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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 06 2022 19:27 GMT
#681
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-06 21:59:26
March 06 2022 19:39 GMT
#682
On March 07 2022 04:18 Dav1oN wrote:
Hey guys, just a quick update on my situation. We're safe in a calm place in eastern Ukraine at the moment, it was hell of a ride for my family & pets, 30 hours train journey in a stacked vagon with many people including foreigners, w/o complete understanding where we should go. With the help of friends, relatives, people with whom i worked previously and impressive support by TL members/community we made it out. Right now we are trying to recover at least physically, since mentally it's still very hard to accept the reality.

It's a lovely and beautiful place near montain Hoverla (Bukovel region), I wish the obstacles were different to enjoy the local nature and culture fully.

Unfortunately our parents decided to stay in Kharkiv to take care of grandmothers as they are very old and hardly could be transported during such awful times, as our main railroad station (Pivdenniy vokzal) is overcrowded with frightened people trying to evacuate even more than before. At least our parents moved to my family apartment as it's safer in comparison to Saltivka district which is nearly leveled by now due to massive shelling. Plus there are a bunch of neighbours and a small community, so they should feel a bit safer out there. Hoping to see them again sooner rather than later.

Mentally I already feel myself like a refugee, not a pleasant feeling, but better than alternatives. Still waking up during the night due to specific sounds as it reminds me shelling/airstrikes. With time it will pass.

On a positive side, Ukraine is united as never before and everyone is trying to help each other, plus we feel the support from the West and we have many hopes for the future. People are dreaming to come back to a normal life and to rebuild our cities. We're not going to give up and we will work hard to restore everything that was lost. We are dreaming to rebuild our country for the best of humanity!

Good to hear from you again here. Stay safe fellow TLer!
MaxPax
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-06 20:19:37
March 06 2022 20:13 GMT
#683
Glad You are safe. Hoverla is in western Ukraine though, I doubt there is a calm place in the east right now. Made me confused when I read Your post.
Pathetic Greta hater.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
March 06 2022 20:16 GMT
#684
On March 07 2022 04:18 Dav1oN wrote:
Hey guys, just a quick update on my situation. We're safe in a calm place in eastern Ukraine at the moment, it was hell of a ride for my family & pets, 30 hours train journey in a stacked vagon with many people including foreigners, w/o complete understanding where we should go. With the help of friends, relatives, people with whom i worked previously and impressive support by TL members/community we made it out. Right now we are trying to recover at least physically, since mentally it's still very hard to accept the reality.

It's a lovely and beautiful place near montain Hoverla (Bukovel region), I wish the obstacles were different to enjoy the local nature and culture fully.

Unfortunately our parents decided to stay in Kharkiv to take care of grandmothers as they are very old and hardly could be transported during such awful times, as our main railroad station (Pivdenniy vokzal) is overcrowded with frightened people trying to evacuate even more than before. At least our parents moved to my family apartment as it's safer in comparison to Saltivka district which is nearly leveled by now due to massive shelling. Plus there are a bunch of neighbours and a small community, so they should feel a bit safer out there. Hoping to see them again sooner rather than later.

Mentally I already feel myself like a refugee, not a pleasant feeling, but better than alternatives. Still waking up during the night due to specific sounds as it reminds me shelling/airstrikes. With time it will pass.

On a positive side, Ukraine is united as never before and everyone is trying to help each other, plus we feel the support from the West and we have many hopes for the future. People are dreaming to come back to a normal life and to rebuild our cities. We're not going to give up and we will work hard to restore everything that was lost. We are dreaming to rebuild our country for the best of humanity!

I'm so glad to hear you're safe! Here's to hoping the war ends soon in y'all's favor. Slava Ukraini!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
March 06 2022 20:33 GMT
#685
On March 07 2022 05:13 Silvanel wrote:
Glad You are safe. Hoverla is in western Ukraine though, I doubt there is a calm place in the east right now. Made me confused when I read Your post.


Oh yea, thank you for pointing out, got confused by myself...Surely it's western Ukraine

Edited original post to avoid confusion
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Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway492 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-06 20:47:01
March 06 2022 20:37 GMT
#686
Anonymous hacked Russian streaming services and live TV today, to broadcast war footage from Ukraine. One of the problems have been gettting the information of the war in Ukraine to Russian citizens, especially the older generation, due to the recent laws and propaganda. This action will hopefully increase the knowledge of the bombings in Ukraine.



There's also been rumours of Russia disconnecting from the global internet, but there's a lot of leaks that are fake these days because of the information war, so I wouldn't be sure of this one before it's a bit more documented. I guess we'll know for sure in 5 days.



