answer is they were geniuses of a different kind.

ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
January 19 2008 13:24 GMT
#107
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 19 2008 13:31 GMT
#108
Haha, I guess the smartest man on earth is a total douche.
Muirhead
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States556 Posts
January 19 2008 14:25 GMT
#109
On January 19 2008 20:00 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:

I'm sure this man may be an amazing analytical mathematician, but he would be an absolutely horrid lawyer. And if you cannot articulate and share your ideas with others in a logical verbal way, you are at a great disadvantage over someone who can. No matter how intelligent you may be.



Don't insult mathematicians. Show me some "amazing analytical math" this guy has done.
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alias
Profile Joined March 2006
114 Posts
January 19 2008 14:26 GMT
#110
I think the world's smartest woman is still smarter than the world's smartest man.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant

Marilyn vos Savant has an IQ of 228.

I am not sure how recent this is though, so things might have changed, but she's still got an IQ higher than 200.

yup... I am abit bias.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
January 19 2008 14:50 GMT
#111
The Monty Hall problem is so cool.

I couldn't believe the answer when I saw it for the first time either.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 15:02:05
January 19 2008 14:59 GMT
#112
On January 19 2008 17:26 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
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On January 19 2008 12:37 ManaBlue wrote:
I watched the whole thing and was actually pretty disappointed. I thought he was actually going to display his intelligence and speak on something.

Instead he babbled on for one of the most pretentious and narcissistic speeches I have ever heard. There's a reason no one knows who he is, and why he's contributed nothing to science or anything else productive.

From his wiki article:
"Langan is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID),[20] a professional society which promotes intelligent design,[21] and has published a paper on his CTMU in the society's online journal Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design in 2002.[22] Later that year, he presented a lecture on his CTMU at ISCID's Research and Progress in Intelligent Design (RAPID) conference.[23] In 2004, Langan contributed a chapter to Uncommon Dissent, an essay collection of works that question Darwinian evolution edited by ISCID cofounder and leading intelligent design proponent William Dembski.[24]"

That's all I needed to read to know this guy is a douche.

My thoughts exactly.

None of us ManaBlue? I quoted you and said "my thoughts exactly" lol.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 15:03:28
January 19 2008 15:01 GMT
#113
On January 19 2008 23:25 Muirhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 20:00 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:

I'm sure this man may be an amazing analytical mathematician, but he would be an absolutely horrid lawyer. And if you cannot articulate and share your ideas with others in a logical verbal way, you are at a great disadvantage over someone who can. No matter how intelligent you may be.



Don't insult mathematicians. Show me some "amazing analytical math" this guy has done.

I should have clarified/picked my words more carefully. What I really meant was, he has the mental capacity to be an amazing analytical mathematician if properly educated because IQ is a strong measurement of such qualities.

Not that he currently his one. Of course he isn't, hes a bar tender with no accomplishments at all in mathematics

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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 15:06:40
January 19 2008 15:04 GMT
#114
On January 19 2008 23:26 alias wrote:
I think the world's smartest woman is still smarter than the world's smartest man.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant

Marilyn vos Savant has an IQ of 228.

I am not sure how recent this is though, so things might have changed, but she's still got an IQ higher than 200.

yup... I am abit bias.

Hmmm interesting. I'm guessing thats where all the "savant" terms came from (Autistic/Idiot/Genius Savant for example). Never knew
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
January 19 2008 15:10 GMT
#115
Summary:
Some people in IQ make a magazine, make their own test, a janitor solves them, and he is "the world's smartest man".

(at least I think that is right, I heard about this guy a long time ago and didn't rewatch the videos)

All IQ tests are not equal. Is that much better than some of the online IQ tests out there? As far as any professional credibility of the test, I don't think so.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
January 19 2008 15:11 GMT
#116
On January 20 2008 00:04 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 23:26 alias wrote:
I think the world's smartest woman is still smarter than the world's smartest man.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant

Marilyn vos Savant has an IQ of 228.

I am not sure how recent this is though, so things might have changed, but she's still got an IQ higher than 200.

yup... I am abit bias.

Hmmm interesting. I'm guessing thats where all the "savant" terms came from (Autistic/Idiot/Genius Savant for example). Never knew


I'm 90% sure it is just a coincidence :O
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
January 19 2008 15:20 GMT
#117
On January 19 2008 23:59 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:26 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 12:37 ManaBlue wrote:
I watched the whole thing and was actually pretty disappointed. I thought he was actually going to display his intelligence and speak on something.

Instead he babbled on for one of the most pretentious and narcissistic speeches I have ever heard. There's a reason no one knows who he is, and why he's contributed nothing to science or anything else productive.

From his wiki article:
"Langan is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID),[20] a professional society which promotes intelligent design,[21] and has published a paper on his CTMU in the society's online journal Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design in 2002.[22] Later that year, he presented a lecture on his CTMU at ISCID's Research and Progress in Intelligent Design (RAPID) conference.[23] In 2004, Langan contributed a chapter to Uncommon Dissent, an essay collection of works that question Darwinian evolution edited by ISCID cofounder and leading intelligent design proponent William Dembski.[24]"

That's all I needed to read to know this guy is a douche.

My thoughts exactly.

None of us ManaBlue? I quoted you and said "my thoughts exactly" lol.


Haha, sorry dude.
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abandonallhope
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Sweden563 Posts
January 19 2008 15:22 GMT
#118
I didn't expect someone with an IQ of ~200 to talk so much shit.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
January 19 2008 15:30 GMT
#119
IQ only equals potential.

This analogy has already been used in this discussion but its soo true. You could have a supercomputer, but if you just fill it up with shit, then its still a waste of time.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
January 19 2008 15:36 GMT
#120
On January 20 2008 00:10 Servolisk wrote:
Summary:
Some people in IQ make a magazine, make their own test, a janitor solves them, and he is "the world's smartest man".

(at least I think that is right, I heard about this guy a long time ago and didn't rewatch the videos)

All IQ tests are not equal. Is that much better than some of the online IQ tests out there? As far as any professional credibility of the test, I don't think so.


I strongly disagree, all IQ test ARE equal, because none of them can really measure intelligence.

P.S. ManaBlue, ofc we read your post.
I'll call Nada.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 19 2008 15:37 GMT
#121
whats the big deal? Isnt the average IQ of a TL.net poster around 190 anyways?
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 15:38 GMT
#122
On January 20 2008 00:11 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 00:04 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 23:26 alias wrote:
I think the world's smartest woman is still smarter than the world's smartest man.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant

Marilyn vos Savant has an IQ of 228.

I am not sure how recent this is though, so things might have changed, but she's still got an IQ higher than 200.

yup... I am abit bias.

Hmmm interesting. I'm guessing thats where all the "savant" terms came from (Autistic/Idiot/Genius Savant for example). Never knew


I'm 90% sure it is just a coincidence :O

At first I thought the same thing, and was going to make a post commenting on the irony of her last name. Then I thought that it was probably more likely that the terms originated from her famous and incredibly high IQ. *shrug*
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MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
January 19 2008 15:51 GMT
#123
On January 20 2008 00:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
whats the big deal? Isnt the average IQ of a TL.net poster around 190 anyways?


my guess is 116-120
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NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
January 19 2008 15:52 GMT
#124
apm > iq
One for the money , two for the show , straight to hell is where i go
drift0ut
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United Kingdom691 Posts
January 19 2008 15:58 GMT
#125
I've not read most of the thread: but any measure of intelligence which puts Charles Darwin out side the top 1% is clearly flawed
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
January 19 2008 15:58 GMT
#126
On January 20 2008 00:51 MarklarMarklar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 00:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
whats the big deal? Isnt the average IQ of a TL.net poster around 190 anyways?


my guess is 116-120


There was a thread where a lot of people posted screenshots of their results in some IQ test and it was unexpectably high on average, I guess that's what incontrol is reffering to.
I'll call Nada.
drift0ut
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United Kingdom691 Posts
January 19 2008 16:00 GMT
#127
On January 19 2008 22:31 Frits wrote:
Haha, I guess the smartest man on earth is a total douche.

I want a south park episode
MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
January 19 2008 16:03 GMT
#128
On January 20 2008 00:58 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 00:51 MarklarMarklar wrote:
On January 20 2008 00:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
whats the big deal? Isnt the average IQ of a TL.net poster around 190 anyways?


my guess is 116-120


There was a thread where a lot of people posted screenshots of their results in some IQ test and it was unexpectably high on average, I guess that's what incontrol is reffering to.


ya i know, just wanted to take a guess

but people who did the test and werent pleased with their result probably skipped the posting it part in that thread
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 16:08:50
January 19 2008 16:07 GMT
#129
Tadzio00,
Thanks for the history lesson of things which are irrelevant and I already know! Rome was the first dominant republic and it affected many modern countries, including the US. I'm glad you know how to look up "list of republics" on Wikipedia, but the Commonwealth of England was closer to an absolute monarchy than any of the actual monarchies that followed, which are actually republics because Parliament maintained power over the country besides the one little scoff with James II.

Maybe a little, but not to the extent that currently exists. "Congress shall make no law" can just as easily be amended "the people shall make no law" and minorities would be protected from the "tyranny of the mob."
Oh I see. We need an amendment that says ... "shall make no law which hurts minorities" and everything is covered. Thanks.

Today, any human being over the age of 18 can vote for representatives. That's progress towards democracy fought for through popular struggle.
Popular struggle? Take a look at all the different civil rights movements. That every US citizen over 18 can vote today is absolutely not due to popular rule.

Why should the progress toward democracy stop there, though?
Because people don't have enough time, knowledge or rationality to be directly involved in political decisions. People are stupid - you heard it here first. Masses of people are easily coerced and manipulated, and opening things up entirely would turn into a shitfest free for all. You cite the "mistakes" of our government as reason for change, but there's absolutely zero reason to believe "the people" would've made a better choice regarding war and education and the environment, especially given they have an extremely incomplete grasp of the issues and are reliant on more intelligent people (there's your hierarchy again) to inform their judgments.

