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On June 19 2023 22:04 Salazarz wrote: I'm not an expert on the subject, but as far as I know, Africa's food production troubles in large part stem from the fact that growing cash crops is more profitable and the governments don't have the clout or the finances to force growers to focus on providing local food supply over exports.
Their population has also been doubling every few years. Feeding Cairo was a lot easier when only a million people lived there.
I was disappointed to see how few of their provinces the African delegation were prepared to surrender to Russia in the name of peace. For a group that supports surrendering land for peace I had high hopes that they would be willing to make a serious offer. If Russia was given the chance to annex large resource rich parts of Africa I’m sure they’d take the deal.
Alas they only seemed interested in giving away Ukrainian land in the name of peace, not their own land.
On the resources front - I have been seeing reports that the Russians have problems delivering enough water to the troops on the southern front and following the Nova Kakhovka dam collapse (predictably) disease outbreaks started to appear in and around the Kherson area (cholera to be precise).
Not saying this isn't happening because fog of war and uncertainty. But seems kind of a wild claim. It's not like they were drinking straight from the canal right. And as far as I know the water from the canal is primarily used for agriculture, right? It's not like Crimea was without any water at all when the canal was closed 8 years ago.
There is nothing really strange about it. Diseases usually follow floods, WHO even has warning about it: https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/emergency/extreme-weather/floods-standingwater.html Add to that difficult circumstances: living in the trenches, not enough water to drink, not to mention for hygienic purposes. It's a perfect breeding ground for all kind of skin and gastrointestinal diseases.
Time will, of course, tell if these are only rumors or something more substantial.
PS. I also heard that floods displace mines, moving them out of minefields into random places. One more "perk" of the war, I guess.
yeah, if only we knew who blew up the dam that supplied water the Russian controlled Crimea region. And Russian controlled Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
@maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
I know that it's probably fruitless to engage in discussion with another pro-Russian troll, but still: The NPP has a closed circuit water supply and doesn't rely on the water level of the reservoir. This is a bit of an oversimplification because the self-reliance is not 100%, but it's to such a high degree that the water level will have no impact on the operation in the near future.
And as zatic mentioned earlier, it's not like Crimea has been getting a steady supply of water from the Dnipro for the last 8 years. So that point is entirely moot.
There has been plenty of articles on this subject, some of which have been shared here in this forum. If you disagree with some of their findings, go ahead and make a point about that. But there is enough material here for you to educate yourself, it is not our obligation to keep you informed.
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
Nobody blew up the nuclear power plant yet. As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up. We also know for a fact that blowing it up required placing tons of explosives inside the dam and that Russia was the only side with access to the dam required to do that.
Whether they did it to delay the Ukrainian offensive, out of malice or just sheer incompetence, I can't possibly know.
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up.
Was this confirmed somewhere? I thought it was still very much up in the air whether the explosives were used, or if months of neglect and lack of maintenance caused a structural collapse (and yes, Ukraine's Himars strikes certainly didn't help either; although unlikely to have had a large impact in structural integrity of the dam).
This guy (not an expert or structural engineer though) made a reasonable explanation of how the dam could've collapsed without explosives:
His reasoning of widening of the Dnipro river downstream not having immediate benefits for the Russian army is obviously wrong though, as Russians already started moving their units from the Kherson region to the Zaporizhzhia region.
@maybenexttime I was jokin with you about time travel, But now are you in the future and the plant hasn't been blown up? or did we lose something in translation? anyone else that could clarify? I was only talking about the dam as far as things that have been blown up.
@nezger I don't appreciate being called a pro Russian troll but such is the times. When you say the NPP lets just make it very clear, We are talking about a nuclear power plant. It's nice to know the system is nearly 100% but the % that's not 100% that kinda worries me.
Don't worry about me being informed, worry about your self.
As far as the Dnipro, Who controlled it for the last 8 years? I wonder why Crimea wasn't getting their water.
