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Sermokala
United States14162 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
WASHINGTON, June 26 (Reuters) - The United States plans to announce as soon as Tuesday a new military aid package for Ukraine worth up to $500 million, keeping up U.S. resolve to help Ukraine against Russia as Moscow deals with a mutiny by some of its soldiers. The package will include ground vehicles as Ukraine presses its counteroffensive, two U.S. officials said. Expected to be included are 30 Bradley fighting vehicles and 25 Stryker armored personnel carriers, one of the officials said. As a part of the aid package, Ukraine will receive munitions for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), anti-tank weapons including Javelins and munitions for Patriot and Stinger anti-aircraft systems, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The package was still being finalized and could change, they said. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The package would be funded using Presidential Drawdown Authority, or PDA, which authorizes the president to transfer articles and services from U.S. stocks without congressional approval during an emergency. The material will come from U.S. excess inventory. The security assistance package would be the 41st approved by the United States for Ukraine since the Russian invasion in February 2022, for a total of more than $40 billion. Source | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
https://special-ops.org/isdm-zemledeliye-an-advanced-remote-mine-laying-system/ | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On June 27 2023 18:14 Silvanel wrote: The first news I have heard about this system being used in Ukraine, is that it was caught and destroyed (about a week ago).I mean they're not gonna have just one of these? Especially if it's so effective they'll try to produce as many as possible and deliver them to the frontline. | ||
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Artesimo
Germany600 Posts
On June 27 2023 17:54 Magic Powers wrote: Is this real? If it is, they can trap advancing infantry almost at will. There's footage of that exact scenario, but I'm not going to post it because I think it's too graphic. https://special-ops.org/isdm-zemledeliye-an-advanced-remote-mine-laying-system/ I can't speak for that specific system, but remote minelaying capabilities have been in use by both sides, with tactics like letting a force advance and then trapping them / cutting them off from reinforcements by laying mines behind them with devastating effects. Previously russia has been more on the receiving end of this due to them being on the attack, but it supposedly was already used against the ukrainian kherson offensive. Now that ukraine is on the attack again, more reports will most likely come up. Though its the kind of thing you rather keep on the low when used against you as it is a pretty grim outlook when faced with the prospect of getting shelled from the front and mined in the back. Most of ukrainian reports I have heard of this for example have been of troops that got caught by it and suffered severely. Though with those kind of reports you can never be too sure. A number of those can probably be explained by the fact that they accidentally retreated into an uncleared minefield that had already been there. It also counters the procedure of establishing fire control over an area, clearing a path, and then attacking because the enemy can just remine it without sending in troops to do it manually. The minelaying of these systems can be picked up just like artillery fire though and then be susceptible to counter battery fire, so its not like ukraine has no counterplay. EDIT: Some of the reports of russians driving into their "own" minefields can probably also be explained with ukrainian remote minelaying. And just like with the drones, you can get some interesting and creative solutions. I have seen videos of RC cars shuttling anti vehicle mines around for example. Not as effective as effectively using artillery to do it, but also much harder to detect. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
On June 27 2023 18:27 Magic Powers wrote: I mean they're not gonna have just one of these? Especially if it's so effective they'll try to produce as many as possible and deliver them to the frontline. Certainly. But war is a very complex thing and no single system will win it. Also I just found it really funny with articles coming, making it some uber weapon and the same time some pieces of that equipment already been destroyed. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On June 27 2023 18:27 Artesimo wrote: I can't speak for that specific system, but remote minelaying capabilities have been in use by both sides, with tactics like letting a force advance and then trapping them / cutting them off from reinforcements by laying mines behind them with devastating effects. Previously russia has been more on the receiving end of this due to them being on the attack, but it supposedly was already used against the ukrainian kherson offensive. Now that ukraine is on the attack again, more reports will most likely come up. Though its the kind of thing you rather keep on the low when used against you as it is a pretty grim outlook when faced with the prospect of getting shelled from the front and mined in the back. Most of ukrainian reports I have heard of this for example have been of troops that got caught by it and suffered severely. Though with those kind of reports you can never be too sure. A number of those can probably be explained by the fact that they accidentally retreated into an uncleared minefield that had already been there. It also counters the procedure of establishing fire control over an area, clearing a path, and then attacking because the enemy can just remine it without sending in troops to do it manually. The minelaying of these systems can be picked up just like artillery fire though and then be susceptible to counter battery fire, so its not like ukraine has no counterplay. EDIT: Some of the reports of russians driving into their "own" minefields can probably also be explained with ukrainian remote minelaying. And just like with the drones, you can get some interesting and creative solutions. I have seen videos of RC cars shuttling anti vehicle mines around for example. Not as effective as effectively using artillery to do it, but also much harder to detect. Thanks for the explanation! So that means it's becoming more of a problem now that Ukraine is trying to advance, but it can be used just as well against retreating Russian troops? Sounds like a knight hopping around on a chess board. Makes things very complicated for humans. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 27 2023 17:54 Magic Powers wrote: Is this real? If it is, they can trap advancing infantry almost at will. There's footage of that exact scenario, but I'm not going to post it because I think it's too graphic. https://special-ops.org/isdm-zemledeliye-an-advanced-remote-mine-laying-system/ This just seems like a translated weapon manufacturer brochure No way they have working friend or foe detection in landmines when they barely have it in their anti-aircraft systems. | ||
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Artesimo
Germany600 Posts
On June 27 2023 19:16 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This just seems like a translated weapon manufacturer brochure No way they have working friend or foe detection in landmines when they barely have it in their anti-aircraft systems. A system having a capability, and the end user utilising that capability are 2 very different things. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
BBC reporting that Ukraine have likely taken back land that has been occupied by Russia(n backed separatists) since 2014. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18393 Posts
On June 27 2023 19:31 Artesimo wrote: A system having a capability, and the end user utilising that capability are 2 very different things. Yeah, hence why it seems like an advertising brochure rather than an actual report of its frontline capabilities. If all russian troops were carrying the right RFID chips, they would be detected by these systems is not very useful info when the troops *aren't* carrying those RFID chips, nor will they be for the foreseeable future. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8272 Posts
On June 27 2023 21:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Well the "special" Russian plane that was headed to DC suddenly changed course towards Iceland, and is now gone? https://twitter.com/IntercityFC/status/1673670690782736388 Apparently, according to comments, it's just an out of range thing. It'll likely pop back up once it gets closer to land | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The Australian government has announced a new $110m assistance package as the next round of support for Ukraine, including military vehicles, ammunition and humanitarian funding. The government also said the upheaval in Russia over the weekend – in which the head of the Wagner mercenary group attempted an armed revolt – was a sign of division and called into question the invasion of Ukraine. The package of support for Ukraine unveiled on Monday includes $100m in military assistance and $10m for humanitarian aid. “This package responds to Ukraine’s requests for vehicles and ammunition, and will make a tangible difference on the battlefield,” the prime minister, Anthony Albanese, said. The government has committed 70 military vehicles, including 28 M113 armoured vehicles, 14 special operations vehicles, 28 MAN 40M medium trucks and 14 trailers; a new supply of 105mm artillery ammunition; and $10m to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs – for the Ukraine Humanitarian Fund – to assist in the provision of shelter, health services, water and sanitation. “Ukrainian families, the elderly and children have borne a terrible cost from Russia’s invasion. Australia’s $10m contribution to the Ukraine Humanitarian Fund will support their needs,” Albanese said. “We support international efforts to ensure [Russian president Vladimir] Putin’s aggression fails and that Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity prevails.” The government said the latest commitment took Australia’s total contribution to Ukraine to $790m, including $610m in military assistance. Albanese was joined by the defence minister, Richard Marles, and the foreign minister, Penny Wong, to make the announcement in Canberra. The prime minister said the cabinet signed off on the support package on Monday morning, and the timing was unaffected by the weekend events in which the Wagner chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, vowed to lead his troops towards Moscow. Source | ||
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Excludos
Norway8272 Posts
On June 27 2023 23:21 Mikau wrote: If that's the case, why are all those other planes that are even further away from land still being seen on the exact same flight radar screen? Different planes have different antennas with different ranges. According to another comment: "Probably because it's Russia, and they don't use ADS-B like most other countries. They still rely on tracking from ground-based radar, which means they have to be within range of a radar to be tracked. There are no radars over the Atlantic Ocean." edit: The plane has been spotted on trackradar again as of 3 minutes ago | ||
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Sermokala
United States14162 Posts
On June 27 2023 17:54 Magic Powers wrote: Is this real? If it is, they can trap advancing infantry almost at will. There's footage of that exact scenario, but I'm not going to post it because I think it's too graphic. https://special-ops.org/isdm-zemledeliye-an-advanced-remote-mine-laying-system/ The USA has an artillery delivered version of this that Ukraine has used to mine the roads outside of cities it is assaulting to delay and defeat reinforcement and extraction of forces. Its a lot more accurate than dumb tube delivered systems like this that is impossible to know where you are mining. It slows down the front for both sides and makes battles a lot less decisive. I saw the videos you're talking about and they're bad but you can clearly tell the level of training they've had to help survive having their legs blown off vs the drone footage we see of Russians that have been in the same situation. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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