The funny thing is that direct democracy IS implemented in the US through Initiatives and Referendums, and they're barely used because 1) people have other things to do 2) they realize someone more informed should make the decision.
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
January 19 2008 16:36 GMT
#130
On January 20 2008 01:07 Jibba wrote:
Popular struggle? Take a look at all the different civil rights movements. That every US citizen over 18 can vote today is absolutely not due to popular rule.


Uh, that's exactly what I meant when I said popular struggle. What do you think civil rights is? Martin Luther King Jr. and the intelligentsia-crew? What do you think popular struggle is? Lenin creating a nation of atheists? Civil rights, women's suffrage, et al. is a lot of regular folk making sure their message is heard by the powers that be and demanding change. Its illegitimate democracy. Its popular struggle.

I can't fucking believe that was something you decided was worth nit-picking over.

there's absolutely zero reason to believe "the people" would've made a better choice regarding war and education and the environment,


According to Noam Chomsky (maybe you think he's a liar, I don't, but take it with that grain of salt, I haven't personally done studies on public opinion and not everyone thinks Chomsky's analysis is fair), everything I said in my first post (that people would support the kyoto protocol, would work to disarm, would be internationally law abiding, would institute penalties for industrial polluters) has been indicated in polls of the general population. That, to me, is a positive indicator that "the people" would do exactly what they need to do to ensure their future.

It seems to me it's quite evident that those currently in power will drag their feet until the end of the earth if it means a few more bucks today.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 16:58:34
January 19 2008 16:54 GMT
#131
On January 19 2008 23:26 alias wrote:
I think the world's smartest woman is still smarter than the world's smartest man.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant

Marilyn vos Savant has an IQ of 228.

I am not sure how recent this is though, so things might have changed, but she's still got an IQ higher than 200.

yup... I am abit bias.

i have nothing against woman but She took that IQ test when she was 8. Later she did the test again and scored 180 as an adult i believe. So its misleading to say that she scored a higher IQ than this guy
GoldenSun
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
21 Posts
January 19 2008 16:56 GMT
#132
On January 19 2008 12:09 A3iL3r0n wrote:
He seems more bluster than actual intelligence. Maybe he's got a super fast computer, but all he's got in there is minesweeper.

Actually it does. I'm taking AP stat and it's a widely known fact that humans and dolphin's log(brain size) vs body weight is higher than the average
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 17:11:46
January 19 2008 17:08 GMT
#133
On January 19 2008 17:28 LaZyScV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:14 lololol wrote:
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!

Hi? If its so obvious why did the op claim this man was the smartest man in the world because of his IQ when he clearly is not? I agree it should be pretty obvious. But apparently some people were unaware.


at 1:37 in the video, "the smartest man in the world."

I understood he was just using that opening as the thread title, not actually claiming/saying anything.

Yes it isn't my personal opinion, i was just copying pasting what the media labeled him in some sites.
Imo this guy has poor judgment but its in fact very smart, not the smartest/intelligent in the world tho Intelligence is far more complex and detailed definition than just a good score on an IQ test

pd: btw anyone know who scored the highest IQ test here on the online thing? im just curious
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
January 19 2008 17:13 GMT
#134
On January 20 2008 02:08 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:28 LaZyScV wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:14 lololol wrote:
On January 19 2008 16:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
IQ is not an effective measure of intelligence.


Hello Captain Obvious!

Hi? If its so obvious why did the op claim this man was the smartest man in the world because of his IQ when he clearly is not? I agree it should be pretty obvious. But apparently some people were unaware.


at 1:37 in the video, "the smartest man in the world."

I understood he was just using that opening as the thread title, not actually claiming/saying anything.

Yes it isn't my personal opinion, i was just copying pasting what the media labeled him in some sites.
Imo this guy has poor judgment but its in fact very smart, not the smartest/intelligent in the world tho Intelligence is far more complex and detailed definition than just a good score on an IQ test

pd: btw anyone know who scored the highest IQ test here on the online thing? im just curious

Even those are capped at a certain IQ, and it's easy to cheat or lie to try to look like you're smart, because it's the internet and people are conceited fucks.
Peace~
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
January 19 2008 17:15 GMT
#135
On January 20 2008 01:54 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 23:26 alias wrote:
I think the world's smartest woman is still smarter than the world's smartest man.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant

Marilyn vos Savant has an IQ of 228.

I am not sure how recent this is though, so things might have changed, but she's still got an IQ higher than 200.

yup... I am abit bias.

i have nothing against woman but She took that IQ test when she was 8. Later she did the test again and scored 180 as an adult i believe. So its misleading to say that she scored a higher IQ than this guy


They took completely different tests. Marilyn vos Savant took one that was credible, as far as IQ tests go. The bouncer in this video took a test from a magazine, with no credibility besides that of the people who made it.

I believe IQ scores are supposed to keep 100 as the middle of the bell curve, not something derived from a formula from test answers. Savant's test was like that, I'm pretty sure. The magazine test I am pretty sure wasn't, and probably did not even have enough people take it to make a bell curve.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 17:27:55
January 19 2008 17:15 GMT
#136
On January 20 2008 01:36 Tadzio00 wrote:
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On January 20 2008 01:07 Jibba wrote:
Popular struggle? Take a look at all the different civil rights movements. That every US citizen over 18 can vote today is absolutely not due to popular rule.


Uh, that's exactly what I meant when I said popular struggle. What do you think civil rights is? Martin Luther King Jr. and the intelligentsia-crew? What do you think popular struggle is? Lenin creating a nation of atheists? Civil rights, women's suffrage, et al. is a lot of regular folk making sure their message is heard by the powers that be and demanding change. Its illegitimate democracy. Its popular struggle.

I can't fucking believe that was something you decided was worth nit-picking over.
The Civil Rights movement would have been crushed under direct democracy.

Show nested quote +
there's absolutely zero reason to believe "the people" would've made a better choice regarding war and education and the environment,


According to Noam Chomsky (maybe you think he's a liar, I don't, but take it with that grain of salt, I haven't personally done studies on public opinion and not everyone thinks Chomsky's analysis is fair), everything I said in my first post (that people would support the kyoto protocol, would work to disarm, would be internationally law abiding, would institute penalties for industrial polluters) has been indicated in polls of the general population. That, to me, is a positive indicator that "the people" would do exactly what they need to do to ensure their future.

It seems to me it's quite evident that those currently in power will drag their feet until the end of the earth if it means a few more bucks today.

What knowledge does the public have about the Kyoto protocol? Just because they're correct on a 50/50 issue doesn't mean they have way to accurately determine things they haven't studied. Oh, but I guess because the media has sensationalized it and adequately convinced the public that it's needed, the Kyoto protocol is the 100% correct decision. Now if only those damned scientists would agree.

EDIT: And before someone says it, I'm not trying to argue against the Kyoto protocol. I'm showing that there's hardly an educated consensus on anything, trying to use an uneducated consensus would be even worse.
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 17:35:53
January 19 2008 17:33 GMT
#137
So why is it that citizenry can't make a decision while the scientists are busy disagreeing? They have to wait for permission, I guess.

I don't see how a direct democracy would've harmed the civil rights movement. It may've made the civil rights movement unnecessary... but harmed it? No. Whatever the case, direct democracy today will not undo the progress of the past.

By the way, the Commonwealth was a republic. You might not like how parliament and Oliver Cromwell executed it, but there ya go.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 17:43 GMT
#138
Parliament were Cromwell's bitches, so it was a republic in the sense that North Korea calls itself a republic. In the "monarchies" following, Parliament controlled most of the power, especially after the Glorious Revolution.

I don't know about you, but I like making informed decisions. That's not really possible in this case. Congress may fuck up and trust the wrong informants but it doesn't happen the majority of the time, and it's still better than having a layperson, even more unsure of who to trust, make a hurried decision.

The civil rights movement would've been damaged because the majority of the country was racist for at least 150 of our country's 200~ years.
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samso..
Profile Joined July 2007
United States53 Posts
January 19 2008 17:55 GMT
#139
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
"...Imagination bodies forth, the form of things unknown..."
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
January 19 2008 18:06 GMT
#140
On January 20 2008 00:51 MarklarMarklar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 00:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
whats the big deal? Isnt the average IQ of a TL.net poster around 190 anyways?


my guess is 116-120

Fiji -> Romania.

Change plz.
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ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
January 19 2008 18:11 GMT
#141
If the person with the highest IQ is really a woman than that is really quite incredible. Considering the fact that male variance is larger and that the higher up on the scale you go, the more the ratio males/females grows.
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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 19 2008 18:13 GMT
#142
IQ doesn't define an intelligent person. This guy is talking bullshit.
samso..
Profile Joined July 2007
United States53 Posts
January 19 2008 18:13 GMT
#143
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
"...Imagination bodies forth, the form of things unknown..."
wo0py
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Netherlands922 Posts
January 19 2008 18:15 GMT
#144
On January 19 2008 12:03 zdd wrote:
Having a bigger head doesn't mean being smarter, look at elephants, whales, and other big headed creatures versus monkeys and ravens, who are clearly more intelligent.


The head doesn't indeed. But some parts of the brain from a human brain are larger then an elephants brain. Animals tend to have larger brain parts of instinctive behavior and human are more trained to have speech and such.

I don't admit with the guy on the video that we are smarter. We're just different then animals.
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Eskii
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada544 Posts
January 19 2008 18:21 GMT
#145
For the cranial capacity debate going on here...
Lets not forget that whales and elephants and all of the larger creatures have tiny brains in comparison to us(when their size is taken into account)

The Sperm Whale has about a 9kg brain and it weighs about 140 tonnes, we have a 1.35 kg brain with about 140 pounds.