I Gotta add it on because the spite and hatred was so obvious, as a German @nezger whom do you think blew up the Nord stream pipeline?
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up.
Was this confirmed somewhere? I thought it was still very much up in the air whether the explosives were used, or if months of neglect and lack of maintenance caused a structural collapse (and yes, Ukraine's Himars strikes certainly didn't help either; although unlikely to have had a large impact in structural integrity of the dam).
This guy (not an expert or structural engineer though) made a reasonable explanation of how the dam could've collapsed without explosives:
His reasoning of widening of the Dnipro river downstream not having immediate benefits for the Russian army is obviously wrong though, as Russians already started moving their units from the Kherson region to the Zaporizhzhia region.
Seismologists observed an event consistent with a massive explosion located in Nova Kakhovka that coincided with the time the dam collapsed and the time the locals reported hearing a massive explosion. From what I've read, the data is not consistent with the dam simply collapsing on its own. Soviet dams were designed to sustain some serious battering from the outside while allowing to be blow up from the inside. If it walks like a duck...
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up.
Was this confirmed somewhere? I thought it was still very much up in the air whether the explosives were used, or if months of neglect and lack of maintenance caused a structural collapse (and yes, Ukraine's Himars strikes certainly didn't help either; although unlikely to have had a large impact in structural integrity of the dam).
This guy (not an expert or structural engineer though) made a reasonable explanation of how the dam could've collapsed without explosives:
His reasoning of widening of the Dnipro river downstream not having immediate benefits for the Russian army is obviously wrong though, as Russians already started moving their units from the Kherson region to the Zaporizhzhia region.
Seismologists observed an event consistent with a massive explosion located in Nova Kakhovka that coincided with the time the dam collapsed and the time the locals reported hearing a massive explosion. From what I've read, the data is not consistent with the dam simply collapsing on its own. Soviet dams were designed to sustain some serious battering from the outside while allowing to be blow up from the inside. If it walks like a duck...
This was referenced in the video (timestamp), and it seems to me that it's still far from conclusive. I'm not a seismologist though, so I'd like to read an in-depth report of how this could be determined.
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up.
Was this confirmed somewhere? I thought it was still very much up in the air whether the explosives were used, or if months of neglect and lack of maintenance caused a structural collapse (and yes, Ukraine's Himars strikes certainly didn't help either; although unlikely to have had a large impact in structural integrity of the dam).
This guy (not an expert or structural engineer though) made a reasonable explanation of how the dam could've collapsed without explosives:
His reasoning of widening of the Dnipro river downstream not having immediate benefits for the Russian army is obviously wrong though, as Russians already started moving their units from the Kherson region to the Zaporizhzhia region.
Seismologists observed an event consistent with a massive explosion located in Nova Kakhovka that coincided with the time the dam collapsed and the time the locals reported hearing a massive explosion. From what I've read, the data is not consistent with the dam simply collapsing on its own. Soviet dams were designed to sustain some serious battering from the outside while allowing to be blow up from the inside. If it walks like a duck...
This was referenced in the video (timestamp), and it seems to me that it's still far from conclusive. I'm not a seismologist though, so I'd like to read an in-depth report of how this could be determined.
Maybe not conclusive, but I think anything other that explosion is high improbable. I really liked Phantom's breakdown of the issue: Phantom's post spoilered for space: + Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2023 07:21 [Phantom] wrote: There’s something weird about that dam breaking. I’m a civil engineer and obviously I’m missing a ton of details but it’s very interesting to me the way it seems to have broken.
This is a picture of the dam. There is a main breaking point but then to the right there is another, smaller, breaking point after some structures
You can see it more clearly there. Not only that but notice how the top part of the structures it seems the ceiling collapsed,
That is highly unusual.
This is a screenshot of a simulation of a dam breaking. There is a single point of failure in the middle. That is caused when the dam overflows and water starts pouring from the top. When that happens the middle part is the weakest point and more water starts going there. The anmount of water and pressure accumulated in the point and eroded/starts to destroy it. The more it destroys it the more water can pass through the more speed it carries and so on.
