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pmp10
3380 Posts
On October 07 2025 01:23 Manit0u wrote: Last week it was reported they lost around 40% of their refining capacity. And now they've lost 3 more refineries in 3 days. 2 of them close to Moscow. 40% was total outages in petrol refining. The system was never 100% up even before the war. The loss from attacks was estimated at around 25%. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9268 Posts
Not in Poland's interest to give Germany Nord Stream suspect, Tusk says WARSAW, Oct 7 (Reuters) - It is not in Poland's interest to hand over a Ukrainian man wanted by Germany for suspected involvement in explosions which damaged the Nord Stream gas pipelines, the Polish prime minister said on Tuesday. Donald Tusk said that ultimately it was for the court to decide whether Volodymyr Z., who was detained near Warsaw in late September, is handed over. But he reiterated Poland's long-standing opposition to the pipelines, which Warsaw says were key to making Europe too dependent on Russian energy. "The problem of Europe, the problem of Ukraine, the problem of Lithuania and Poland is not that Nord Stream 2 was blown up, but that it was built," Tusk told a news conference. "It is certainly not in the interest of Poland... to hand over this citizen to a foreign country," he added. German authorities did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A Polish court ruled on Monday that Volodymyr Z. must remain in custody for another 40 days while a decision is made on whether to transfer him to Germany based on a European arrest warrant. Described by both Moscow and the West as an act of sabotage, the explosions in 2022 marked an escalation in the Ukraine conflict and squeezed energy supplies. No one has taken responsibility for the blasts and Ukraine has denied any role. Another Ukrainian man suspected of coordinating the attacks was arrested in Italy in August and plans to fight extradition to Germany. Volodymyr Z's Polish lawyer has said his client has done nothing wrong and that he will plead not guilty. Germany's top prosecutors' office said in an earlier statement that the diver was one of a group of people who were suspected of renting a sailing yacht and planting explosives on the pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany, near the Danish island of Bornholm in September 2022. He faces accusations of conspiring to commit an explosives attack and of "anti-constitutional sabotage", the German prosecutors added. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/not-polands-interest-give-germany-nord-stream-suspect-tusk-says-2025-10-07/ Wouldn't it make things much easier if that guy and the other guy that was arrested in Italy resided in a country where European arrest warrants can't be an issue? Daring Polish or Italian law enforcement to ignore the German warrants is kind of a dick move, if they're really guilty. | ||
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Artesimo
Germany565 Posts
On October 08 2025 03:41 Sent. wrote: Wouldn't it make things much easier if that guy and the other guy that was arrested in Italy resided in a country where European arrest warrants can't be an issue? Daring Polish or Italian law enforcement to ignore the German warrants is kind of a dick move, if they're really guilty. Its also not really in german interests to find out who blew up the pipeline because its gonna be a problem either way, but saying something like that openly feels like peak polish politics to me. If the EU wasn't such an obvious benefit to poland I swear they would have brexited themselves before the brits did...You smile, wave for the camera, say that you have to review the legal process and then just come up with some BS about legal procedings or whatever afterwards in some random press release that doesn't get much attention instead of playing tough. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9268 Posts
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KwarK
United States43469 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2706 Posts
On October 08 2025 04:48 KwarK wrote: If Poland could have moved out of Europe it would have. Poland exudes “I have to live with you (Germany) but I don’t have to like you” energy. But what are they going to do, be friends with the Russians instead? I don't really see a big problem with Poland. They are a large, conservative eastern European country. They are now ascending into becoming a regional power and are starting to take their place in Europe. That's going to chafe a bit for both sides.Eventually they are going to have to moderate their general anti-EU stance (or leave). I don't see it happening soon and I don't see the younger generation of Poles wanting to leave EU so the boomers have time do die off | ||
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Billyboy
1390 Posts
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KwarK
United States43469 Posts
On October 08 2025 05:12 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I don't really see a big problem with Poland. They are a large, conservative eastern European country. They are now ascending into becoming a regional power and are starting to take their place in Europe. That's going to chafe a bit for both sides.Eventually they are going to have to moderate their general anti-EU stance (or leave). I don't see it happening soon and I don't see the younger generation of Poles wanting to leave EU so the boomers have time do die off No problem with Poland for sure. I like them better than the Brexiteers of the UK. And it’s not like the Poles don’t have legitimate historical grievances. The contradictions are just funny to me. The way the populists snipe at Germany unprovoked, I imagine Germany wanting to complain and then sighing because Poland has a perfect comeback lined up for that. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7033 Posts
On October 08 2025 09:09 KwarK wrote: No problem with Poland for sure. I like them better than the Brexiteers of the UK. And it’s not like the Poles don’t have legitimate historical grievances. The contradictions are just funny to me. The way the populists snipe at Germany unprovoked, I imagine Germany wanting to complain and then sighing because Poland has a perfect comeback lined up for that. Germany doesn't complain. Germany endures. I do get the feeling that Poland's stance is more of a bark don't match the bite kinda deal. And like you said, where are they supposed to go? Back to mother? | ||
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Artesimo
Germany565 Posts
On October 08 2025 04:17 Sent. wrote: Yes, I think it would be better if Tusk chose to dodge the question somehow. Diplomacy was never our greatest strength. It double annoys me, because as I said, germany doesn't really want to know who did it either, at least not right now and publicly. I personally atm lean more towards thinking ukraine had the pipeline blown up, which if it came out would hurt at least public support, which is why I rather not have it come out right now. If germany wanted to just silently let this slide and the suspects released from custody so they vanish, then having tusk openly proclaim that poland is reluctant to hand them over makes that harder. Luckily I haven't seen a big media resonance here in germany to this, or otherwise public reception. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5739 Posts