BUT then there are animals that have an extremely high brain weight to body weight ratio, shrews for instance. Yet their brains are much smaller than ours...
This debate is a simply ridiculous one, nobody will ever win it
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 18:26:46
January 19 2008 18:21 GMT
#146
On January 20 2008 03:13 samso.. wrote:
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?

yes, im interested to know whats his definition of intelligence too
and about the head discussion his obviously not talking about the literal "Head" his talking about the size of the brain since clearly there are big animals with big heads but small brains, i may be wrong tho but cmon even a kid would know that
MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
January 19 2008 18:27 GMT
#147
i just think its harder for a small brain than a big brain to be intelligent

so yeah bigger brain is not automaticly smarter but the probability that a big head causes larger intelligence seems possible
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 18:33:35
January 19 2008 18:32 GMT
#148
how the fuck did he make the hardest iq test in the world

arent iq tests supposed to be objective.. so a guy with an iq of 120 would score 100 on this hard test? lol

annoying guy.. if iq is the apm in SC he's the heaven[30dom]
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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
January 19 2008 18:47 GMT
#149
On January 20 2008 02:55 samso.. wrote:
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?


I would.
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Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
January 19 2008 18:53 GMT
#150
On January 20 2008 03:13 samso.. wrote:
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
If I were to make a new thread where I presented Langan's ideas on Reality and such in a kind-of summary/bullet-form presentation, would you guys be interested in taking a look at it and/or discussing it?
Yes, I'd be quite interested to know more on his views. Of course, I'd want a lot of info on his CTMU and his religious position. Just curious as to how someone with such a high IQ comes to those conclusions and how he defends them.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 19 2008 18:56 GMT
#151
On January 20 2008 03:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
how the fuck did he make the hardest iq test in the world

arent iq tests supposed to be objective.. so a guy with an iq of 120 would score 100 on this hard test? lol

annoying guy.. if iq is the apm in SC he's the heaven[30dom]


heaven hahahaha
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
January 19 2008 19:00 GMT
#152
lol he didnt seem very smart, i think like he does all the time, i think a lot of people do. And a lot of his ideas are just plain stupid.
samso..
Profile Joined July 2007
United States53 Posts
January 19 2008 19:06 GMT
#153
Yes, I'd be quite interested to know more on his views. Of course, I'd want a lot of info on his CTMU and his religious position. Just curious as to how someone with such a high IQ comes to those conclusions and how he defends them.


Okay cool. On his website he has a 'CTMU primer' meant to summarize his ideas, but it's still thoroughly riddled with technical mathematical and philosophical terms. So I'm taking the primer and giving each part a good [one or two-paragraph] re-wording so that it'll be a whole lot more intelligible to readers. It'll probably take me a good part of the day to finish it up though. Or, knowing me, I might never finish it and you'll never hear from me again. We'll see.

"...Imagination bodies forth, the form of things unknown..."
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
January 19 2008 19:07 GMT
#154
i haven't watched the vids, but
IQ means absolute shit
since he is 50-ish, the fact that he scored a 200 on an intelligence test means that he is as smart as the average 100-year-old
or, since IQ tests scores have almost no relevance for adults, we could assume the more logical possibility that he scored a 200 when he was a kid, which says shit about how smart he is now.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 19:13:31
January 19 2008 19:11 GMT
#155
On January 19 2008 12:09 A3iL3r0n wrote:
He seems more bluster than actual intelligence. Maybe he's got a super fast computer, but all he's got in there is minesweeper.



Yeah, I've only watched the last one, but he just sounds extremely idealistic. I'd think somebody with that high of an IQ would probably understand that there's not much he can do for mankind.

I really like the fact that he equates the sophistication of a person's worldview with intelligence rather than IQ. As far as I'm concerned, a 150+ IQ person who belongs to any mainstream judeo-christian religion and honestly believes that's the way the world functions is still a dumbass.
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
January 19 2008 19:29 GMT
#156
On January 20 2008 03:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
how the fuck did he make the hardest iq test in the world

arent iq tests supposed to be objective.. so a guy with an iq of 120 would score 100 on this hard test? lol

annoying guy.. if iq is the apm in SC he's the heaven[30dom]


A normal IQ test is optimized for people in the 80-120 range. An IQ test for the 140-180 range would have harder questions.
sanftm00d
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Austria73 Posts
January 19 2008 19:32 GMT
#157
lol this guy is a loser
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 19 2008 19:48 GMT
#158
"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 19 2008 19:52 GMT
#159
On January 20 2008 04:48 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."


I guess this guy fails Socrates test
It doesnt really matter how much inteligence you have, its what you do with it that counts, even if the IQ test is a correct method of testing inteligence, which I doubt it is, this guy Fails at life.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Eskii
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada544 Posts
January 19 2008 20:03 GMT
#160
On January 20 2008 04:52 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 04:48 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."


I guess this guy fails Socrates test
It doesnt really matter how much inteligence you have, its what you do with it that counts, even if the IQ test is a correct method of testing inteligence, which I doubt it is, this guy Fails at life.


And by what standard do you say he fails life? He doesent live up to your expectations of what a Genius is? Do you think he should be out curing cancer instead of bouncing a bar?
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 19 2008 20:06 GMT
#161
On January 20 2008 05:03 Eskii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 04:52 samachking wrote:
On January 20 2008 04:48 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."


I guess this guy fails Socrates test
It doesnt really matter how much inteligence you have, its what you do with it that counts, even if the IQ test is a correct method of testing inteligence, which I doubt it is, this guy Fails at life.


And by what standard do you say he fails life? He doesent live up to your expectations of what a Genius is? Do you think he should be out curing cancer instead of bouncing a bar?


Lets put it this way, if you want to boast about how smart you are, atleast do something useful, not ramble random BS.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
January 19 2008 20:11 GMT
#162
How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad

DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 19 2008 20:52 GMT
#163
I think this guy is so retarded that he thinks he is the smartest in the world. I would say that many others are smarter than him. Why? Because at least they use their skills and abilities they have to good use. Unlike this guy who is being a bouncer and just sitting there claiming he is the smartest ever. If he is the smartest, let him use his abilities to the fullest and not take some bullshit interviews claiming that he is the smartest. IQ is nothing. What counts is using your own abilities to the max level and doing something good with your life.
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 19 2008 20:54 GMT
#164
On January 20 2008 05:11 Glider wrote:
How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad



There are a lot of people in this world that have much more sad stories. Why do they even care about his story, wait does it add anything to what he is claiming?! Or is it some mombo jombo crap?!
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 19 2008 21:00 GMT
#165
On January 20 2008 05:11 Glider wrote:
How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad



One word
Propaganda
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 19 2008 21:04 GMT
#166
On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?



I agree wholeheartedly.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 21:19:03
January 19 2008 21:18 GMT
#167
On January 20 2008 05:11 Glider wrote:
How come no one talks about his unfortunate childhood and all bashing his arrogance. I find his childhood story sad


I'm not sure but you're right. If people think he's an asshole and his outlook on humanity is disgusting, look no further than the humanity he was brought up in.

Being intelligent doesn't preclude you from psychological issues.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 21:27 GMT
#168
On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?

ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design.

Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.
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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
January 19 2008 21:28 GMT
#169
I'm incredibly skeptical about the legitimacy of the iq test he took. as its been stated, it was from some random magazine so i refuse to believe the iq score he placed was really standardized compared to the real well known ones.

and he's a bouncer at a bar? LOLLLLLL what a joke LOL that guy looks like an overweight faggot; what drunken middle age guy couldn't overpower a weaksauce man like him
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 21:34:41
January 19 2008 21:33 GMT
#170
On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?

ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design.

Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.


Do a little reading about Of Pandas and People, the wedge strategy, and the Dover trial. Pushing ID is only the first step.

That he has allowed himself to become a pawn of religious fundamentalists does not speak well of him.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 21:37 GMT
#171
On January 20 2008 06:33 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?

ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design.

Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.


Do a little reading about Of Pandas and People, the wedge strategy, and the Dover trial. Pushing ID is only the first step.

That he has allowed himself to become a pawn of religious fundamentalists does not speak well of him.
Religious fundamentalists can turn virtually anybody into a pawn of theirs. Granted he walked head first into it but I'm still curious about the mathematics to support his theories. Listening to people go on about bacteria flagellum over and over again gets a bit old.
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 19 2008 21:38 GMT
#172
On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?

ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design.

Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.



ID = Creationism

if you want to follow on that you can make a new thread or we can discuss through PM.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
January 19 2008 21:46 GMT
#173
On January 20 2008 06:38 Rev0lution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:
On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?

ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design.

Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.



ID = Creationism

if you want to follow on that you can make a new thread or we can discuss through PM.


Actually ID does not = Creationism. Or at least not creationism as it is usually described.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7215 Posts
January 19 2008 22:09 GMT
#174
On January 20 2008 06:27 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 22:24 ManaBlue wrote:
Since none of you are reading my post on the first page, I find it necessary to reiterate that this guy is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, which is a society of whores for every creationist group in America.

This man taints himself and his opinions by associating himself with such groups.

Ironic that he would come down on academics who he feels do no real work and hog resources, when he himself is affiliated with an extention of a polical lobbiest group, rendering everything and anything he writes suspect.

How can he go on and on about how the high IQ community is a group of rouge geniuses that we should all trust our lives with when he's nothing but a whore for the American religious right?

ID is separate from creationism and makes no reference to what type of God there is. It's based around mathematics and probability, although it makes some poor assumptions and I disagree with it. Just thought it's worth pointing out that Creationism != Intelligent Design.

Also, he claims no religious affiliation for the reason you stated above. He simply believes it's mathematically impossible for a God (not Christian God, just an outside mover) not to exist.




ID is a joke, its pushed on by Christian Creationists as real science when it is not. COMPLETE joke, its obvious what those people are trying to do when they bring up ID.
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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 19 2008 23:04 GMT
#175
The only reason to believe that our universe is not a computer simulation or a bottled ant farm in a much larger universe is the preference for minimalistic explanations of the world, also known as Occam's Razor. There can be no evidence against the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god who wishes to hide himself from us; lack of evidence for his existence can be interpreted equally as evidence of his competence.

The proper justification for Occam's Razor is not that the simpler explanation is more likely to be correct, but more directly that it is easier to remember and work with. The simplest model which is consistent with the facts is the best compression of the data of those facts. The more easily our minds can work with a model, the more easily we can use it to make predictions, and therefore the more easily we can evaluate its power to make accurate predictions.