Here is an actual photo of a dam that failed.
Single point of failure that expands outward.
Here is a video of an actual dam failing (notice how it’s overflowing everywhere but again, single point of failure in the middle)
So I find it interesting that there is another point of failure there, and that the top seems to have been blown off…
Of special note is the destruction to the dam's top layer and that there were two points of failure where you would expect to find one. This last makes a lot of sense to a layman like me- even if there were multiple points of tension on the dam, you wouldn't really expect both points to naturally break at exactly the same time- and if staggered once there is one point of failure, all the pressure would be expanding on that one single point of failure, widening it further and easing pressure on other parts of the dam that could have broken. Whereas, with explosions, you absolutely can get multiple points of failure- just blow more holes in it.
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up.
Was this confirmed somewhere? I thought it was still very much up in the air whether the explosives were used, or if months of neglect and lack of maintenance caused a structural collapse (and yes, Ukraine's Himars strikes certainly didn't help either; although unlikely to have had a large impact in structural integrity of the dam).
This guy (not an expert or structural engineer though) made a reasonable explanation of how the dam could've collapsed without explosives:
His reasoning of widening of the Dnipro river downstream not having immediate benefits for the Russian army is obviously wrong though, as Russians already started moving their units from the Kherson region to the Zaporizhzhia region.
Seismologists observed an event consistent with a massive explosion located in Nova Kakhovka that coincided with the time the dam collapsed and the time the locals reported hearing a massive explosion. From what I've read, the data is not consistent with the dam simply collapsing on its own. Soviet dams were designed to sustain some serious battering from the outside while allowing to be blow up from the inside. If it walks like a duck...
This was referenced in the video (timestamp), and it seems to me that it's still far from conclusive. I'm not a seismologist though, so I'd like to read an in-depth report of how this could be determined.
Maybe not conclusive, but I think anything other that explosion is high improbable. I really liked Phantom's breakdown of the issue: Phantom's post spoilered for space: + Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2023 07:21 [Phantom] wrote: There’s something weird about that dam breaking. I’m a civil engineer and obviously I’m missing a ton of details but it’s very interesting to me the way it seems to have broken.
This is a picture of the dam. There is a main breaking point but then to the right there is another, smaller, breaking point after some structures
You can see it more clearly there. Not only that but notice how the top part of the structures it seems the ceiling collapsed,
That is highly unusual.
This is a screenshot of a simulation of a dam breaking. There is a single point of failure in the middle. That is caused when the dam overflows and water starts pouring from the top. When that happens the middle part is the weakest point and more water starts going there. The anmount of water and pressure accumulated in the point and eroded/starts to destroy it. The more it destroys it the more water can pass through the more speed it carries and so on.
Here is an actual photo of a dam that failed.
Single point of failure that expands outward.
Here is a video of an actual dam failing (notice how it’s overflowing everywhere but again, single point of failure in the middle)
So I find it interesting that there is another point of failure there, and that the top seems to have been blown off…
Of special note is the destruction to the dam's top layer and that there were two points of failure where you would expect to find one. This last makes a lot of sense to a layman like me- even if there were multiple points of tension on the dam, you wouldn't really expect both points to naturally break at exactly the same time- and if staggered once there is one point of failure, all the pressure would be expanding on that one single point of failure, widening it further and easing pressure on other parts of the dam that could have broken. Whereas, with explosions, you absolutely can get multiple points of failure- just blow more holes in it.
This doesn't really line up with the stuff that guy was mentioning in the video I linked (which I assume you didn't watch :p). He purchased satellite photos of the dam in the days leading up to the failure, and from what I could understand, there was a single point of failure on the right of the dam. And it showed on the satellite photos that the dam was "failing" for a few days before the total collapse, since it completely washed away the dirt road or whatever it was there on the right.
Again, not an expert, and I would love to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about what they think.
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up.
