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Visa, and Mastercard are suspending services in Russia. Not sure how big of a business they have over there though.
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On March 06 2022 06:56 Vindicare605 wrote:SourceShow nested quote +President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin stated that if Ukraine "continues to behave like this," it will "endanger the future of its statehood."
"the current government in Kyiv has to realise that if they continue to behave like this, they will endanger the future of Ukraine’s statehood. And if this happens it will be entirely their responsibility." LOL. "Stop resisting my attempt to conquer your country or I will conquer your country!" This dude is backed into such a corner he doesn't even make sense anymore. What does this threat even mean? That after he's finished conquering them he's not going to let them become a state? They don't want to be annexed or conquered at all you buffoon! That's why they're resisting you and welcoming foreign aid to do so.
Putin likes history. Maybe he read too much about German from the period of 1935 to 1939.
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The Wall Street Journal says that 74% of payment transactions are conducted with Visa and MasterCard in Russia. PayPal is also down in Russia I believe. Though the Visa sanction only affects transactions outside the country, not internally it seems.
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On March 06 2022 07:44 PhoenixVoid wrote:The Wall Street Journal says that 74% of payment transactions are conducted with Visa and MasterCard in Russia. PayPal is also down in Russia I believe. Though the Visa sanction only affects transactions outside the country, not internally it seems.
They made their own system because of the 2014 sanctions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(payment_system)
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Interesting diplomatic maneuver from the Biden admin to attempt to strike a deal with Venezuela for their oil and further cleave Russia from its allies. For context, Venezuela's not a friend of the U.S. and is a key Russian ally; is run by Maduro who probably rigged an election; and has been sanctioned heavily by an American-led movement. But both sides see an opportunity here to gain. The U.S. can help relieve oil prices and remove a Russian ally, while Venezuela can slowly normalize into the world, if it happens.
Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine. The trip is the highest-level visit by Washington officials to Caracas, Venezuela’s capital, in years. The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Mr. Maduro and closed its embassy in Caracas in 2019, after accusing the authoritarian leader of electoral fraud. The Trump administration then tried to topple Mr. Maduro’s government by sanctioning Venezuelan oil exports and the country’s senior officials, and by recognizing the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, as Venezuela’s lawful president. Mr. Maduro responded to the sanctions by seeking economic and diplomatic help from Russia, as well as from Iran and China. Russian energy companies and banks have been instrumental in allowing Venezuela to continue exporting oil, the country’s biggest source of foreign currency, despite the sanctions, according to U.S. officials, Venezuelan officials and businessmen. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has prompted the United States to pay closer attention to President Vladimir V. Putin’s allies in Latin America, which Washington believes could become security threats if the standoff with Russia deepens, according to current and former U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive policy matters. As Russia’s economy craters, the U.S. is seizing on an opportunity to advance its agenda among Latin American autocracies that might start seeing Mr. Putin as an increasingly weak ally. When the U.S. and its allies began considering sanctions on Russian oil and gas exports this month to punish the country for devastation wrought in Ukraine, prominent voices affiliated with both major American political parties pointed to Venezuela as a potential substitute. ... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html
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On March 06 2022 08:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:Interesting diplomatic maneuver from the Biden admin to attempt to strike a deal with Venezuela for their oil and further cleave Russia from its allies. For context, Venezuela's not a friend of the U.S. and is a key Russian ally; is run by Maduro who probably rigged an election; and has been sanctioned heavily by an American-led movement. But both sides see an opportunity here to gain. The U.S. can help relieve oil prices and remove a Russian ally, while Venezuela can slowly normalize into the world, if it happens. Show nested quote +Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine. The trip is the highest-level visit by Washington officials to Caracas, Venezuela’s capital, in years. The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Mr. Maduro and closed its embassy in Caracas in 2019, after accusing the authoritarian leader of electoral fraud. The Trump administration then tried to topple Mr. Maduro’s government by sanctioning Venezuelan oil exports and the country’s senior officials, and by recognizing the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, as Venezuela’s lawful president. Mr. Maduro responded to the sanctions by seeking economic and diplomatic help from Russia, as well as from Iran and China. Russian energy companies and banks have been instrumental in allowing Venezuela to continue exporting oil, the country’s biggest source of foreign currency, despite the sanctions, according to U.S. officials, Venezuelan officials and businessmen. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has prompted the United States to pay closer attention to President Vladimir V. Putin’s allies in Latin America, which Washington believes could become security threats if the standoff with Russia deepens, according to current and former U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive policy matters. As Russia’s economy craters, the U.S. is seizing on an opportunity to advance its agenda among Latin American autocracies that might start seeing Mr. Putin as an increasingly weak ally. When the U.S. and its allies began considering sanctions on Russian oil and gas exports this month to punish the country for devastation wrought in Ukraine, prominent voices affiliated with both major American political parties pointed to Venezuela as a potential substitute. ... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html
Not a fan of this move at all. Either they recognize Maduro (which he's sure to want) as leader, or they do some agreement that Obama did with Iran. Which means jack shit according to history.
