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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
June 28 2025 21:47 GMT
#16501
On June 28 2025 18:37 Excludos wrote:
https://kyivindependent.com/despite-escalating-war-plans-putin-claims-russia-will-cut-military-spending-starting-in-2026/

The cracks are finally starting to show. Their wartime economy just was not sustainable for the long run.

If I had a penny for every time I heard that I'd be richer than the Russian central bank by now.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8042 Posts
June 28 2025 22:29 GMT
#16502
On June 29 2025 06:47 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2025 18:37 Excludos wrote:
https://kyivindependent.com/despite-escalating-war-plans-putin-claims-russia-will-cut-military-spending-starting-in-2026/

The cracks are finally starting to show. Their wartime economy just was not sustainable for the long run.

If I had a penny for every time I heard that I'd be richer than the Russian central bank by now.


Ok, but do you have a penny for every time Russia admits they are in trouble? You'd think that would maybe perhaps possibly be noteworthy..?
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
900 Posts
June 28 2025 22:29 GMT
#16503
The war chest is shrinking super fast. My big question is how will their economy work when the war ends. Now you have to deal with all these soldiers who are injured both physically and mentally. Then you have put almost no money into infrastructure or future production (other than military which won't be needed). They can limp along for quite a while as Sim points out, well the war is going on. Post war is going to be a different story.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8042 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-28 22:36:52
June 28 2025 22:35 GMT
#16504
On June 29 2025 07:29 Billyboy wrote:
The war chest is shrinking super fast. My big question is how will their economy work when the war ends. Now you have to deal with all these soldiers who are injured both physically and mentally. Then you have put almost no money into infrastructure or future production (other than military which won't be needed). They can limp along for quite a while as Sim points out, well the war is going on. Post war is going to be a different story.


If they are left alone, it will be a slow and long process for sure. With outside investment, it's a different story. Ukraine, for instance, is likely to be able to rebuild themselves very quickly, especially seeing as a lot of the support they're getting is already earmarked for rebuilding. How people will approach Russia is much more difficult to tell. In one way it feels like well deserved karma to just let them deal with their problems. Simultaneously, a boost of western influence through huge outside investments might be just what is needed to start aligning them with western culture, and perhaps finally stop this ridiculous feud. A bit like how differently we treated Germany after WW1 compared to after WW2. Also, we all know just how difficult it will be to hold people back when there's money to be made..
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
900 Posts
June 28 2025 22:50 GMT
#16505
On June 29 2025 07:35 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2025 07:29 Billyboy wrote:
The war chest is shrinking super fast. My big question is how will their economy work when the war ends. Now you have to deal with all these soldiers who are injured both physically and mentally. Then you have put almost no money into infrastructure or future production (other than military which won't be needed). They can limp along for quite a while as Sim points out, well the war is going on. Post war is going to be a different story.


If they are left alone, it will be a slow and long process for sure. With outside investment, it's a different story. Ukraine, for instance, is likely to be able to rebuild themselves very quickly, especially seeing as a lot of the support they're getting is already earmarked for rebuilding. How people will approach Russia is much more difficult to tell. In one way it feels like well deserved karma to just let them deal with their problems. Simultaneously, a boost of western influence through huge outside investments might be just what is needed to start aligning them with western culture, and perhaps finally stop this ridiculous feud. A bit like how differently we treated Germany after WW1 compared to after WW2. Also, we all know just how difficult it will be to hold people back when there's money to be made..

I'm not sure, it works unless Putin is gone. I actually have been thinking a fair bit that we need to stop calling the group that opposes Russia/China/Iran/Venezuela "the west". Not only because there are countries from the east in it, but also because what it really comes down to is democracies vs dictators. Form a purely marketing standpoint, which sadly we have seen matters a whole bunch, I think being mad at "the west" is a lot easier than it is to be mad at the democracies.

Pointing out that all Russian allies are from all edges of political spectrum and what brings them together is authoritarian would in my mind make it clearer especially to the MAGA type which is the good guys and which is the bad guys. Lots of them think DJT is freedom and since he has liked Putin he must be fighting for freedom from the woke or whatever.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3314 Posts
6 hours ago
#16506
It seems Russia is ramping up the bombing war.
Predictable response given limited progress on the ground.
That's one area where they may be able to genuinely out-attrition Ukraine, the crucial question being if they can keep it up long term.
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