Was this confirmed somewhere? I thought it was still very much up in the air whether the explosives were used, or if months of neglect and lack of maintenance caused a structural collapse (and yes, Ukraine's Himars strikes certainly didn't help either; although unlikely to have had a large impact in structural integrity of the dam).
This guy (not an expert or structural engineer though) made a reasonable explanation of how the dam could've collapsed without explosives:
His reasoning of widening of the Dnipro river downstream not having immediate benefits for the Russian army is obviously wrong though, as Russians already started moving their units from the Kherson region to the Zaporizhzhia region.
Seismologists observed an event consistent with a massive explosion located in Nova Kakhovka that coincided with the time the dam collapsed and the time the locals reported hearing a massive explosion. From what I've read, the data is not consistent with the dam simply collapsing on its own. Soviet dams were designed to sustain some serious battering from the outside while allowing to be blow up from the inside. If it walks like a duck...
This was referenced in the video (timestamp), and it seems to me that it's still far from conclusive. I'm not a seismologist though, so I'd like to read an in-depth report of how this could be determined.
Maybe not conclusive, but I think anything other that explosion is high improbable. I really liked Phantom's breakdown of the issue: Phantom's post spoilered for space: + Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2023 07:21 [Phantom] wrote: There’s something weird about that dam breaking. I’m a civil engineer and obviously I’m missing a ton of details but it’s very interesting to me the way it seems to have broken.
This is a picture of the dam. There is a main breaking point but then to the right there is another, smaller, breaking point after some structures
You can see it more clearly there. Not only that but notice how the top part of the structures it seems the ceiling collapsed,
That is highly unusual.
This is a screenshot of a simulation of a dam breaking. There is a single point of failure in the middle. That is caused when the dam overflows and water starts pouring from the top. When that happens the middle part is the weakest point and more water starts going there. The anmount of water and pressure accumulated in the point and eroded/starts to destroy it. The more it destroys it the more water can pass through the more speed it carries and so on.
Here is an actual photo of a dam that failed.
Single point of failure that expands outward.
Here is a video of an actual dam failing (notice how it’s overflowing everywhere but again, single point of failure in the middle)
So I find it interesting that there is another point of failure there, and that the top seems to have been blown off…
Of special note is the destruction to the dam's top layer and that there were two points of failure where you would expect to find one. This last makes a lot of sense to a layman like me- even if there were multiple points of tension on the dam, you wouldn't really expect both points to naturally break at exactly the same time- and if staggered once there is one point of failure, all the pressure would be expanding on that one single point of failure, widening it further and easing pressure on other parts of the dam that could have broken. Whereas, with explosions, you absolutely can get multiple points of failure- just blow more holes in it.
This doesn't really line up with the stuff that guy was mentioning in the video I linked (which I assume you didn't watch :p). He purchased satellite photos of the dam in the days leading up to the failure, and from what I could understand, there was a single point of failure on the right of the dam. And it showed on the satellite photos that the dam was "failing" for a few days before the total collapse, since it completely washed away the dirt road or whatever it was there on the right.
Again, not an expert, and I would love to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about what they think.
On June 20 2023 02:20 Taelshin wrote: @maybenexttime I'm actually living here with you right now in this instance of time. The Russian's as far as I can tell Controll the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. I feel like you have information your withholding, Perhaps you'd enlighten a fellow same-time traveler.
As for the dam, we know for a fact that someone blew it up.
Was this confirmed somewhere? I thought it was still very much up in the air whether the explosives were used, or if months of neglect and lack of maintenance caused a structural collapse (and yes, Ukraine's Himars strikes certainly didn't help either; although unlikely to have had a large impact in structural integrity of the dam).
This guy (not an expert or structural engineer though) made a reasonable explanation of how the dam could've collapsed without explosives:
His reasoning of widening of the Dnipro river downstream not having immediate benefits for the Russian army is obviously wrong though, as Russians already started moving their units from the Kherson region to the Zaporizhzhia region.
The US thermal signature satellites (used for detecting missile launches) detected the explosion.
EPT
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