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Billyboy
1648 Posts
On June 18 2025 04:51 Excludos wrote: Can't wait to see these two countries with failing militaries somehow defend each other against superior enemies in each of their own conflicts that they themselves started. Its a bold strategy cotton, lets see how it works out. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
https://www.barrons.com/news/trump-tells-putin-to-end-ukraine-war-before-mediating-iran-israel-d14475c0 I wonder what Putin did behind the scenes. Trump seems to have had a less than stellar relationship with him this last month | ||
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Billyboy
1648 Posts
On June 19 2025 03:14 Excludos wrote: Orange cheeto actually said something reasonable for once.. https://www.barrons.com/news/trump-tells-putin-to-end-ukraine-war-before-mediating-iran-israel-d14475c0 I wonder what Putin did behind the scenes. Trump seems to have had a less than stellar relationship with him this last month Who ever talked to Trump last before he said that is someone we need around Trump more. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2444 Posts
On June 19 2025 03:14 Excludos wrote: Orange cheeto actually said something reasonable for once.. https://www.barrons.com/news/trump-tells-putin-to-end-ukraine-war-before-mediating-iran-israel-d14475c0 I wonder what Putin did behind the scenes. Trump seems to have had a less than stellar relationship with him this last month Trump is still downsizing aid to Ukraine and quietly removing sanctions against key Putin allies. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5784 Posts
Putin repeated that he considered Russians and Ukrainians to be “one people” and 'in that sense the whole of Ukraine is ours'... 'We have a saying, or a parable,' Putin said during the plenary panel session. 'Where the foot of a Russian soldier steps, that is ours.' You'd hope our local peacemongers would take note when Putin himself makes such admissions. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1338 Posts
It's very depressing, Iran news have pushed Ukraine to the side and now Trump can just stop aid and let Putin do whatever he wants with an excuse how they are too busy and engaged over there. We can only hope that Europe stops being indecisive and shitty and actually refocuses efforts on our backyard while ignoring the shitshow that Israel started but I have a sinking feeling they are all aboard the war against Iran train and it will have catastrophic consequences for Europe. | ||
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pmp10
3395 Posts
On June 21 2025 21:07 Jankisa wrote: We can only hope that Europe stops being indecisive and shitty and actually refocuses efforts on our backyard while ignoring the shitshow that Israel started but I have a sinking feeling they are all aboard the war against Iran train and it will have catastrophic consequences for Europe. 'Catastrophic' might be a little overdramatic. The worst that might hit Europe is more migration waves and maybe a short oil price shock. Unlike US, EU will suffer no image or reputation loss in the Iranian mess. | ||
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Xophy
Germany79 Posts
On June 22 2025 01:06 pmp10 wrote: 'Catastrophic' might be a little overdramatic. The worst that might hit Europe is more migration waves and maybe a short oil price shock. Unlike US, EU will suffer no image or reputation loss in the Iranian mess. I guess Jankisa means it will be catastrophic for Europe to ignore the Ukrainian war ... | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1338 Posts
The huge wave of terrorist attacks, the immigration wave that caused a huge shift in European politics towards right wing parties, all of these were the consequences of the last time US was joined by European countries. There were huge terrorist attacks in 2 of those countries (Madrid and London) and a swath of follow up terrorism over the next 15 years all across Europe. I don't know about you guys, but that is the only period that I honestly felt unsafe when visiting large European cities and I really, really don't want to go back to that because of Trump and Nethyanahu. The other consequence of these actions being used to justify that "might makes right" only emboldens guys like Putin and the consequences of that will also be felt all across the world. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7142 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11798 Posts
On June 24 2025 17:25 Harris1st wrote: EU doesn't have much stake or say in the middle east. Lets hope they keep beeing concentrated on the problems on the front door We have a lot of stake there. When the US fucks shit up in the middle east, we get lots of refugees, which leads to lots of rightwing politics. We just don't have any power to influence stuff, but we definitively feel the consequences. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1338 Posts
Look at the state of the tariff negotiations, look at the lack of any unity or forcefulness (which is the only thing guys like Trump understand) from the EU leaders. If they slapped a 10 % tariff on digital services as soon as Trump started with this shit he'd get pressure from real money in US and run away with his tail between his legs, but they didn't, they keep flattering him and doing nothing. Look at their approach to Ukraine/Russia negotiations, they let him run the show while providing meek statements and committing to nothing. Look at them dealing with Orban, they let him have his state TV call them satan basically and despite him blocking so many different important things in EU they never made a move to actually punish him. They hope the problems will go away on their own, they might be right in some cases but a lot of the time they don't, the problems get bigger and blow up in our face (ie Ukraine 2014.). | ||
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Sent.