Edit: I also can't recall how to make the twitter messages embedded. One of the downsides of only being a forum lurker.
Edit2: I am a genious and figured it out.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
March 06 2022 20:59 GMT
#687
On March 07 2022 05:37 Neneu wrote:
Anonymous hacked Russian streaming services and live TV today, to broadcast war footage from Ukraine. One of the problems have been gettting the information of the war in Ukraine to Russian citizens, especially the older generation, due to the recent laws and propaganda. This action will hopefully increase the knowledge of the bombings in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/YourAnonTV/status/1500557635686486023


I ve been waiting for this since Anonymous declared war on russia.
I think this is by far the best the can do tohelp ukrainians, make as many people as possible aware on what is actually going on.
MaxPax
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2022 21:09 GMT
#688
Now Denmark is significantly increasing it's defense budget.

COPENHAGEN, March 6 (Reuters) - Denmark will significantly increase its defence budget and aim to become independent of Russian natural gas in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said on Sunday.

The Nordic country will increase its defence spending gradually to reach 2% of GDP by 2033, equivalent to an increase in annual defence spending of around 18 billion Danish crowns ($2.65 billion) under an agreement between the main parliamentary parties.

The parties also agreed to set aside 7 billion crowns over the next two years to strengthen Danish defence, diplomacy and humanitarian efforts.

"Historic times call for historic decisions," Frederiksen said at a press briefing in Copenhagen, adding that this was "the largest investment in Danish defence in recent times".

Denmark, a NATO member, agreed in 2019 to increase military spending from 1.35% of its economic output to 1.5% by 2023, but had been under pressure from the United States to reach the NATO target of 2%.

Germany said last week that it would sharply increase its spending on defence to more than 2% of GDP and quickly reduce its dependence on Russian energy. read more

"Putin's pointless and brutal attack on Ukraine has heralded a new era in Europe, a new reality," Frederiksen said.

"Ukraine's struggle is not just Ukraine's, it's a test of strength for everything we believe in, our values, democracy, human rights, peace and freedom."

To accommodate higher defence spending, Denmark's current budget restrictions will be eased, and the deficit will turn negative after 2025.

Frederiksen said the main parliamentary parties had agreed that Denmark should become independent of Russian gas "as soon as possible", although no timeframe was stipulated.

They also agreed that a referendum should be held on June 1 on whether to participate in the European Union's Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), almost 30 years after Danes chose to opt out.

Participating in the CSDP would enable Denmark to take part in joint EU military operations and to cooperate on development and acquisition of military capabilities within the EU framework.

Denmark won exemptions from some EU policy areas, including the euro currency and defence and security policy, in a 1992 referendum on the Maastricht Treaty that laid the groundwork for the modern European Union. ($1 = 6.8038 Danish crowns)


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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11517 Posts
March 06 2022 21:11 GMT
#689
I kind of really hate that that shit is necessary. There would be so many better ways to use the money spent on defense, and yet we have to, because of asshole autocrats like Putin.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-06 23:10:07
March 06 2022 22:56 GMT
#690
On March 07 2022 06:11 Simberto wrote:
I kind of really hate that that shit is necessary. There would be so many better ways to use the money spent on defense, and yet we have to, because of asshole autocrats like Putin.


Don't worry, Russia will collapse on its own once again before Denmark has the chance to reach defense spending of 2% GDP by 2033. Russia cannot support a long war in Ukraine and economic recession. They can only pick one...
I'm getting optimistic each day that we have to let sanctions sink in for as long as necessary despite all macho talk by Putin and his 'tough resolve'.

To quote my favourite sci-fi character:

The price of freedom is high; it always has been. But it's a price I'm willing to pay. And if I'm the only one, then so be it. But I'm willing to bet I'm not.?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2022 23:26 GMT
#691
Russia is apparently recruiting Syrians for combat in Ukraine...

WASHINGTON—Moscow is recruiting Syrians skilled in urban combat to fight in Ukraine as Russia’s invasion is poised to expand deeper into cities, according to U.S. officials.

An American assessment indicates that Russia, which has been operating inside Syria since 2015, has in recent days been recruiting fighters from there, hoping their expertise in urban combat can help take Kyiv and deal a devastating blow to the Ukraine government, according to four American officials. The move points to a potential escalation of fighting in Ukraine, experts said.

It is unclear how many fighters have been identified, but some are already in Russia preparing to enter the conflict, according to one official.

