EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 81
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
North Korea and Syria strongly objected, as well as Russia itself. That should tell you everything you could ever need to know about Russia. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11508 Posts
On April 08 2022 00:31 0x64 wrote: Aah no, it would be the best time to join NATO. I am now in the minority that think joining NATO is not necessary and seeing how the Russian army is doing, it is even less feeling like a threat. The whole Ukraine used to be "Russia" talk is very weird for Finns because large part of Finland are still located in Russia, they haven't even bothered renaming the places, you can literally tell the old historic boundary by place names. I think that after WW2, a lot of european countries finally figured out that the only way to have peace is to no longer care what used to be part of what country before. Because otherwise everyone has a claim on everything, and start a war whenever they feel stronger, which leads to lots of stupid wars. So Germany accepts that parts of what used to be Germany are now Poland, Italy accepts that parts of what used to be the Roman Empire are now basically everything else around the Mediterranean. Stuff like that. I think that this is a very good principle, because the other way is stupid and leads to absurd amounts of suffering. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On April 08 2022 01:54 Simberto wrote: I think that after WW2, a lot of european countries finally figured out that the only way to have peace is to no longer care what used to be part of what country before. Because otherwise everyone has a claim on everything, and start a war whenever they feel stronger, which leads to lots of stupid wars. So Germany accepts that parts of what used to be Germany are now Poland, Italy accepts that parts of what used to be the Roman Empire are now basically everything else around the Mediterranean. Stuff like that. I think that this is a very good principle, because the other way is stupid and leads to absurd amounts of suffering. I’m in Argentina right now and it was Malvina’s (Falkland’s) war day last week. The amount of bitterness and nationalism over that spit of land they would do nothing with anyway is absolutely astonishing. Argentinians have fought a war and been absolutely obsessed with those two rocks for 40 years for no other reason than a stubborn refusal to move on and lots and lots of misplaced national pride. They make 5 years olds draw propaganda drawings over those fucking islands. It’s really disturbing. And then they complain that the british are mean and not open to negociation. It’s so dumb it’s weird. For reference, it’s been an argentinian possession for 20 years in the early XIXth century, then in the 1850’s, the british put a flag on it and since then there are 2000 british fishermen living there who last time they were asked said at 97% they wanted to stay british. They have no city, no industry, no ressources, nothing. If everyone had this attitude, we would be fighting world war 23 by now. | ||
KwarK
United States42689 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On April 08 2022 04:01 KwarK wrote: It’s pure propaganda manufactured by the fascist military junta to redirect from their failings. Somehow the military junta fell but the Falklands thing endured. They never were Argentinian and are nowhere near Argentina. They were claimed by Spain at one point and Argentina is claiming they inherited that claim but it’s nonsense. The United States might as well claim dominion over Ireland on the basis that they inherited British claims to it after independence. Just shows the power of propaganda. Yeah. And then every single government since has exploited that weird fervour because that’d just easy distraction for all that’s fucked up in the country. Hell an argentinian friend of mine who was educated in France, is super, duper smart, as anti militarist as it gets, told me the other day it was like Alsace Lorraine in France in 1914, which has to be the most outlandish and weird comparison i’ve ever heard. There is nothing rational there. It’s pure emotion, of the worst kind, and it has somewhat become an integral part of the country psyche. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11508 Posts
On April 08 2022 06:15 Manit0u wrote: I wish more conflicts were like Canada vs Denmark over Hans Island. They just go over there, change the flag to theirs and leave a bottle of whiskey for the other side who do the same (so the flag is changed from time to time). Does this mean that Canada and Denmark wouldn't be able to join Nato if they applied today? | ||
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0x64
Finland4555 Posts
On April 08 2022 15:15 Simberto wrote: Does this mean that Canada and Denmark wouldn't be able to join Nato if they applied today? It is not a conflict, it is a alcoholic beverage special operation | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Finland seized tens of millions of dollars worth of artwork on its way to Russia due to the European Union sanctions imposed on the country. Finnish Customs announced Wednesday the agency took hold of the artwork between April 1 and April 2. The paintings and sculptures were in three shipments that came from Italy and Japan, passing through Finland on its way to Russia. The E.U. sanctions on Russia include a ban of the transportation of works of arts, allowing Finland to seize the property. “It is important that the enforcement of sanctions works effectively,” Sami Rakshit, Director of Finnish Customs’ Enforcement Department, said. “The enforcement of sanctions is part of our normal operations and we always direct our controls based on risks. The shipments that have now come under criminal investigation were detected as part of our customary enforcement work.” Reuters reports the artwork was worth $46 million, with Russia claiming the works were loaned to Italy. The artwork came from The Hermitage Museum and Tsarskoye Selo state museum in St. Petersburg, along with the State Tretyakov Gallery in Moscow, Russian-state media reported, per Reuters. The seizure of the artworks adds to a long list of Russian properties that have been sanctioned and captured by the West. The U.S. government, aided Spanish authorities, seized the yacht of a Russian oligarch this week, the first such seizure after a pledge by President Biden to go after elites’ “ill-begotten gains.” Source | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