Poland9292 Posts
None of the above should disrupt our (almost) united stance toward Russia and Ukraine. It's not like we have troops near Ukraine that need or could be sent to the Middle East. Iran chose to support Russia. They shouldn't expect any sympathy now. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11798 Posts
On June 24 2025 23:49 Sent. wrote: Macron's recent attempts of having a say looked horrible but sooner or later Europe will discuss common sanctions against Israel in response to events in Palestine. I don't think much can be done in regard to Iran. It's better to state that openly instead of siding with the US and Israel since those two clearly aren't interested in consulting anything with Europoors. None of the above should disrupt our (almost) united stance toward Russia and Ukraine. It's not like we have troops near Ukraine that need or could be sent to the Middle East. Iran chose to support Russia. They shouldn't expect any sympathy now. You won't get common EU sanctions with Germany unquestioningly supporting Israel due to holocaust history. It is utterly twisted, but some people think that due to that horror we now have a duty to always support Israel no matter what they do. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9292 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
The cracks are finally starting to show. Their wartime economy just was not sustainable for the long run. Also have to laugh at the insane logic twist on Putin's comment: "So Nato is increasing their military budget as a response to us invading our neighbors. Who's the aggressor now, eh?!". Even if we follow his insane logic, that means that Russia was the aggressor when they increased their military spendings in 2022.. | ||
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0x64
Finland4612 Posts
On June 28 2025 18:37 Excludos wrote: https://kyivindependent.com/despite-escalating-war-plans-putin-claims-russia-will-cut-military-spending-starting-in-2026/ The cracks are finally starting to show. Their wartime economy just was not sustainable for the long run. Also have to laugh at the insane logic twist on Putin's comment: "So Nato is increasing their military budget as a response to us invading our neighbors. Who's the aggressor now, eh?!". Even if we follow his insane logic, that means that Russia was the aggressor when they increased their military spendings in 2022.. The economy tends to get stuck in negative feedback loops write easily. That's why people starts predicting collapses way to early and when they happen, no one expected it because it went all in one day. It starts the day you want your money from the bank and you can't get it. Nothing works better than realizing you've been scammed by a billionaire dictator. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On June 29 2025 04:58 0x64 wrote: The economy tends to get stuck in negative feedback loops write easily. That's why people starts predicting collapses way to early and when they happen, no one expected it because it went all in one day. It starts the day you want your money from the bank and you can't get it. Nothing works better than realizing you've been scammed by a billionaire dictator. There are signs you can follow. We know the Russian Central bank struggled with financing itself last hear. Honestly, my prediction was that they would be in trouble by the end of this year, but seeing as they're not ramping down until next year, they had a little bit more steam than I anticipated (not impossibly because of the boost the Ruble got from Trump being elected president) Not that economy is easy by any means, but if you know what to look for, it shouldn't come as a surprise. It's just that most people don't (including very much myself. That's why I listen to those who do) | ||
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Simberto
Germany11798 Posts
On June 29 2025 05:10 Excludos wrote: There are signs you can follow. We know the Russian Central bank struggled with financing itself last hear. Honestly, my prediction was that they would be in trouble by the end of this year, but seeing as they're not ramping down until next year, they had a little bit more steam than I anticipated (not impossibly because of the boost the Ruble got from Trump being elected president) Not that economy is easy by any means, but if you know what to look for, it shouldn't come as a surprise. It's just that most people don't (including very much myself. That's why I listen to those who do) It is also worth mentioning that you can keep a war economy going for a long time when a civilian economy would have collapsed already. You are basically mortgaging anything in the future in a variety of way for "the victory". Which sounds totally fair if you think that the victory is necessary for the survival of the nation. Also, most people are willing to accept far more hardships in wartime than in peace. Just consider how much punishment the German economy could take in WW1 and WW2, and for how long. Most of "the economy" is producing and doing stuff for people that makes their lives better. If you decide that you no longer need any of that stuff, and the population accepts that decision because it is war, you can do with a lot less economy. People can absolutely live without cars, without fridges, with worse food, with less heating, less or no fuel. The breaking point is not some natural point in the economy, the breaking point is when the people are no longer willing to take it. | ||
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