Officials declined to elaborate on what else is known about the deployment of Syrian fighters to Ukraine, the status or precise scale of the effort.

According to a publication based in Deir Ezzor, Syria, Russia has offered volunteers from the country between $200 and $300 “to go to Ukraine and operate as guards” for six months at a time.


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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-07 00:02:38
March 07 2022 00:01 GMT
#692
On March 07 2022 03:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2022 03:36 aseq wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:17 PoulsenB wrote:
Green light given by the US for NATO (most probably Poland) to send jets to Ukraine. I don't know how to feel about this, could be used as a pretense by Putin to do something very stupid.



I don't understand why this has to be posted publicly. Is it to score 'helping hand' points as a government? Why not keep this under the radar, Russians don't need this info either...
Because its unlikely they could organise something like the transfer of fighters without Russia finding out anywhere so there is no point keeping it a secret, might aswell score some points while your at it.

The question here is - how will you deliver the planes? Russia already stated that if any country will provide a safe harbour to the Ukrainian air force, they will be a part of the conflict(and as such providing an airfield to start the fly over mission can be seen this way). And I cannot see them arriving by land successfully. One thing is to not shoot at every truck driving towards Ukraine, the other is to not shoot at trucks openly carrying fighter jets.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 07 2022 00:17 GMT
#693
Ukraine has staged a successful counterattack.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21691 Posts
March 07 2022 00:17 GMT
#694
On March 07 2022 09:01 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2022 03:46 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:36 aseq wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:17 PoulsenB wrote:
Green light given by the US for NATO (most probably Poland) to send jets to Ukraine. I don't know how to feel about this, could be used as a pretense by Putin to do something very stupid.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1500523777335209987


I don't understand why this has to be posted publicly. Is it to score 'helping hand' points as a government? Why not keep this under the radar, Russians don't need this info either...
Because its unlikely they could organise something like the transfer of fighters without Russia finding out anywhere so there is no point keeping it a secret, might aswell score some points while your at it.

The question here is - how will you deliver the planes? Russia already stated that if any country will provide a safe harbour to the Ukrainian air force, they will be a part of the conflict(and as such providing an airfield to start the fly over mission can be seen this way). And I cannot see them arriving by land successfully. One thing is to not shoot at every truck driving towards Ukraine, the other is to not shoot at trucks openly carrying fighter jets.
Bring Ukrainian pilot to Poland. Get him in a new fighter and fly it to a Ukraine airfield. Voila, its now based out of Ukraine and not Poland.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-07 00:31:28
March 07 2022 00:27 GMT
#695
On March 07 2022 09:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2022 09:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:46 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:36 aseq wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:17 PoulsenB wrote:
Green light given by the US for NATO (most probably Poland) to send jets to Ukraine. I don't know how to feel about this, could be used as a pretense by Putin to do something very stupid.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1500523777335209987


I don't understand why this has to be posted publicly. Is it to score 'helping hand' points as a government? Why not keep this under the radar, Russians don't need this info either...
Because its unlikely they could organise something like the transfer of fighters without Russia finding out anywhere so there is no point keeping it a secret, might aswell score some points while your at it.

The question here is - how will you deliver the planes? Russia already stated that if any country will provide a safe harbour to the Ukrainian air force, they will be a part of the conflict(and as such providing an airfield to start the fly over mission can be seen this way). And I cannot see them arriving by land successfully. One thing is to not shoot at every truck driving towards Ukraine, the other is to not shoot at trucks openly carrying fighter jets.
Bring Ukrainian pilot to Poland. Get him in a new fighter and fly it to a Ukraine airfield. Voila, its now based out of Ukraine and not Poland.

I repeat it again. Putin stated that any country providing an airfield so Ukrainian aifrorce can do missions will be seen as a part of war. This is a mission of Ukrainian airforce. And Poland would provide the airfield. You see where I am going?

Edit> our former general actually spoke about this and these are his thoughts.(Petr Pavel, it's actually a bigger name )
(I can fight the interview but it;s on a Czech platform with 0 subtitles in Czech, so invalid for this forum)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 07 2022 03:16 GMT
#696
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
March 07 2022 04:35 GMT
#697
Haven't seen any discussion regarding this so far in this thread, so posting a summary per Reddit:

I see this as a good thing. First of all, the US does not important a large % of their total oil from Russia. So this could be interpretted as virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is important on the global stage. If this makes Europe more bold, it is a hugely positive thing. Giving more power to the executive is strictly good. I want the US political power structure to function more like France. I want the executive to show what it believes and give it a shot. Saying "here executive, go to town" is a good thing. Our overly paranoid system of "checks and balances" is not functional. This is a good thing in many ways.