Preference for the simplest model makes the best use of our limited intelligence and information, despite (and also because of) the fact that simple models often prove to have been too simple when more data becomes available.

However, preference for a more appealing model can have the best effect on our emotional state. It is not always beneficial to be correct, especially since our logical faculties often find themselves in a subordinate role to our instinctive drives. I think it is no coincidence that powerful societies tend to be strongly religious.

Atheism makes best use of our intelligence (for good or for ill), but religion is more powerful and versatile in mastering our emotions (for good or for ill).

The true philosopher recognizes that we can have no evidence to guide us in our choice between solipsism, consensus reality, theism, and atheism. The genuine pragmatist recognizes that each has its own value and proper context, regardless of truth.

Anyway, ID needs advocates. It is not hard to imagine conclusive evidence of pre-human intelligence (whether the aliens might be extradimensional or merely extraterrestrial is a relatively minor point). Somebody ought to be looking for it, just in case it's there, in the true spirit of science, just like SETI. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, especially when serious people aren't looking very hard, and preference for the simpler model is not a decisive argument, just a good guideline for making progress.

Religion's defenders are not wrong when they claim that many of evolution's advocates are motivated by their desire to attack religion. Both sides could generally benefit from being more civil and openminded.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 23:07:51
January 19 2008 23:07 GMT
#176
It's more difficult to be civil when you believe you'll be heading to Hell for doing so.

But in general I agree with your post. As much as people like to deny it, extremists play an important role in society.
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asdflkjh
Profile Joined September 2007
Brazil15 Posts
January 19 2008 23:16 GMT
#177
The true philosopher recognizes that we can have no evidence to guide us in our choice between solipsism, consensus reality, theism, and atheism. The genuine pragmatist recognizes that each has its own value and proper context, regardless of truth.

(...)Both sides could generally benefit from being more civil and openminded.

Just wanted to voice my support. Wholeheartedly agree with that. Don't want to add anything else because discussions over religion (or lack thereof) lead absolutely nowhere and just manage to get people pissed off on both sides. It's not even much of a debating exercise because pretty much all arguments are beaten up, worn down, and older than everything.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 20 2008 00:40 GMT
#178
The only reason to believe that our universe is not a computer simulation or a bottled ant farm in a much larger universe is the preference for minimalistic explanations of the world, also known as Occam's Razor. There can be no evidence against the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god who wishes to hide himself from us; lack of evidence for his existence can be interpreted equally as evidence of his competence.


"Slartibartfast: Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I think that the chances of finding out what's actually going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say, "Hang the sense of it," and keep yourself busy. I'd much rather be happy than right any day.
Arthur Dent: And are you?
Slartibartfast: Ah, no.
[laughs, snorts]
Slartibartfast: Well, that's where it all falls down, of course. "

You'll believe whatever you want to believe. What makes you a more capable (of surviving) human being, is if what you believe can be used to accurately predict the future. That's where the whole God thing falls down IMO God explains what has happened, and let's you sleep at night (fine and dandy), but it doesn't exactly help you predict anything (like weather, nature, people etc.)

Bob Ross used to say "If it makes you happy, and it doesn't hurt anybody, then it's right." I personally like to take that stance on all religion/spiritual beliefs.

PS: Yeah, that was my random 2 cents :X
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poppa
Profile Joined December 2005
United States329 Posts
January 20 2008 00:50 GMT
#179
so i watched the vids

and all i can say is that he certainly has indepth point of views on many things...

but he who talk the talk does not exactly walk the walk

perhaps his childhood affected his way through the academic field....

anyway interesting nonetheless
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 23:04:42
January 20 2008 01:16 GMT
#180
The iq test is not able to measure intelligence because intelligence cannot be measured in a linear manner; but that's obvious and well-known, so no point in talking about that. He works as a bouncer in a bar, completed an iq test in a magazine, and has been called the "smartest man in America." From watching the videos, all he does is spin random nonsense (tainted with intelligent design theories) around, pretending that he is "intelligent".

This is the most ridiculous and boring thing I have seen in a while.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 20 2008 01:28 GMT
#181
On January 20 2008 08:04 Funchucks wrote:
Atheism makes best use of our intelligence (for good or for ill), but religion is more powerful and versatile in mastering our emotions (for good or for ill).


Despite what you may think, atheism is not equivalent to irreligion. Theravada Buddhism, for example, is a religion, but it is an atheistic one.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
samso..
Profile Joined July 2007
United States53 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 02:09:21
January 20 2008 01:52 GMT
#182
[edit]After posting this I saw it might be a good idea to make clear that I am NOT an ID-supporter. It just seems to me that TL.net has given ID an unjustifiably bad rep, especially considering that very few here have bothered to accompany their extended anti-ID shenanigans with even one good bit of reason or justification. That obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but I just thought that perhaps my perspective could shed a bit of light on a subject that is apparently fairly poorly understood.[/edit]

Forget about any of ID's political or religious affiliations, and throw away the superficial stereotypes we've come to associate it with-- Those things are unnecessary and extraneous with respect to ID by definition. If we're really talking about ID, then we're referring to its aspects which distinguish it from all other things. The phrase "Intelligent Design" carries with it a huge amount of extra baggage; It's almost impossible to discuss it now because of the really bad rep its earned on account of the bad press we associate with it. But like I said, ultimately these associations have nothing to do with ID per se, but instead serve only to define the social and scientific contexts from which we approach it. At rock bottom, then, ID is just an idea about the way things might work, as much as is any other theoretical construction. So if we're really talking about ID, then we're really talking about two distinct concepts, both of which are very familiar to us, "Design" and "Intelligence", of which it is the stated goal of ID to unify into a single conceptual framework.

At its most basic conceptual foundation, ID tries to explore the relationship between information-rich systems (of all varieties, both concrete as well as abstract) and 'intelligence'-- a generalized notion which itself has no agreed-upon definition, whose terms and conditions are either largely unknown or not understood, and whose relationship to non-intelligent systems is so utterly and completely hidden beneath centuries-worth of sciences', mathematics', and philosophy's trillions of tangled threads, that it's long been agreed-on by virtually everyone that there exists no model (mathematical or otherwise) where the co-existence of physically-determined processes and self-directed intelligent processes can currently be reconciled in a consistent way.

There are, of course, other theories and approaches to these problems. But ID justifies its theoretical framework on the observation that all such other approaches are predicated on specific assumptions about the relation between information and intelligence, whose collective presence preclude objectivity by constricting the set of possible explanatory or theoretical models to just those which define 'self-directed intelligent processes' in terms of wholly determined physical processes. Such has been the trend of much of modern thought. But to ID'ers, such thinking is either misconceived or circular, since 'self-directed intelligent processes' have been arbitrarily redefined in terms of 'non-self-directed, non-intelligent processes'. Yes, such reductions are (and have been) commonplace in science, and that is most certainly not a bad thing in itself. In this case, however, the problem is that among theories seeking to explore the nature of intelligence and its relation to non-intelligent, information-rich systems, assumptions are being made about precisely none other-than the nature of intelligence and its relation to non-intelligent, information-rich systems. (In case you missed it, that's the definition of a circular or question-begging model). It should be noted that these assumptions really are very rarely accounted for by current models, the reason being that these assumptions are always philosophical in nature and are generally considered as being, to a large extent, either ambiguous or undecidable.

So the point of all this, then, is that ID does in fact have something to offer: Whereas so much of our contemporary theoretical approach to these issues has been constructed by way of a certain, deeply ingrained, "collective-philosophical-consciousness", whose basis is either unjustified or never empirically or methodically explored, ID differs in that it rests on a different set of philosophical and methodological considerations. Note that these considerations have nothing to do with religion or creationism, but instead only with those premises which are fundamentally related to ID's area of investigation-- namely, the nature of intelligence and self-direction, and their specific logical and ontological relations to informational systems of particular varieties.
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zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 02:04:23
January 20 2008 02:01 GMT
#183
To me intelligent design seems simply the argument that life is so complicated that it could not have appeared on its own, and must have been created by something else. But then, we must consider who created the creator of life, and who created that creator, etc.
By choosing the alternate path, evolution, we can simply say that random interactions between particles in the universe continued to happen until some process occurred that could recreate itself to become better. Then the recreations of this process would either "live" and recreate themselves to become better, or die. Eventually the best processes became more and more complex, and that is how you get from unicellular organisms to humans.
The only thing that remains unexplained is what caused the energy that started the universe, but we are likely to never find out how it happened.
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 20 2008 02:20 GMT
#184
On January 20 2008 10:52 samso.. wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[edit]After posting this I saw it might be a good idea to make clear that I am NOT an ID-supporter. It just seems to me that TL.net has given ID an unjustifiably bad rep, especially considering that very few here have bothered to accompany their extended anti-ID shenanigans with even one good bit of reason or justification. That obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but I just thought that perhaps my perspective could shed a bit of light on a subject that is apparently fairly poorly understood.[/edit]

Forget about any of ID's political or religious affiliations, and throw away the superficial stereotypes we've come to associate it with-- Those things are unnecessary and extraneous with respect to ID by definition. If we're really talking about ID, then we're referring to its aspects which distinguish it from all other things. The phrase "Intelligent Design" carries with it a huge amount of extra baggage; It's almost impossible to discuss it now because of the really bad rep its earned on account of the bad press we associate with it. But like I said, ultimately these associations have nothing to do with ID per se, but instead serve only to define the social and scientific contexts from which we approach it. At rock bottom, then, ID is just an idea about the way things might work, as much as is any other theoretical construction. So if we're really talking about ID, then we're really talking about two distinct concepts, both of which are very familiar to us, "Design" and "Intelligence", of which it is the stated goal of ID to unify into a single conceptual framework.