I guess it’s unsurprising, considering. | ||
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Mirelle
Russian Federation20 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
On April 08 2022 23:14 Biff The Understudy wrote: Its wrong and soldiers shouldn't be doing it but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why Ukrainians might not be to kind when they capture Russian soldiers who have been shelling their women and children.Looks like both sides are quite liberally executing prisonners and that on top of well documented russian war crimes, there are quite solid proofs that ukrainian soldiers have also murdered prisonners. I guess it’s unsurprising, considering. We like to make up rules and pretend to make war more 'civilised' but if war came to our homes, we'd act the same. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
On April 08 2022 23:57 Gorsameth wrote: Its wrong and soldiers shouldn't be doing it but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why Ukrainians might not be to kind when they capture Russian soldiers who have been shelling their women and children. We like to make up rules and pretend to make war more 'civilised' but if war came to our homes, we'd act the same. My ethics has an easy time allowing the people being invaded to do whatever they damn please with people they capture. Fundamentally none of this would be happening if Russian soldiers didn't make a conscious decision to step into sovereign territory and begin killing people. | ||
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warrior4093
100 Posts
On April 09 2022 00:19 Mohdoo wrote: My ethics has an easy time allowing the people being invaded to do whatever they damn please with people they capture. Fundamentally none of this would be happening if Russian soldiers didn't make a conscious decision to step into sovereign territory and begin killing people. if you want to turn into a monster that your enemy is , then sure thats a great way, i will remind you that despite 500k murders and nearly 200k rapes in Bangladesh (happened over a few months) , the surrendered 93000 soldiers of Pakistani military were safely returned to their home in 1971 , Bangladeshis chose not to abandon their humanity , they did not want to satisfy their enemy by turning in to the same monsters they were fighting . being human in face of adversity and brutality is what makes us a better persona , a better human . once you commit murder and execution , the blood lust twists your mind and warps your sense of morality, there is a reason so many soldiers suffers from PTSD . | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On April 08 2022 23:14 Biff The Understudy wrote: Looks like both sides are quite liberally executing prisonners and that on top of well documented russian war crimes, there are quite solid proofs that ukrainian soldiers have also murdered prisonners. I guess it’s unsurprising, considering. Unsurprising, and as long as those are soldiers idgaf. It would be heavily naive to think that invading forces with clears cleansing intentions will be met with flowers. No more bounty for surrendering russian troops or were those guys some looters/rapists/murderers. There will be no safe heaven but the grave. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4729 Posts
On April 08 2022 23:14 Biff The Understudy wrote: Looks like both sides are quite liberally executing prisonners and that on top of well documented russian war crimes, there are quite solid proofs that ukrainian soldiers have also murdered prisonners. I guess it’s unsurprising, considering. Liberally? Do You have links to some more reports besides the one video that was widely circulated? | ||
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Mirelle
Russian Federation20 Posts
Yes, its understandable, but this is the best present to Russian propagandists - they turn them into perfect agitation material. Even the start of this conflict in 2014 was marked by a tragic incident in Odessa, where 50 pro-russian citizens have died in a fire incident - and the propaganda turned it into an intentional slaughter, which allowed them to assemble squads of former military willing to revenge and fight in Donbass. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
On April 09 2022 01:56 Mirelle wrote: I find "but the Russians will use it for propaganda" kind of pointless when Russia has no problem lying and fabricating their own 'evidence' if they feel the need.I've seen several such videos. Yes, its understandable, but this is the best present to Russian propagandists - they turn them into perfect agitation material. Even the start of this conflict in 2014 was marked by a tragic incident in Odessa, where 50 pro-russian citizens have died in a fire incident - and the propaganda turned it into an intentional slaughter, which allowed them to assemble squads of former military willing to revenge and fight in Donbass. | ||
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