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I knew the guy is retarded, but he doesn't even try to hide it. BTW Ardias, what do your fellow coutryboys mean by common "religious values", "historical cultural identity", "national identity"... and connect it with centuries-old russian Warsaw? Do I am suppose to believe that in head of the regular Styopa from Whereveryelsk we have anything in common? And these clowns are treated as serious jurnalists? Because for now more I find out about Russians, less I respect them.
Western propaganda doesn't even need to work, your own talking apes from TV do all the work for them.
Thank God foreigners don't learn about Poland from watching our state tv clowns. If they did, their respect for us would plummet and they'd have a very hard time differentiating us from those "dum Ruskies".
I knew the guy is retarded, but he doesn't even try to hide it. BTW Ardias, what do your fellow coutryboys mean by common "religious values", "historical cultural identity", "national identity"... and connect it with centuries-old russian Warsaw? Do I am suppose to believe that in head of the regular Styopa from Whereveryelsk we have anything in common? And these clowns are treated as serious jurnalists? Because for now more I find out about Russians, less I respect them.
Western propaganda doesn't even need to work, your own talking apes from TV do all the work for them.
Thank God foreigners don't learn about Poland from watching our state tv clowns. If they did, their respect for us would plummet and they'd have a very hard time differentiating us from those "dum Ruskies".
If you judge all Russians - not just warmongering ones - by Solovyev example then he achieved success at least partially. They want to create a rift that will be very hard to bridge.
"you see, they hate us all unconditionally so we never had a choice, and you don't have any choice now, they will never be your friends, so you might as well join our efforts to screw them" - is a useful message to spread in this case.
I knew the guy is retarded, but he doesn't even try to hide it. BTW Ardias, what do your fellow coutryboys mean by common "religious values", "historical cultural identity", "national identity"... and connect it with centuries-old russian Warsaw? Do I am suppose to believe that in head of the regular Styopa from Whereveryelsk we have anything in common? And these clowns are treated as serious jurnalists? Because for now more I find out about Russians, less I respect them.
Western propaganda doesn't even need to work, your own talking apes from TV do all the work for them.
ZeroByte is correct that you shouldn't put all Russians in a single line. But answering your question - I didn't make a survey, but in my (offline) surrounding very few people bother with Solovyev or state channels at all (which are mostly aimed at older population still watching regular TV), so they don't base their views (whichever they have) on it. Not sure if it could be considered common or not, but quite a few Russians consider Polish one of the most nationalist people in Europe, though to be fair, assessment is mostly based on my online communication circle (I rarely discuss politics with friends and relatives nowadays since it regularly stirs up very heated arguments between different people)/
Also the last two sentences from your post I regularly see on different Russian forums in regards to the Europe/US and their people.
On March 02 2023 06:50 Ardias wrote: Also the last two sentences from your post I regularly see on different Russian forums in regards to the Europe/US and their people.
Strange. I only read pikabu from time to time and never post there. Looks like not only my thoughts.
On March 02 2023 06:50 Ardias wrote: Not sure if it could be considered common or not, but quite a few Russians consider Polish one of the most nationalist people in Europe
Probably well founded belief, unless they claim we realy want to annex Lviv or something. In that case you may consider them bullshitters.
On March 02 2023 06:50 Ardias wrote: Also the last two sentences from your post I regularly see on different Russian forums in regards to the Europe/US and their people.
Strange. I only read pikabu from time to time and never post there. Looks like not only my thoughts.
I meant that those Russians say that they are losing respect to the Western people and becoming anti-West due to the claims made by Western public personas. Sorry if I phrased this wrong initially.
On March 02 2023 07:32 maybenexttime wrote: It's remarkable how many Russians don't bother with the state TV but recite the same talking points verbatim. ;-)
You have to understand that its entirely legitimate that they don't watch state tv at all. Its just that those talking points filter down into the tiktok's the telegram channels, the youtube channels. All those creators that they see content from are watching state TV and are just retransmitting the state tv talking points for their audience.
Ukraine is claiming that Russia has lost over 100 Tanks in a nearly 3 week long battle at Vuhledar.
Ukraine is claiming that Russia has lost at least 130 tanks and armoured personnel carriers in a three-week battle near the southern Ukrainian town of Vuhledar.
This footage was released last week showing a Russian tank being targeted in the area.
The claims have not been independently verified. In the meantime, what is clear is that Russian shelling has left a trail of destruction in the town.
On March 02 2023 07:32 maybenexttime wrote: It's remarkable how many Russians don't bother with the state TV but recite the same talking points verbatim. ;-)
You have to understand that its entirely legitimate that they don't watch state tv at all. Its just that those talking points filter down into the tiktok's the telegram channels, the youtube channels. All those creators that they see content from are watching state TV and are just retransmitting the state tv talking points for their audience.