At its most basic conceptual foundation, ID tries to explore the relationship between information-rich systems (of all varieties, both concrete as well as abstract) and 'intelligence'-- a generalized notion which itself has no agreed-upon definition, whose terms and conditions are either largely unknown or not understood, and whose relationship to non-intelligent systems is so utterly and completely hidden beneath centuries-worth of sciences', mathematics', and philosophy's trillions of tangled threads, that it's long been agreed-on by virtually everyone that there exists no model (mathematical or otherwise) where the co-existence of physically-determined processes and self-directed intelligent processes can currently be reconciled in a consistent way.

There are, of course, other theories and approaches to these problems. But ID justifies its theoretical framework on the observation that all such other approaches are predicated on specific assumptions about the relation between information and intelligence, whose collective presence preclude objectivity by constricting the set of possible explanatory or theoretical models to just those which define 'self-directed intelligent processes' in terms of wholly determined physical processes. Such has been the trend of much of modern thought. But to ID'ers, such thinking is either misconceived or circular, since 'self-directed intelligent processes' have been arbitrarily redefined in terms of 'non-self-directed, non-intelligent processes'. Yes, such reductions are (and have been) commonplace in science, and that is most certainly not a bad thing in itself. In this case, however, the problem is that among theories seeking to explore the nature of intelligence and its relation to non-intelligent, information-rich systems, assumptions are being made about precisely none other-than the nature of intelligence and its relation to non-intelligent, information-rich systems. (In case you missed it, that's the definition of a circular or question-begging model). It should be noted that these assumptions really are very rarely accounted for by current models, the reason being that these assumptions are always philosophical in nature and are generally considered as being, to a large extent, either ambiguous or undecidable.

So the point of all this, then, is that ID does in fact have something to offer: Whereas so much of our contemporary theoretical approach to these issues has been constructed by way of a certain, deeply ingrained, "collective-philosophical-consciousness", whose basis is either unjustified or never empirically or methodically explored, ID differs in that it rests on a different set of philosophical and methodological considerations. Note that these considerations have nothing to do with religion or creationism, but instead only with those premises which are fundamentally related to ID's area of investigation-- namely, the nature of intelligence and self-direction, and their specific logical and ontological relations to informational systems of particular varieties.


What a load of garbage.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 20 2008 02:33 GMT
#185
On January 20 2008 10:52 samso.. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Forget about any of ID's political or religious affiliations, and throw away the superficial stereotypes we've come to associate it with-- Those things are unnecessary and extraneous with respect to ID by definition. If we're really talking about ID, then we're referring to its aspects which distinguish it from all other things. The phrase "Intelligent Design" carries with it a huge amount of extra baggage; It's almost impossible to discuss it now because of the really bad rep its earned on account of the bad press we associate with it. But like I said, ultimately these associations have nothing to do with ID per se, but instead serve only to define the social and scientific contexts from which we approach it. At rock bottom, then, ID is just an idea about the way things might work, as much as is any other theoretical construction. So if we're really talking about ID, then we're really talking about two distinct concepts, both of which are very familiar to us, "Design" and "Intelligence", of which it is the stated goal of ID to unify into a single conceptual framework.

Translated: Please forget what the words "Intelligent" and "Design" mean.
+ Show Spoiler +

At its most basic conceptual foundation, ID tries to explore the relationship between information-rich systems (of all varieties, both concrete as well as abstract) and 'intelligence'-- a generalized notion which itself has no agreed-upon definition, whose terms and conditions are either largely unknown or not understood, and whose relationship to non-intelligent systems is so utterly and completely hidden beneath centuries-worth of sciences', mathematics', and philosophy's trillions of tangled threads, that it's long been agreed-on by virtually everyone that there exists no model (mathematical or otherwise) where the co-existence of physically-determined processes and self-directed intelligent processes can currently be reconciled in a consistent way.

Translated: You know what "intelligence" means? Everybody agrees that nobody does!
+ Show Spoiler +

There are, of course, other theories and approaches to these problems. But ID justifies its theoretical framework on the observation that all such other approaches are predicated on specific assumptions about the relation between information and intelligence, whose collective presence preclude objectivity by constricting the set of possible explanatory or theoretical models to just those which define 'self-directed intelligent processes' in terms of wholly determined physical processes. Such has been the trend of much of modern thought. But to ID'ers, such thinking is either misconceived or circular, since 'self-directed intelligent processes' have been arbitrarily redefined in terms of 'non-self-directed, non-intelligent processes'. Yes, such reductions are (and have been) commonplace in science, and that is most certainly not a bad thing in itself. In this case, however, the problem is that among theories seeking to explore the nature of intelligence and its relation to non-intelligent, information-rich systems, assumptions are being made about precisely none other-than the nature of intelligence and its relation to non-intelligent, information-rich systems. It should be noted that these assumptions really are very rarely accounted for by current models, the reason being that these assumptions are always philosophical in nature and are generally considered as being, to a large extent, either ambiguous or undecidable.

Translated: Your problem is that you think you know what "intelligence" means.
+ Show Spoiler +

So the point of all this, then, is that ID does in fact have something to offer: Whereas so much of our contemporary theoretical approach to these issues has been constructed by way of a certain, deeply ingrained, "collective-philosophical-consciousness", whose basis is either unjustified or never empirically or methodically explored, ID differs in that it rests on a different set of philosophical and methodological considerations. Note that these considerations have nothing to do with religion or creationism, but instead only with those premises which are fundamentally related to ID's area of investigation-- namely, the nature of intelligence and self-direction, and their specific logical and ontological relations to informational systems of particular varieties.

Translated: We "designed" our own definition of "intelligence", and that's why we can call ourselves smart.
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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 02:59:51
January 20 2008 02:55 GMT
#186
On January 20 2008 11:01 zdd wrote:
To me intelligent design seems simply the argument that life is so complicated that it could not have appeared on its own, and must have been created by something else. But then, we must consider who created the creator of life, and who created that creator, etc.
By choosing the alternate path, evolution, we can simply say that random interactions between particles in the universe continued to happen until some process occurred that could recreate itself to become better. Then the recreations of this process would either "live" and recreate themselves to become better, or die. Eventually the best processes became more and more complex, and that is how you get from unicellular organisms to humans.
The only thing that remains unexplained is what caused the energy that started the universe, but we are likely to never find out how it happened.

The chance of random interactions between particles and making life is 1/1 trillion, but i dont want to turn this into another religious debate , i wont reply anymore to that matter just wanted to point that out
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 03:27:30
January 20 2008 03:20 GMT
#187
On January 20 2008 11:55 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 11:01 zdd wrote:
To me intelligent design seems simply the argument that life is so complicated that it could not have appeared on its own, and must have been created by something else. But then, we must consider who created the creator of life, and who created that creator, etc.
By choosing the alternate path, evolution, we can simply say that random interactions between particles in the universe continued to happen until some process occurred that could recreate itself to become better. Then the recreations of this process would either "live" and recreate themselves to become better, or die. Eventually the best processes became more and more complex, and that is how you get from unicellular organisms to humans.
The only thing that remains unexplained is what caused the energy that started the universe, but we are likely to never find out how it happened.

The chance of random interactions between particles and making life is 1/1 trillion, but i dont want to turn this into another religious debate , i wont reply anymore to that matter just wanted to point that out

Given the huge amount of circumstances in which life could hypothetically occur and flourish, I think that there are plenty of locations in the universe to satisfy those odds and make life fairly likely. This is what makes the fermi paradox so fascinating to me. (Then again, we may have also already missed thousands of lifeforms in our observations of the universe, because our instruments cannot pick them up.) Suggesting otherwise would be like saying that a royal flush is impossible in poker because of its low probability.
But in any case, this is a moot point, because even if we did discover life on another planet, how do we know for certain whether it was intelligently designed or created by evolution?
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 20 2008 03:24 GMT
#188
On January 20 2008 11:55 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 11:01 zdd wrote:
To me intelligent design seems simply the argument that life is so complicated that it could not have appeared on its own, and must have been created by something else. But then, we must consider who created the creator of life, and who created that creator, etc.
By choosing the alternate path, evolution, we can simply say that random interactions between particles in the universe continued to happen until some process occurred that could recreate itself to become better. Then the recreations of this process would either "live" and recreate themselves to become better, or die. Eventually the best processes became more and more complex, and that is how you get from unicellular organisms to humans.
The only thing that remains unexplained is what caused the energy that started the universe, but we are likely to never find out how it happened.

The chance of random interactions between particles and making life is 1/1 trillion, but i dont want to turn this into another religious debate , i wont reply anymore to that matter just wanted to point that out


Hi

Stop making shit up.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 20 2008 03:28 GMT
#189
On January 20 2008 10:28 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 08:04 Funchucks wrote:
Atheism makes best use of our intelligence (for good or for ill), but religion is more powerful and versatile in mastering our emotions (for good or for ill).


Despite what you may think, atheism is not equivalent to irreligion. Theravada Buddhism, for example, is a religion, but it is an atheistic one.



an atheistic religion . sounds hillariously interesting :D
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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 20 2008 03:30 GMT
#190
On January 20 2008 12:24 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 11:55 ilj.psa wrote:
On January 20 2008 11:01 zdd wrote:
To me intelligent design seems simply the argument that life is so complicated that it could not have appeared on its own, and must have been created by something else. But then, we must consider who created the creator of life, and who created that creator, etc.
By choosing the alternate path, evolution, we can simply say that random interactions between particles in the universe continued to happen until some process occurred that could recreate itself to become better. Then the recreations of this process would either "live" and recreate themselves to become better, or die. Eventually the best processes became more and more complex, and that is how you get from unicellular organisms to humans.
The only thing that remains unexplained is what caused the energy that started the universe, but we are likely to never find out how it happened.

The chance of random interactions between particles and making life is 1/1 trillion, but i dont want to turn this into another religious debate , i wont reply anymore to that matter just wanted to point that out


Hi

Stop making shit up.

uh
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 20 2008 03:31 GMT
#191
On January 20 2008 11:55 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 11:01 zdd wrote:
To me intelligent design seems simply the argument that life is so complicated that it could not have appeared on its own, and must have been created by something else. But then, we must consider who created the creator of life, and who created that creator, etc.
By choosing the alternate path, evolution, we can simply say that random interactions between particles in the universe continued to happen until some process occurred that could recreate itself to become better. Then the recreations of this process would either "live" and recreate themselves to become better, or die. Eventually the best processes became more and more complex, and that is how you get from unicellular organisms to humans.
The only thing that remains unexplained is what caused the energy that started the universe, but we are likely to never find out how it happened.