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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
March 07 2022 05:20 GMT
#698
On March 07 2022 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2022 09:17 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 07 2022 09:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:46 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:36 aseq wrote:
On March 07 2022 03:17 PoulsenB wrote:
Green light given by the US for NATO (most probably Poland) to send jets to Ukraine. I don't know how to feel about this, could be used as a pretense by Putin to do something very stupid.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1500523777335209987


I don't understand why this has to be posted publicly. Is it to score 'helping hand' points as a government? Why not keep this under the radar, Russians don't need this info either...
Because its unlikely they could organise something like the transfer of fighters without Russia finding out anywhere so there is no point keeping it a secret, might aswell score some points while your at it.

The question here is - how will you deliver the planes? Russia already stated that if any country will provide a safe harbour to the Ukrainian air force, they will be a part of the conflict(and as such providing an airfield to start the fly over mission can be seen this way). And I cannot see them arriving by land successfully. One thing is to not shoot at every truck driving towards Ukraine, the other is to not shoot at trucks openly carrying fighter jets.
Bring Ukrainian pilot to Poland. Get him in a new fighter and fly it to a Ukraine airfield. Voila, its now based out of Ukraine and not Poland.

I repeat it again. Putin stated that any country providing an airfield so Ukrainian aifrorce can do missions will be seen as a part of war. This is a mission of Ukrainian airforce. And Poland would provide the airfield. You see where I am going?

Edit> our former general actually spoke about this and these are his thoughts.(Petr Pavel, it's actually a bigger name )
(I can fight the interview but it;s on a Czech platform with 0 subtitles in Czech, so invalid for this forum)

Putin also stated that economic sanctions are seen as declerations of war.
So if you take those words for real all of us are allready at war with russia.
He just barks without teeth
MaxPax
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 07 2022 05:31 GMT
#699
On March 07 2022 04:18 Dav1oN wrote:
Hey guys, just a quick update on my situation. We're safe in a calm place in western Ukraine at the moment, it was hell of a ride for my family & pets, 30 hours train journey in a stacked vagon with many people including foreigners, w/o complete understanding where we should go. With the help of friends, relatives, people with whom i worked previously and impressive support by TL members/community we made it out. Right now we are trying to recover at least physically, since mentally it's still very hard to accept the reality.

It's a lovely and beautiful place near montain Hoverla (Bukovel region), I wish the obstacles were different to enjoy the local nature and culture fully.

Unfortunately our parents decided to stay in Kharkiv to take care of grandmothers as they are very old and hardly could be transported during such awful times, as our main railroad station (Pivdenniy vokzal) is overcrowded with frightened people trying to evacuate even more than before. At least our parents moved to my family apartment as it's safer in comparison to Saltivka district which is nearly leveled by now due to massive shelling. Plus there are a bunch of neighbours and a small community, so they should feel a bit safer out there. Hoping to see them again sooner rather than later.

Mentally I already feel myself like a refugee, not a pleasant feeling, but better than alternatives. Still waking up during the night due to specific sounds as it reminds me shelling/airstrikes. With time it will pass.

On a positive side, Ukraine is united as never before and everyone is trying to help each other, plus we feel the support from the West and we have many hopes for the future. People are dreaming to come back to a normal life and to rebuild our cities. We're not going to give up and we will work hard to restore everything that was lost. We are dreaming to rebuild our country for the best of humanity!

Really glad to hear you're safe and that you've developed such a strong community during these times. Hoping for the best for you and your family!
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8657 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-07 05:48:36
March 07 2022 05:47 GMT
#700
On March 07 2022 07:56 SC-Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2022 06:11 Simberto wrote:
I kind of really hate that that shit is necessary. There would be so many better ways to use the money spent on defense, and yet we have to, because of asshole autocrats like Putin.


Don't worry, Russia will collapse on its own once again before Denmark has the chance to reach defense spending of 2% GDP by 2033. Russia cannot support a long war in Ukraine and economic recession. They can only pick one...
I'm getting optimistic each day that we have to let sanctions sink in for as long as necessary despite all macho talk by Putin and his 'tough resolve'.

To quote my favourite sci-fi character:
Show nested quote +

The price of freedom is high; it always has been. But it's a price I'm willing to pay. And if I'm the only one, then so be it. But I'm willing to bet I'm not.?

off topic but that quote if im not mistaken is morpheus from the matrix?
i had to have a guess.

well shit it wasnt. i think theres a similar line from the matrix though
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