I know. I just find it amusing that so many of them wear it like a badge of honor and are convinced that they're unaffected by Russian propaganda while they're thoroughly brainwashed. ;-)
On March 02 2023 07:32 maybenexttime wrote: It's remarkable how many Russians don't bother with the state TV but recite the same talking points verbatim. ;-)
You have to understand that its entirely legitimate that they don't watch state tv at all. Its just that those talking points filter down into the tiktok's the telegram channels, the youtube channels. All those creators that they see content from are watching state TV and are just retransmitting the state tv talking points for their audience.
I know. I just find it amusing that so many of them wear it like a badge of honor and are convinced that they're unaffected by Russian propaganda while they're thoroughly brainwashed. ;-)
I think its basically the political equivalent of "I can't be racist, I have a black friend".
4:05 - "Most of them haven't seen a tank". I guess they don't send a lot of previously trained crews on Challys, wonder how it would be with other types.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stated on March 2 that Germany is negotiating with allies about providing security guarantees to Ukraine but provided no further details on these proposed guarantees.[...] Scholz’s statements are consistent with reports of a proposed Ukraine-NATO defense pact that would provide enough arms to Ukraine to force Russia to the negotiation table, but would not offer Article V protection or obligate NATO states to deploy forces to Ukraine. ISW has recently assessed that such an agreement appears to reflect a desire to pressure Ukraine to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms, especially as Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently unlikely to compromise on his maximalist goals of demilitarization and de facto regime change in Ukraine.[22]
The idea of arming Ukraine instead of providing guarantees is being mentioned more often by the west lately.
On March 03 2023 18:21 Ardias wrote: Video of Ukraine forces training on Challengers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cu3N0y7Sf8 4:05 - "Most of them haven't seen a tank". I guess they don't send a lot of previously trained crews on Challys, wonder how it would be with other types.
As far as experience goes, I think only the commander benefits hugely. The loader position doesn't exist in Russian tanks (and is relatively simple), the western tanks have significantly better optics, and the computers do a lot of the aiming so the gunner position is easier.
The drivers can likely get more miles in a week of training between simulator and testing grounds than they would during the rest of the war. With the fully automatic transmissions, and fully stabilized guns, as long as the driver doesn't do anything stupid they should be fine.
It's interesting that they mention weight/acceleration though. Only the Challenger 2 is notably more sluggish than the Russian tanks. The M1 and Leopard 2 might be heavier, but they have larger engines for a comparable power/weight.
On March 03 2023 18:21 Ardias wrote: Video of Ukraine forces training on Challengers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cu3N0y7Sf8 4:05 - "Most of them haven't seen a tank". I guess they don't send a lot of previously trained crews on Challys, wonder how it would be with other types.
As far as experience goes, I think only the commander benefits hugely. The loader position doesn't exist in Russian tanks (and is relatively simple), the western tanks have significantly better optics, and the computers do a lot of the aiming so the gunner position is easier.
The drivers can likely get more miles in a week of training between simulator and testing grounds than they would during the rest of the war. With the fully automatic transmissions, and fully stabilized guns, as long as the driver doesn't do anything stupid they should be fine.
It's interesting that they mention weight/acceleration though. Only the Challenger 2 is notably more sluggish than the Russian tanks. The M1 and Leopard 2 might be heavier, but they have larger engines for a comparable power/weight.
Without air superiority you can't seriosuly expect western tanks to make any strategic difference, latest Ramstein promised 74 main battle tanks and Ukraine already lost 78 in 2023, in addition to twice the amount of promised howitzers and 3x of AFVs.
It also makes sense for these to be new tank crews. The existing tank crews are experienced with certain types already and so long as Ukraine has those types to put them in your better of training new crews for new tanks rather then training old crew for new tanks and new crew for old tanks all at the same time.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stated on March 2 that Germany is negotiating with allies about providing security guarantees to Ukraine but provided no further details on these proposed guarantees.[...] Scholz’s statements are consistent with reports of a proposed Ukraine-NATO defense pact that would provide enough arms to Ukraine to force Russia to the negotiation table, but would not offer Article V protection or obligate NATO states to deploy forces to Ukraine. ISW has recently assessed that such an agreement appears to reflect a desire to pressure Ukraine to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms, especially as Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently unlikely to compromise on his maximalist goals of demilitarization and de facto regime change in Ukraine.[22]
The idea of arming Ukraine instead of providing guarantees is being mentioned more often by the west lately.
That is probably the only realistic solution in the near future since nobody is willing to go to war with russia over ukraine. Just looking at how difficult the pretty safe Nato membership of sweden (and by proxy finland) are, or how long and difficult the process for EU membership are even without political motivated resistance.
Both Nato and EU membership for ukraine is probably only realistic after it got so armed up that nobody thinks russia can invade them, and that status remaining in place for long enough to make everyone at ease. And even then you probably still have to worry about some separatist movements 'coincidentally' springing up all of a sudden and jeopardizing the process.
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