The chance of random interactions between particles and making life is 1/1 trillion, but i dont want to turn this into another religious debate , i wont reply anymore to that matter just wanted to point that out


1 in 1 trillion? you got any sources to back that up or...?

jesus, it seems that everybody today likes to think of themselves as experts in evolutionary biology and cosmology.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 20 2008 03:31 GMT
#192
On January 20 2008 12:28 Rev0lution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 10:28 Mindcrime wrote:
On January 20 2008 08:04 Funchucks wrote:
Atheism makes best use of our intelligence (for good or for ill), but religion is more powerful and versatile in mastering our emotions (for good or for ill).


Despite what you may think, atheism is not equivalent to irreligion. Theravada Buddhism, for example, is a religion, but it is an atheistic one.



an atheistic religion . sounds hillariously interesting :D


theravada buddhism is a religion. Its just not a supernaturalist religion
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 20 2008 03:39 GMT
#193
On January 20 2008 12:31 fusionsdf wrote:
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On January 20 2008 12:28 Rev0lution wrote:
On January 20 2008 10:28 Mindcrime wrote:
On January 20 2008 08:04 Funchucks wrote:
Atheism makes best use of our intelligence (for good or for ill), but religion is more powerful and versatile in mastering our emotions (for good or for ill).


Despite what you may think, atheism is not equivalent to irreligion. Theravada Buddhism, for example, is a religion, but it is an atheistic one.



an atheistic religion . sounds hillariously interesting :D


theravada buddhism is a religion. Its just not a supernaturalist religion



all religions are supernatural, that is the difference between science and religion dude.

the bindings, fire, earth, wind and earth thing are all supernatural. Just not related to a god or divine being.
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Eskii
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada544 Posts
January 20 2008 03:41 GMT
#194
I would completly disagre that Theravada Buddhism is a religion, it is a belief system.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 03:53:58
January 20 2008 03:51 GMT
#195
On January 20 2008 12:41 Eskii wrote:
I would completly disagre that Theravada Buddhism is a religion, it is a belief system.


1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

I agree that many forms of Buddhism are better classified as belief systems rather than religions, but they are still an atheist religion. The original point about it was that people mistakenly equate atheism to disbelief in religion, when it is really just disbelief in god(s).

Here's a nice article refuting ID's "irreducible complexity" argument. That's the main "attack" IDers use and like I said before it's unrelated to Christian creationism, but it's still wrong.
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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 20 2008 04:20 GMT
#196
On January 20 2008 12:51 Jibba wrote:
[I agree that many forms of Buddhism are better classified as belief systems rather than religions, but they are still an atheist religion. The original point about it was that people mistakenly equate atheism to disbelief in religion, when it is really just disbelief in god(s).

"Religion" is a fuzzy term which often equates to "theism". Some claim science is a religion. Some claim Buddhism is not a religion.

This is a pointless semantic quibble. Words have to be interpreted in context, and my meaning was unambiguous. Just because "religion" is sometimes used to refer to non-theistic belief systems doesn't mean it's incorrect to use "religion" to denote "theism".

(And no, the dictionary definition won't help. People look at the way words are used and then write dictionaries, they don't read dictionaries and then build languages. A dictionary entry is just a summary of some scholar's considered opinion.)
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boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
January 20 2008 04:24 GMT
#197
BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING

This guy is as smart as my cat and by that I mean my cat is as smart as 99.99% of the world but no one GIVES A FUCKING SHIT, including me.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 04:26:45
January 20 2008 04:26 GMT
#198
On January 20 2008 13:20 Funchucks wrote:
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On January 20 2008 12:51 Jibba wrote:
[I agree that many forms of Buddhism are better classified as belief systems rather than religions, but they are still an atheist religion. The original point about it was that people mistakenly equate atheism to disbelief in religion, when it is really just disbelief in god(s).

"Religion" is a fuzzy term which often equates to "theism". Some claim science is a religion. Some claim Buddhism is not a religion.

This is a pointless semantic quibble. Words have to be interpreted in context, and my meaning was unambiguous. Just because "religion" is sometimes used to refer to non-theistic belief systems doesn't mean it's incorrect to use "religion" to denote "theism".

(And no, the dictionary definition won't help. People look at the way words are used and then write dictionaries, they don't read dictionaries and then build languages. A dictionary entry is just a summary of some scholar's considered opinion.)


If you wanted to talk about theism rather than religion then that is what you should have done. The word exists for a reason.
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noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
January 20 2008 04:29 GMT
#199
On January 20 2008 13:24 boghat wrote:
BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING

This guy is as smart as my cat and by that I mean my cat is as smart as 99.99% of the world but no one GIVES A FUCKING SHIT, including me.
Agreed.

Go and do something with that high IQ or no one's going to give a shit.
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 20 2008 04:31 GMT
#200
On January 20 2008 13:26 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 13:20 Funchucks wrote:
On January 20 2008 12:51 Jibba wrote:
[I agree that many forms of Buddhism are better classified as belief systems rather than religions, but they are still an atheist religion. The original point about it was that people mistakenly equate atheism to disbelief in religion, when it is really just disbelief in god(s).

"Religion" is a fuzzy term which often equates to "theism". Some claim science is a religion. Some claim Buddhism is not a religion.

This is a pointless semantic quibble. Words have to be interpreted in context, and my meaning was unambiguous. Just because "religion" is sometimes used to refer to non-theistic belief systems doesn't mean it's incorrect to use "religion" to denote "theism".

(And no, the dictionary definition won't help. People look at the way words are used and then write dictionaries, they don't read dictionaries and then build languages. A dictionary entry is just a summary of some scholar's considered opinion.)


If you wanted to talk about theism rather than religion then that is what you should have done. The word exists for a reason.

And if you wanted to have a pointless semantic argument based on your faulty understanding of how language works, rather than a meaningful discussion in which people try to understand each others' intended meanings, you should have gone to a random internet forum rather than come to this bastion of enlightened discourse.

Oh, wait... Nevermind.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 20 2008 04:48 GMT
#201
On January 20 2008 13:31 Funchucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 13:26 Mindcrime wrote:
On January 20 2008 13:20 Funchucks wrote:
On January 20 2008 12:51 Jibba wrote:
[I agree that many forms of Buddhism are better classified as belief systems rather than religions, but they are still an atheist religion. The original point about it was that people mistakenly equate atheism to disbelief in religion, when it is really just disbelief in god(s).

"Religion" is a fuzzy term which often equates to "theism". Some claim science is a religion. Some claim Buddhism is not a religion.

This is a pointless semantic quibble. Words have to be interpreted in context, and my meaning was unambiguous. Just because "religion" is sometimes used to refer to non-theistic belief systems doesn't mean it's incorrect to use "religion" to denote "theism".

(And no, the dictionary definition won't help. People look at the way words are used and then write dictionaries, they don't read dictionaries and then build languages. A dictionary entry is just a summary of some scholar's considered opinion.)


If you wanted to talk about theism rather than religion then that is what you should have done. The word exists for a reason.

And if you wanted to have a pointless semantic argument based on your faulty understanding of how language works, rather than a meaningful discussion in which people try to understand each others' intended meanings, you should have gone to a random internet forum rather than come to this bastion of enlightened discourse.

Oh, wait... Nevermind.


I have a faulty understanding of how language works? That's grand.
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 20 2008 05:03 GMT
#202
Barlow is back baby!
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sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
January 20 2008 05:47 GMT
#203
Didn't we have a thread on this douche a while ago? I'm pretty sure the consensus there was the same as here: he's kind of an idiot.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 20 2008 12:04 GMT
#204
On January 20 2008 03:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
how the fuck did he make the hardest iq test in the world

arent iq tests supposed to be objective.. so a guy with an iq of 120 would score 100 on this hard test? lol

annoying guy.. if iq is the apm in SC he's the heaven[30dom]

lol I bet almost no one got this ,but you're right on.

Heaven aka the former progamer 400+ apm terran who lost a cc to one tank against Elky because he never noticed it was under attack and never bothered to lift his cc.

All that apm/iq and jack shit to show for it.
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
January 20 2008 14:22 GMT
#205
He might not be the worlds smartest man, but he is probably the smartest representer of ID.

Fact: If you surround yourself with idiots everything you do seems smart.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 20 2008 14:35 GMT
#206
Theory: people who use the term "semantic" or "semantics" are idiots. Confirm?

Also, the 'smartest man' in this thread is just the 'highest scoring man at IQ tests'. I'm not going to give him any credibility beyond simply being great at IQ tests: he's not smart until he proves so in another way.
toopham
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States551 Posts
January 20 2008 15:14 GMT
#207
Is it just me... or he talk like he wants to take over the world?

he talk about having that few genius high scoring IQ ppl run the system and filtering out the bad genes. WHen ask who would faciliate such thing he answer he could do it and smartly say "it could even be you" which make him not seem so cocky but he is.

The guy is the next HITLER!!
DIE!!!
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
January 20 2008 15:25 GMT
#208
So he claims he never met someone more intelligent than him and that he has all the qualifications of a genius yet he has no achievements and he works in a bar.
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Prodigy[x]
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada207 Posts
January 20 2008 17:34 GMT
#209
Which just goes to show you it takes more than intelligence to get somewhere in life... maybe it's that thing called "hard work" my parents used to talk about.
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
January 20 2008 17:42 GMT
#210
On January 21 2008 02:34 Prodigy[x] wrote:
Which just goes to show you it takes more than intelligence to get somewhere in life... maybe it's that thing called "hard work" my parents used to talk about.

And hard work comes from ambition.

