EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 461
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9535 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
In my opinion it would be a very costly gain that was much less than they hoped for and would probably depend if trade with the west ever restarts to determine if it was a geo strategic success. | ||
KwarK
United States43953 Posts
On June 15 2023 02:03 Zaros wrote: If the conflict ended with Russia gaining the current territory they hold, I think it would be diffficult to call that a loss from a historic point of view. In my opinion it would be a very costly gain that was much less than they hoped for and would probably depend if trade with the west ever restarts to determine if it was a geo strategic success. It depends on the objectives. Previously NATO was in decline, Europe was increasing dependency on Russia, Russia was getting rich, Russian politics were infiltrating the west, Crimea was treated as a fait accompli, and Ukraine was stuck in limbo forever. NATO is expanded and rearmed, Russia has lost soft power leverage, they’ve lost a colossal amount of revenue, they’ve lost all their work on political influence, Crimea and other annexed oblasts won’t be recognized, and any part of Ukraine they don’t seize now will be forever beyond them. Things will never again be as good for Russia as they were in Jan 21. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22288 Posts
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On June 14 2023 17:41 0x64 wrote: For Russians that don't understand the meaning of living under a dictature and not. I can go to any public place and support Russian war and have 0 consequences appart from looking like a fool. A Russian cannot go to a public place and say anything against the war. You guys need to learn to protect your brain from whataboutism. Another bad thing does not make your thing good, you just show how biased you are at picking your point of view. Seeing anything bad made by another army the way to say that what your army is doing is good can make anyone look like a fool. Yet again, only Russians that have that bias feel free to write about it publicly. The reason is simple. Russians against the war have nothing to win from publicly speaking about the war (even here), yet those speaking for the war have nothing to lose as well. Even if the dictatorship falls, usually the only way to rebuild a country is to pardon everyone and pretend for 50 years no one was responsible for anything. Probably, but failing to deal with the recent past can come back to bite a country for century. Just look at the US, which failed to properly deal with the civil war. I admire Germany for succeeding in this! Western countries are also only now opening up some uncomfortable closets of WW2 | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11813 Posts
The levy is expected to raise about $4 billion, a high-level finance official told RBC TV. Russia posted a first-quarter deficit of almost 2.4 trillion rubles amid the war in Ukraine. (From JimmiCs source) So basically, that is doing nothing. The difference between a billion and a trillion is the same as the difference between 1$ and 1000$. Even including the ruble course of 1$ = 84 rubles, it is not huge. If you were 2400$/quarter in the red, and your solution is to find 4*84 = 336$ under the couch once, that will probably not work out well to solve that problem. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
So this happened. A report had been released depicting a single Ukrainian strike causing casualties of upwards of 200 Russian soldiers, as they were assembled togheter for an extended period of time (reports differ on exactly why they were massed. Some claim they were going to give a pep talk, others report they were unloading ammunition) The best thing Russia has done for Ukraine in this war is continuing to only use the most incompetent commanders | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17733 Posts
On June 15 2023 19:24 Excludos wrote: https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bloggers-call-for-general-to-be-shot-after-deadly-strike-2023-6 So this happened. A report had been released depicting a single Ukrainian strike causing casualties of upwards of 200 Russian soldiers, as they were assembled togheter for an extended period of time (reports differ on exactly why they were massed. Some claim they were going to give a pep talk, others report they were unloading ammunition) The best thing Russia has done for Ukraine in this war is continuing to only use the most incompetent commanders According to this they were gathered to await a pep talk from a newly promoted officer. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2972 Posts
On June 15 2023 20:53 Manit0u wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gKVAA8oqlg According to this they were gathered to await a pep talk from a newly promoted officer. https://news.yahoo.com/russian-military-bloggers-losing-minds-025811937.html They waited 2 whole hours waiting for the guy 😆, that's just sad. Ukrainians are laughing at that level of incompetence and I can bet there's plenty that want him promoted further to make the job easier on them in getting rid of the Russian invaders. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
An unidentified object fired from Belarus at a Polish Border Guard vehicle passed through the vehicle narrowly missing its occupants, it has been revealed. Speaking at a meeting of the parliamentary subcommittee for citizenship, foreigners and migration, which was devoted to the situation on the border with Belarus, Colonel Arkadiusz Tywoniuk, the deputy director of the Border Guard (SG) Headquarters, said the incident took place a few days ago on the Belarusian border. "The object pierced the side window of the vehicle, flew out the other side, and broke another window," he said. "This threatened the lives and health," of the two officers in the vehicle, he continued. Just what the object was has not yet been determined. Colonel Tywoniuk said that the SG has become is concerned about the increasingly aggressive behaviour of foreigners trying to cross into Poland. Throwing stones at officers and the destruction of equipment, he added, was now commonplace. In 2021, Poland's border with Belarus came under huge pressure from thousands of migrants trying to get into the country. Last month, the Border Guard reported an incident during which officers were pelted with stones after they stopped a group of 13 foreigners trying to get into Poland in the Białowieża Forest. Source | ||
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KwarK
United States43953 Posts
There is no chance of accidental escalation here. Deliberate, sure. But not accidental. | ||
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pmp10
3396 Posts
On June 16 2023 11:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: It is thought that the perpetrator was a migrant but nonetheless all it takes is someone on the Polish side to be injured, or worse by something other than stones. Then a regional war becomes a very big one rather quickly. All the while Belarus, and Russia continue to weaponize said crisis. Source Doubtful there will even be any diplomatic reaction. A Russian cruise missile flew hundreds of kilometers into Poland and no one batted an eyelid. The happenings on the Polish/Belarusian border are hardly news worthy anymore. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Interesting BBC article about the number of Russian fighters who have died in Ukraine thus far. They go into the changing face of the people who have died over the course of the conflict; explaining how this has changed from being mostly young, professional soldiers to mostly old, non-professional convicts. They believe that Russia are holding their professional soldiers back for defence as they are running out of well-trained troops. They also talk about people who are still trying to find out what has happened to their loved ones. That there are people who only know that their loved ones died in Ukraine because the BBC told them is startling. I probably shouldn't be surprised, but I am. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
I wonder if there will be a concerted continent-wide effort to grow more food and become less reliant on imports. I feel that it's unlikely for Africa to ever completely unify but they might be encouraged to work together much more closely. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18276 Posts
On June 19 2023 16:02 DropBear wrote: The visits of African leaders to both Kyiv and Moscow didn't seem to have much impact. Zelensky is sticking to no peace talks without full withdrawal and Putin cut the African delegation off as they tried to suggest a plan. I wonder if there will be a concerted continent-wide effort to grow more food and become less reliant on imports. I feel that it's unlikely for Africa to ever completely unify but they might be encouraged to work together much more closely. Seeing as Africa's biggest problem for the last century or so has been food production, I'd be surprised if the Ukraine war has any impact at all on domestic farming. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18276 Posts
On June 19 2023 22:04 Salazarz wrote: I'm not an expert on the subject, but as far as I know, Africa's food production troubles in large part stem from the fact that growing cash crops is more profitable and the governments don't have the clout or the finances to force growers to focus on providing local food supply over exports. It doesn't really matter why the problem exists (bad incentives is no doubt part of it... overpopulation and desertification is another large contributor). The problem has existed for a very long time, and the lack of a fast peace treaty in the Ukraine war isn't suddenly going to incentivize working toward a solution if way larger changes like the end of colonization or the end of the cold war changed things for the worse (in the narrow scope of Africa's self-reliance on food production) if they changed anything at all. | ||
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