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On March 06 2022 08:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 08:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:Interesting diplomatic maneuver from the Biden admin to attempt to strike a deal with Venezuela for their oil and further cleave Russia from its allies. For context, Venezuela's not a friend of the U.S. and is a key Russian ally; is run by Maduro who probably rigged an election; and has been sanctioned heavily by an American-led movement. But both sides see an opportunity here to gain. The U.S. can help relieve oil prices and remove a Russian ally, while Venezuela can slowly normalize into the world, if it happens. Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine. The trip is the highest-level visit by Washington officials to Caracas, Venezuela’s capital, in years. The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Mr. Maduro and closed its embassy in Caracas in 2019, after accusing the authoritarian leader of electoral fraud. The Trump administration then tried to topple Mr. Maduro’s government by sanctioning Venezuelan oil exports and the country’s senior officials, and by recognizing the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, as Venezuela’s lawful president. Mr. Maduro responded to the sanctions by seeking economic and diplomatic help from Russia, as well as from Iran and China. Russian energy companies and banks have been instrumental in allowing Venezuela to continue exporting oil, the country’s biggest source of foreign currency, despite the sanctions, according to U.S. officials, Venezuelan officials and businessmen. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has prompted the United States to pay closer attention to President Vladimir V. Putin’s allies in Latin America, which Washington believes could become security threats if the standoff with Russia deepens, according to current and former U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive policy matters. As Russia’s economy craters, the U.S. is seizing on an opportunity to advance its agenda among Latin American autocracies that might start seeing Mr. Putin as an increasingly weak ally. When the U.S. and its allies began considering sanctions on Russian oil and gas exports this month to punish the country for devastation wrought in Ukraine, prominent voices affiliated with both major American political parties pointed to Venezuela as a potential substitute. ... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html Not a fan of this move at all. Either they recognize Maduro (which he's sure to want) as leader, or they do some agreement that Obama did with Iran. Which means jack shit according to history.
US policy with Venezuela hasn’t gotten anywhere in decades (literally since the election of Chavez). Venezuela needs a new sugar daddy and the west needs a new petrol station. Call me a pragmatist but I think there’s certainly value in exploring it. They may not be a liberal democracy but nor is Russia who we currently get a lot of oil from. Better that corrupt Venezuelan officials shit in gold toilets than German euros arm Russian soldiers.
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Could it happen? Yeah sure. Will it? No. Seeing how the US portion of the ISS powers the entire station. Not really sure what the end game here is with this.
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On March 06 2022 10:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Could it happen? Yeah sure. Will it? No. Seeing how the US portion of the ISS powers the entire station. Not really sure what the end game here is with this. + Show Spoiler +
That would mean the cosmonauts would intentionally do that and destroy their life's work for the ego of Putin? Just give them asylum in the US to not do it, I'm sure they'll be much happier there than in post-sanction Russia anyway.