Without ambition all the intelligence in the world would do nothing. Its like buying a 3k $ comp and then just using it for word and browsing the internet.
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
January 20 2008 18:25 GMT
#211
On January 20 2008 21:04 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2008 03:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
how the fuck did he make the hardest iq test in the world

arent iq tests supposed to be objective.. so a guy with an iq of 120 would score 100 on this hard test? lol

annoying guy.. if iq is the apm in SC he's the heaven[30dom]

lol I bet almost no one got this ,but you're right on.

Heaven aka the former progamer 400+ apm terran who lost a cc to one tank against Elky because he never noticed it was under attack and never bothered to lift his cc.

All that apm/iq and jack shit to show for it.


i bet a lot of people got it. Good analogy, but the guy isnt a loser because hes a bouncer either. Hes happy with his life.
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
January 20 2008 18:52 GMT
#212
Wikipedia has a nice write up on the Intelligence Quotient and discontent with IQ as an objective measure of intelligence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ

Also, if you've 40 minutes to blow and would like a non-age based IQ exam, go here

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/iqtest.swf
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 20 2008 19:10 GMT
#213
I think some people in this thread are upset that their IQ isn't quite that high
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BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
January 20 2008 19:19 GMT
#214
man all this philosiphical "talks" makes me falla sleep -_-
koreakool
Profile Joined January 2008
United States334 Posts
January 20 2008 20:41 GMT
#215
I think this is very interesting. Listening to other people's thoughts on reality makes me wonder about it too. I believe we really are the same; to make this world a better place, we must treat everyone else the way we would want to be treated.
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-20 22:36:06
January 20 2008 22:34 GMT
#216
On January 19 2008 15:56 Tadzio00 wrote:
Its a shame that guy was abused as a child. Its seems clear how that's shaped his ideology especially in regards to authority. All that intellect and his biggest dream for himself and mankind is to create a rigid caste system where the intelligent (meaning, himself) control the fate of the "dunces" even more than they already do, and in fact institute a compulsory breeding program to remove the "dunces" from the genepool. He doesn't want to challenge or displace the authority that made his youth a hell, he wants to expand its scope and claim control over it. He even holds the belief that freedom should not be a right, but an earned privilege. No wonder he's a bouncer.

His ideas on how the world should be run are not new, and in many respects it's how the world is currently run. There is a popular belief among western intelligentsia and policy planners that the average man is an idiot who, once given proper democratic control over his own life, would destroy himself and his society as well.

"...the common interests very largely elude public opinion [...] and can be managed only by a specialized class" --Walter Lippmann, 1921.

This view, I think, is ridiculous and is merely a rationalization of power protecting itself. While it is true that your average man won't be tinkering around with unification theory, its also true that the vast majority of the world's most dangerous problems can be solved without any special technical thought.

What are the current threats to the species?

Were that the US had a functioning democracy, the "dunce" filled masses would've voted to be part of the Kyoto Protocol, which would help to mitigate global warming.

They'd also have voted to dismantle much of the Pentagon system, as well as most of the US' massive nuclear arsenal, which would reduce the threat of global nuclear war significantly, and would make blatant militarism much less common-- while we may've still invaded Iraq, we'd also have left after the Iraqis had elected their new government. The US masses would overwhelmingly believe we should work within the confines of international law, which would further limit US militarism and would probably have prevented the invasion of Iraq altogether. Etc etc.

To whatever extent pollution is a third threat to the species, by and large the most threatening pollution is created through industrial waste. Given the opportunity to vote on environmental regulations, the common man would, without a doubt, severely hamper industry's ability to pollute without consequence. If not banning the pollution outright, they would ask industry to shoulder the responsibility (and cost) for cleanup in the very least, which would have much the same effect as an outright ban.

The average person won't perform a research project to discover that the ozone layer is failing or pursue the causes, that's true, but once told the causes and the potential fallout, they will gladly work to correct the problem, if given the opportunity. Democracy can handle the problem, we just need more of it.


I don't agree with this at all. Its a very limited perspective on democracy and democratic government. Democracy as we have it in the western world is a highly specific cultural aritifact that dependson civic virtues and values which are decidely not universal. It is not a system that translates directly across different cultures.

Also, while its not true that the average person is an idiot, its quite true that the average person has little to no idea about the proper governance or actions of a nation-state conglomerate of millions of people, which again is a cultural artifact that no human being has innate evolved intelligence to deal with, unlike small-scale kin interactions.

100 years ago the "average person" would quite possibly have voted to make Christianity the official religion of the US. That doesnt seem to jibe with your current values. What makes you think that its any better now because some supposedly superior positions of yours might be validated by a mass vote?
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CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
January 20 2008 22:45 GMT
#217
I dont understand how you guys can all post that you have 135+ IQs in threads asking about them, then give this guy shit about having a 190+ IQ, if it doesn't matter than why is it that every single person on TL is in the top 5% of the world based on IQ.

And also for the record, the magazine was the first IQ test he took, he has taken others and scored off the charts on them giving him an unclear IQ.

Why does it matter that he hasn't done much for society. Why is he forced to be the person to change the world just because he is smarter than everyone else?

I dont understand most of you.
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
January 20 2008 22:45 GMT
#218
You guys are all smarter than 95% of the world, why aren't you changing shit?
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
January 20 2008 22:50 GMT
#219
On January 21 2008 07:45 CrownRoyal wrote:
You guys are all smarter than 95% of the world, why aren't you changing shit?



cause were all busy playing sc and watching vods
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 20 2008 22:57 GMT
#220
He doesn't have to change the world, but being a bouncer is pretty pathetic line of work when you claim to be as smart as he is. That's basically why everyone is giving him shit. Just being smart doesn't really get you much credibility, you need an education too, so you can do SOMETHING with your talent, not just waste it away.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
January 21 2008 14:49 GMT
#221
He obviously has taken other IQ tests, not just one in a magazine. LOL! And also, his CHILDHOOD ventures makes him 100% a genius in my opinion. How many of you could instinctively know the name of objects around you, or have a complex understanding of syntax at the age of 3? Regardless of how high this mans "IQ" is, you simply cannot deny the fact that is he a genius, or at least has superior intelligence to the vast majority of the population.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 21 2008 15:49 GMT
#222
On January 21 2008 23:49 Romance_us wrote:
How many of you could instinctively know the name of objects around you, or have a complex understanding of syntax at the age of 3?

If you instinctively know the names of objects around you, I think you must be the Kwisatz Haderach. Most of us have to hear someone say them first, or at least read them.

English! It's in your genes!
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
January 21 2008 16:28 GMT
#223
Funchucks I completely disagree with you, larvae should not have jetpacks.
I'll call Nada.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 21 2008 17:08 GMT
#224
On January 22 2008 01:28 lololol wrote:
Funchucks I completely disagree with you, larvae should not have jetpacks.


zerg larva

current role:
Turning into other units.

current flaws:
doesn't have a jetpack

+jetpack?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
January 21 2008 21:49 GMT
#225
Lol

How I missed jetpack dicussions
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RiOt-
Profile Joined January 2008
United States23 Posts
January 21 2008 22:43 GMT
#226
OMG THIS IS MY LIFE I MUST BE A GENIUS
ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-21 23:56:32
January 21 2008 23:54 GMT
#227
Wait, did that guy just steal me 20 minutes of my life because of a fucken 3-digit number? That retard believes in god and claims himself to be a genius because of a 3-digit number, screw him! I'm pretty sure I once knew a dog who was smarter than him.
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
January 22 2008 00:05 GMT
#228
He has 200+ IQ, and complains that he has to work in a bar because of monetary issues?

If you ask me, he's incredibly stupid if this is truly the case. He's been gifted with incredible problem solving, memory, visualization, and so on, and yet, with all these tools, he cannot do anything meaningful with his life, and cannot find a way to make ends meet without bouncing? What a fucking joke.

I'm 19, nowhere near 200+ IQ, haven't really ever had any brilliant ideas, and assuming I had no loans to pay off from college and dropped out, I could easily make ends meet without having to work in a violent environment. If he really hates being a bouncer as much as he says, he could easily get a security job anywhere else, for at least as much, if not more, money. And anyone who has ever worked security knows it's probably the easiest job to sit and think about shit and do whatever else you want all day.

He's basically just socially inept and jaded, partially due to being extremely arrogant, and partially because of his upbringing.
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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
January 22 2008 00:19 GMT
#229
On January 19 2008 12:35 Luddite wrote:
If his IQ really is that high, than this is more evidence that IQ is meaningless.

This, and all other posts in this thread like it only prove that people typically have no idea what IQ is, what it means, or why it's important.

IQ is a measure of cognitive development vs. chronological development. An IQ of 200 is incredible. It doesn't mean he's a prodigy, or that he can count grains of sand on a beach in four seconds, or that he can calculate "pi" out to 200 decimal places in his head.

It's a ratio between his chronological age and an estimate of where he should be cognitively.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
January 22 2008 00:59 GMT
#230
On January 19 2008 16:32 Jibba wrote:

Honestly, why would you choose a distracted idiot to make a decision for you when there's a devoted smart person who could make it?


Because people like to make decisions for themselves.
sex appeal
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
January 22 2008 01:23 GMT
#231
He either was told not to go into detail any of his thought processes because this was an average TV show with average viewers who would probably find a highly demanding program very boring and immediately switch -OR- he really is not as smart as he (or others) claims to be.

I mean he's obviously smarter than an average person but after watching all three videos I really am not feeling the "omg this guy is so smart his intellectual prowess is forcing me to my knees i feel totally useless in his presence" thing. I had a few math teachers who were -in my experience, having lived 19 years- the smartest people i've ever met. I had a math teacher who would be writing on the board then it gets to a point where two double digit numbers needed to be multiplied and he could do it in his head. sometimes even triple digit multiplied by double digit. another teacher was pretty good at chess and would take a look at my chess game and say "5 moves to checkmate" then walk away and this one time i called bullshit cuz i thought no way he could know that then he showed me exactly which moves to make to checkmate the other guy and then went back and explained every other possible move that could have been made and why it would result in checkmate as well. i was literally speechless.

this Langan guy didn't even come close to that. he seems like the kind of guy who has too much freetime and just sits and lets his brain churn away. given enough time to think about certain things he gets there but in no way is he a "genius".

last two things I would like to point out that have been bugging me and I think is fundamentally the flaw here.

