Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 80

On April 05 2022 04:53 Simberto wrote:

It makes sense once you realize what they mean with "Nazism". "Nazism" as the current russian rulers see it isn't actually related to Nazis, WW2, or anything of the sort. Putin would probably be quite happy dealing with Hitler, as there seems to be quite a lot of overlap between the ideology of Putin and what was going on in the early days of the Third Reich.

"Nazism" here is anything anyone does that Putin doesn't like, or anything at all a country or people which Putin wishes to attack does. He just calls it Nazism because he knows people don't like Nazis.

On April 06 2022 01:21 Erasme wrote:

It's actually magnitudes worse. They found mass graves and random people who got killed on a whim of a tank driver. The mass graves indicates that the orders were coming from high above, as a simple captain doesn't have the authority required (especially in the russian army). The random bodies indicate how the average russian soldier feels about ukr.
It's an atrocity committed by the entire russian machine, from the very top to the very bottom.
Their defense is the same as in Syria, it's so obvious that anyone repeating it seriously should be branded as a russian asset.


I dont even want to start thinking about the horrors we will discover in Mariupol

April 6 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Wednesday said the United States will not participate in "a number of meetings" of the Group of 20 largest global economies if Russia is a participant because of its invasion of Ukraine.

"President Biden's made it clear, and I certainly agree with him, that it cannot be business as usual for Russia in any of the financial institutions. He's asked that Russia be removed from the G20, and I've made clear to my colleagues in Indonesia that we will not be participating in a number of meetings if the Russians" are present, Yellen said in testimony to the House Financial Services Committee.

On April 06 2022 04:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

It's more of the case that they are not threatened by Russia, ergo from their point of view have no reason to care. Russia is not going to invade China, or cross the Atlantic to invade Brazil. Nothing to do with colonial history. Brazil in particular is completely without any geopolitical adversary.

It's hard to see why Brazil or India or China would see Ukraine in a negative light, itself a victim of Russian Imperialism, simply because it happens that Britain or Portugal happens to be one of the many European countries which have enforced economic sanctions of Russia. It's not as if any of these countries have a bad relationship with UK or Portugal. India for instance happily buys billions of US dollars worth of military equipment from UK. Interestingly both China and India also buy Russian military equipment, in particular China appears to have interest in Russian turbine technology and India in Russian missile technology. Both I assume will be happy to buy Russian miltech and oil on the cheap.

Besides, the idea that Chinese, Indian and Brazilian leadership believes Russian propaganda aimed at the Russian domestic audience, and are acting upon it is ridiculous. No political leadership from any country beleives the rubbish Russia spews, least of all the Russian political leadership themselves.

On April 07 2022 17:42 Harris1st wrote:
I don't know how serious the source is

https://inews.co.uk/news/russia-accused-war-crimes-cover-up-mobile-crematorium-destroy-bodies-ukraine-1560191

On April 07 2022 22:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


That was first reported when Russia was massing troops at the border.

A Russian lawmaker has warned that Moscow would retaliate if Finland joins NATO as Russian aggression in Ukraine spurs the Nordic country towards membership of the alliance.

Vladimir Dzhabarov from Russia's upper house, the Federation Council, said that any move by Helsinki to join NATO would be a "strategic mistake."

He said that Finland had developed close ties with Russia but NATO membership would mean "it would become a target."

"I think it [would be] a terrible tragedy for the entire Finnish people," said Dzhabarov.

However, he said that it was unlikely that "the Finns themselves will sign a card for the destruction of their country," in comments reported on Wednesday by Russian state-owned domestic news agency RIA Novosti.

The Finnish foreign ministry told Newsweek in a statement that it "does not comment on the statements of individual MPs."

Newsweek has contacted the Russian foreign ministry for comment.

It is only the latest threat made to Finland about NATO membership, with the expansion of the alliance towards Russia's borders one of the reasons used by President Vladimir Putin for the war in Ukraine.

Sergei Belyayev, head of the Russian foreign ministry's European department, said in March there would be "serious military and political consequences," should Finland join NATO.

On Tuesday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said that Finland, along with its neighbor Sweden would be "welcome" to join the alliance.

Finland shares an 830-mile long border with Russia and was once part of the Russian empire, gaining independence after World War I. The Soviet Union invaded Finland in 1939 in what is known as the Winter War. Following a peace treaty in 1940, the pair clashed again in the Continuation War that began in 1941, just after Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The war lasted until 1944.

In 1948, Finland signed the Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance with the Soviet Union recognizing its desire to remain neutral. A new friendship treaty was signed between Helsinki and Moscow in 1992.

However, Moscow's aggression in Ukraine has pushed Helsinki to explore ways to strengthen national security, including possible NATO membership.

Such a move is growing in popularity among Finnish politicians. Out of 200 parliamentarians, 112 responded to a survey on potential membership. Most of the respondents, 71, said they backed NATO membership while only six MPs opposed the move, according to Finland's national public broadcasting company YLE. There were 35 who said they did not know.

The National Coalition Party (NCP) strongly backs NATO membership. NCP representative Pihla Keto-Huovinen told Yle that she had changed her mind about Finnish non-alignment after the Russian invasion of Ukraine which "shook the entire foundational policy."

There is increasing support for joining the alliance among the public, with a majority (60 percent) of Finns backing joining NATO in a poll last month by the Finnish Business and Policy Forum Eva think tank.

On April 07 2022 23:20 Erasme wrote:
Russia doesn't seem to understand how empty those threats sound. Joining NATO is now the only way to be free of the russian threats as Russia isn't bound by its treaties.

On April 08 2022 00:03 Simberto wrote:


Yeah. And previously, there was pretty good precedent that if you try to join NATO, russia will fuck you up while you are in the waiting period.

Which means that right now is the best time to do so, because Russia is already overextended. They can't really afford to fuck with more nations right now.

On April 08 2022 00:05 0x64 wrote:


Technically NATO doesn't allow country to join with active conflict. I hope they make an exception this time.

On April 08 2022 00:08 Simberto wrote:


I meant for the non-Ukraine countries that border russia. Previously, whenever a country tried to get on the way to join NATO, an active conflict totally not related to russian fuckery would suddenly and totally inexplicably turn up.

I think that Russia is currently way to busy for that shit.

Edit: Or does Finland actually have an active conflict currently?