A recent article on Russian KIA numbers, by Russian investigative journalists in collaboration with BBC. About 135k people are known by name. The list does not include people from the occupied territories and foreign fighters, as well as Russian citizens KIA not known by name or MIA but actually KIA. The total number is probably closer to 200-250k. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17613 Posts
On October 08 2025 05:12 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I don't really see a big problem with Poland. They are a large, conservative eastern European country. They are now ascending into becoming a regional power and are starting to take their place in Europe. That's going to chafe a bit for both sides.Eventually they are going to have to moderate their general anti-EU stance (or leave). I don't see it happening soon and I don't see the younger generation of Poles wanting to leave EU so the boomers have time do die off It's not even the boomers. It's the fact that sadly our conservative parties are relying on all the Polish martyrdom and highly nationalistic and deeply catholic rhetoric to stay in power. Unfortunately this resonates pretty well with people who are not that well off and with lower education. Might say a typical voter base for conservative parties anywhere in the world. The problem is that they love to rile people up and EU is an easy target (for historical reasons because of Germany and nationalistic reasons because of EU law etc.) but at the same time they will never admit that joining the EU has moved Poland leaps and bounds ahead in terms of development as a country and that we were a very big beneficiary of EU grants (instead they claim stuff done with EU money as their own awesome success while saying that the EU was trying to thwart them). Thankfully our government alone can't do this as they'd have to do a full nation-wide referendum for it (like was the case with joining the EU) and I don't think it would pass. I don't expect Poland leaving the EU anytime soon. And our current government (with the exception of the president) is pro-EU too so no worries there I guess. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1063 Posts
According to Trump, he sent Witkoff to Russia: “Steve had no idea about Russia, had no idea about Putin too much, didn’t know too much about politics, wasn’t too interested.” I mean what the fuck. You go to Israel's parliament and you brag about sending someone clearly incompetent and also NOT FUCKING INTERESTED to negotiate with Putin. I really, really hope he dies a horrible death, soon, this guy is the most malignant thing that has ever grown on the face of this sorry planet. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9268 Posts
This means a plane with Putin on board will need to fly through the airspace of some other EU member before reaching Hungary. I doubt any European government would be happy with agreeing to that. Can't they meet in Turkey instead? It's also a populist run fake democracy and they even have a better weather! | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2706 Posts
On October 17 2025 03:28 Sent. wrote: Trump says he will meet with Putin in Budapest to discuss war in Ukraine This means a plane with Putin on board will need to fly through the airspace of some other EU member before reaching Hungary. I doubt any European government would be happy with agreeing to that. Can't they meet in Turkey instead? It's also a populist run fake democracy and they even have a better weather! Could fly it in over Ukraine instead? :D | ||
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Artesimo
Germany565 Posts
On October 17 2025 03:28 Sent. wrote: Trump says he will meet with Putin in Budapest to discuss war in Ukraine This means a plane with Putin on board will need to fly through the airspace of some other EU member before reaching Hungary. I doubt any European government would be happy with agreeing to that. Can't they meet in Turkey instead? It's also a populist run fake democracy and they even have a better weather! 5bux that this is some calculated move by putin to get trump to pressure the EU to let him fly through their airspace, and the orange buffoon fell for it ofc. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8231 Posts
On October 17 2025 03:28 Sent. wrote: Trump says he will meet with Putin in Budapest to discuss war in Ukraine This means a plane with Putin on board will need to fly through the airspace of some other EU member before reaching Hungary. I doubt any European government would be happy with agreeing to that. Can't they meet in Turkey instead? It's also a populist run fake democracy and they even have a better weather! Let's take this to the logical conclusion: No one in EU is going to shoot down Putin's plane, ergo, there is no way to stop his plane from flying over EU countries, unless he decides to land somewhere for no reason. Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly, he can de facto fly wherever he wants. Altough it would be hilarious to shoot down his plane and pretend it magically fell down by itself, like Putin does to his opponents. But no one here has the backbone to do that | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10834 Posts
On October 17 2025 18:49 Excludos wrote: Let's take this to the logical conclusion: No one in EU is going to shoot down Putin's plane, ergo, there is no way to stop his plane from flying over EU countries, unless he decides to land somewhere for no reason. Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly, he can de facto fly wherever he wants. Altough it would be hilarious to shoot down his plane and pretend it magically fell down by itself, like Putin does to his opponents. But no one here has the backbone to do that They could ask the guy that blew up NS2 for another favour... | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
I haven't see the clear reason for refusal in articles yet. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18193 Posts
On October 17 2025 18:49 Excludos wrote: Let's take this to the logical conclusion: No one in EU is going to shoot down Putin's plane, ergo, there is no way to stop his plane from flying over EU countries, unless he decides to land somewhere for no reason. Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly, he can de facto fly wherever he wants. Altough it would be hilarious to shoot down his plane and pretend it magically fell down by itself, like Putin does to his opponents. But no one here has the backbone to do that I fully support karmic justice for MH17. | ||
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