1) the test he did came from a magazine. and EVEN IF he did a "real" IQ test, to me it's still just an indicator of how good someone is at doing the specific "IQ test shit" like number patterns, shapes etc.

2) and this has been reeeeeaally bugging me. how. in a FLYING FUCK could he NOT get ANY other job than a fuckin.

bouncer.

a bouncer? thats his JOB?

sorry but im really not buying it.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
January 22 2008 01:31 GMT
#232
On January 22 2008 09:19 rpf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 12:35 Luddite wrote:
If his IQ really is that high, than this is more evidence that IQ is meaningless.

This, and all other posts in this thread like it only prove that people typically have no idea what IQ is, what it means, or why it's important.

IQ is a measure of cognitive development vs. chronological development. An IQ of 200 is incredible. It doesn't mean he's a prodigy, or that he can count grains of sand on a beach in four seconds, or that he can calculate "pi" out to 200 decimal places in his head.

It's a ratio between his chronological age and an estimate of where he should be cognitively.


You're a moron for insulting other people's understanding of what IQ means when you yourself have no clue whatsoever. This meaning of results of an IQ test is the one originally used, and is still used for children.

For adults, however, IQ has nothing to do with mental age/chronological age. IQ for adults is an indication of where you sit on a bell curve of adults taking the IQ test.

Stop making ignorant as hell statements.
www.infinityseven.net
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
January 23 2008 19:43 GMT
#233
On January 22 2008 08:54 ForAdun wrote:
Wait, did that guy just steal me 20 minutes of my life because of a fucken 3-digit number? That retard believes in god and claims himself to be a genius because of a 3-digit number, screw him! I'm pretty sure I once knew a dog who was smarter than him.


He doesn't believe in God on a religious level, you clearly did not understand the video or pay any attention to it. The only person who looks dumb here now is you.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
January 24 2008 01:35 GMT
#234
On January 19 2008 15:19 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 14:38 Rev0lution wrote:
he believs in the god of the gaps, what is more to say?


the universe exist blah blah so who created the universe?

haha LOL I g0t j00 there huh?

therefore god exist.

Do you even read what he said on the videos or did any research WHATSOEVER?


I agree. Take a look @ every single one of Revolution's comments in every single post he has made and there should be a trend of empty words.
Multiply your efforts.
GeneralZap
Profile Joined January 2008
United States172 Posts
January 25 2008 12:47 GMT
#235
Derren Brown could probably make him think he's retarded, or make him think Derren Brown is phsychic.
Death has lost its sting.
dAemon(1]
Profile Joined September 2007
14 Posts
January 25 2008 15:53 GMT
#236
perhaps he just knows something we dont, perhaps money isn't worth it to him and the other benefits he got from being a bar bouncer outweighed the monetary gains. thinking in his ivory tower was satisfying enough to him. also recently he has gotten more notoriety and has a foundation that supports highly gifted individuals.
bah
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-25 17:08:58
January 25 2008 17:04 GMT
#237
anyone waht's the name of that physics professor who sits in a wheelchair and can only use 1 finger?

I saw an episode of the simpsons featuring him saying he has over 230iq. I think i belief a famous professor who has a 200+ iq, than a bouncer

OO found him, he's name stephen hawking.

GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 25 2008 18:41 GMT
#238
On January 24 2008 10:35 kdog3683 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 15:19 ilj.psa wrote:
On January 19 2008 14:38 Rev0lution wrote:
he believs in the god of the gaps, what is more to say?


the universe exist blah blah so who created the universe?

haha LOL I g0t j00 there huh?

therefore god exist.

Do you even read what he said on the videos or did any research WHATSOEVER?


I agree. Take a look @ every single one of Revolution's comments in every single post he has made and there should be a trend of empty words.



he will get his.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
January 25 2008 18:43 GMT
#239
Stephen Hawking hasn't taken a test, but the estimate for his IQ is 160.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
January 25 2008 20:37 GMT
#240
On January 26 2008 03:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Stephen Hawking hasn't taken a test, but the estimate for his IQ is 160.


That can't be right, the average TL.neter on the other threat are around 170+. are you telling me everybody here in this forum are smarter than stephen hawkings?
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-26 04:41:11
January 26 2008 04:38 GMT
#241
LOL. Donald trump's smartness > this guy.
Making money > youtube crap

any guy who does like to do scientific research can make good theories, its just a matter of how much time you invest doing research. There are many ways to show smartness. It takes a smart guy to make money after being bankrupt 3 rimes, and become super rich. It takes a smart guy to get the independece of a country without using violence. It takes smartness to actually learn something from school. This guy is just one more..
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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 26 2008 04:44 GMT
#242
Donald Trump was born rich and would probably be about as rich as he is now if he just put his trust fund money and inheritances into a decent mutual fund.

Making money is hard. Turning money into more money is easy.
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 26 2008 05:03 GMT
#243
On January 26 2008 03:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Stephen Hawking hasn't taken a test, but the estimate for his IQ is 160.

not true its over 200
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
January 26 2008 05:09 GMT
#244
On January 26 2008 14:03 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2008 03:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Stephen Hawking hasn't taken a test, but the estimate for his IQ is 160.

not true its over 200 9000!

I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
pice20
Profile Joined February 2008
Senegal4 Posts
February 06 2008 19:40 GMT
#245

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I believe we can move from here. I am waiting for your mail to my email address above.(Remeber the distance or colour does not matter but love matters alot in life )
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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 06 2008 22:22 GMT
#246
HELLO PICE
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 07 2008 01:28 GMT
#247
The thread title is misleading. The word "intelligence" is subjective, and doesn't have a single, encompassing definition. Depending on your own interpretation of the word, a person I find "intelligent" another may pass off as a dunce.

On the other hand, he has the highest measured IQ that I'm aware of. However, the IQ scale is neither accurate, nor significant of much. The IQ scale is nothing more than a scaled grading system of a timed test that tests your chronological age versus your "mental" age. So, if, cognitively, you're expected to be where you are, you'll have an estimated IQ of 100. If you're a bit "ahead," you'll have an IQ of above 100. If you're "behind," your IQ will be below 100.

But then again, to the best of my knowledge, there is not a single standardized or widely-accepted test by professionals that is valid, simply because they are racially-biased.

In conclusion, this man is not the "smartest" person in the world simply because the terms used to describe him as such are baseless, lack empirical support, and are sensationalized.

He may have the highest IQ on record, but that doesn't make him smart.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10535 Posts
February 07 2008 04:02 GMT
#248
didnt he say ultra high IQ people have big responsibilities yet this douche is a fucking bouncer doing absolutely nothing but rambling about how superior are his perceptions of reality.


I dont judge him for misusing his intelligence but for being an hypocrite
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Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
February 07 2008 04:27 GMT
#249
On January 26 2008 05:37 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2008 03:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Stephen Hawking hasn't taken a test, but the estimate for his IQ is 160.


That can't be right, the average TL.neter on the other threat are around 170+. are you telling me everybody here in this forum are smarter than stephen hawkings?

the average iq of nearly any community i think could not be 170, let alone TL -who cares about iq anyways, it only mesures capacity for learning
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
February 07 2008 05:30 GMT
#250
Man I was expecting him to display some of his awesomeness and all I got are words.
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Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
February 07 2008 16:15 GMT
#251
200 iq and he's a bartender.

gG.
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Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-07 19:48:53
February 07 2008 19:47 GMT
#252
This man is no longer a bouncer by the way. This interview is old. He owns a farm that he runs with his wife. They started a society called the Mega Society that harnesses young geniuses and their ideas.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
February 07 2008 21:46 GMT
#253
On February 07 2008 13:27 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2008 05:37 rei wrote:
On January 26 2008 03:43 GeneralStan wrote:
Stephen Hawking hasn't taken a test, but the estimate for his IQ is 160.


That can't be right, the average TL.neter on the other threat are around 170+. are you telling me everybody here in this forum are smarter than stephen hawkings?

the average iq of nearly any community i think could not be 170, let alone TL -who cares about iq anyways, it only mesures capacity for learning

I would say average on TL (which is a VERY above average community is around 130ish with a lot of 120s and 140s and a few like me in the 130s
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
February 07 2008 21:48 GMT
#254
On February 08 2008 04:47 Romance_us wrote:
that harnesses young geniuses and their ideas.


lol, why am I doubting that "harnesses" is the right word? :p
wtf was that signature
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 07 2008 22:01 GMT
#255
On February 08 2008 01:15 Bub wrote:
200 iq and he's a bartender.

gG.

Well, it's not like his IQ has any direct bearing on his choice of profession. After making a statement like that, I think it's safe to say you won't be joining his society of intellectually elite.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-07 22:10:29
February 07 2008 22:08 GMT
#256
On February 08 2008 07:01 rpf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2008 01:15 Bub wrote:
200 iq and he's a bartender.

gG.

Well, it's not like his IQ has any direct bearing on his choice of profession. After making a statement like that, I think it's safe to say you won't be joining his society of intellectually elite.


I take it you're from romania.

gG.
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Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
February 08 2008 22:33 GMT
#257
On February 08 2008 07:08 Bub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2008 07:01 rpf wrote:
On February 08 2008 01:15 Bub wrote:
200 iq and he's a bartender.

gG.

Well, it's not like his IQ has any direct bearing on his choice of profession. After making a statement like that, I think it's safe to say you won't be joining his society of intellectually elite.


I take it you're from romania.

gG.


Epic fail...
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
February 09 2008 00:13 GMT
#258
On February 09 2008 07:33 Romance_us wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2008 07:08 Bub wrote:
On February 08 2008 07:01 rpf wrote:
On February 08 2008 01:15 Bub wrote:
200 iq and he's a bartender.

gG.

Well, it's not like his IQ has any direct bearing on his choice of profession. After making a statement like that, I think it's safe to say you won't be joining his society of intellectually elite.


I take it you're from romania.

gG.


Epic fail...


Wow way to bump up a dead topic

gG.
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