Or maybe Trump's Space Force can send in the stimpacked space marines
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On March 06 2022 11:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 10:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Could it happen? Yeah sure. Will it? No. Seeing how the US portion of the ISS powers the entire station. Not really sure what the end game here is with this. + Show Spoiler + That would mean the cosmonauts would intentionally do that and destroy their life's work for the ego of Putin? Just give them asylum in the US to not do it, I'm sure they'll be much happier there than in post-sanction Russia anyway. Or maybe Trump's Space Force can send in the stimpacked space marines
I have a hard time imagining the cosmonauts would betray a direct order. However, also have doubts that they would detach the only current orbit-adjustment thrusters available knowing it would end the whole station, (likely until Starliner figures its issues out, or if SpaceX can conjure up something < year.)
This seems like propaganda per usual, more bark than teeth. Without Falcon9 and Dragon they would have had so much more influence here. They are still scheduled to fly cosmonauts on Crew Dragon this year if I am not mistaken.
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On March 06 2022 08:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 08:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:Interesting diplomatic maneuver from the Biden admin to attempt to strike a deal with Venezuela for their oil and further cleave Russia from its allies. For context, Venezuela's not a friend of the U.S. and is a key Russian ally; is run by Maduro who probably rigged an election; and has been sanctioned heavily by an American-led movement. But both sides see an opportunity here to gain. The U.S. can help relieve oil prices and remove a Russian ally, while Venezuela can slowly normalize into the world, if it happens. Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine. The trip is the highest-level visit by Washington officials to Caracas, Venezuela’s capital, in years. The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Mr. Maduro and closed its embassy in Caracas in 2019, after accusing the authoritarian leader of electoral fraud. The Trump administration then tried to topple Mr. Maduro’s government by sanctioning Venezuelan oil exports and the country’s senior officials, and by recognizing the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, as Venezuela’s lawful president. Mr. Maduro responded to the sanctions by seeking economic and diplomatic help from Russia, as well as from Iran and China. Russian energy companies and banks have been instrumental in allowing Venezuela to continue exporting oil, the country’s biggest source of foreign currency, despite the sanctions, according to U.S. officials, Venezuelan officials and businessmen. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has prompted the United States to pay closer attention to President Vladimir V. Putin’s allies in Latin America, which Washington believes could become security threats if the standoff with Russia deepens, according to current and former U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive policy matters. As Russia’s economy craters, the U.S. is seizing on an opportunity to advance its agenda among Latin American autocracies that might start seeing Mr. Putin as an increasingly weak ally. When the U.S. and its allies began considering sanctions on Russian oil and gas exports this month to punish the country for devastation wrought in Ukraine, prominent voices affiliated with both major American political parties pointed to Venezuela as a potential substitute. ... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html Not a fan of this move at all. Either they recognize Maduro (which he's sure to want) as leader, or they do some agreement that Obama did with Iran. Which means jack shit according to history.
Is this a joke? Maduro is a war criminal against his own citizens and anything less than a trial and an execution is unacceptable. At least 3 million venezuelans had fled Venezuela and thousands get detained and killed every year, you will not find a single country in latin america that doesn't have a large venezuelan expat comunity that doesn't feel exactly this way.
Venezuela is such a communist shit hole it can't even produce oil, anyway.
Worse off, giving any money to Venezuela will only provide resources for them to keep destabilizing other latin american countries. Colombia, Chile and Brazil are at great risk right now.
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On March 06 2022 07:11 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 05:45 Yurie wrote:On March 06 2022 04:59 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money. The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now. Electricity doesn’t compete with gas for heating. Different markets. On a 10 year horizon they do. If gas was used for heating here it would be in remote heating of water or burning it up for electricity. You can switch to electric heating, either per building or per area. 10 years is both too late for energy dependency as well as the climate. yay us, I guess?
I guess 5 years is doable. Spend 2 years building factories and supply chains. 3 years replacing infrastructure. It isn't that we don't have the technology, same as with wind or solar. It is that we don't have the production, installation capacity and will.
As for a slightly related topic. Honestly think the nuclear plants in Eastern half of Ukraine should be turned off. Ukraine wants them for power generation but to use them for that they have to defend them. Since Russia seems to want to cause massive damage to ruin morale and fighting effectiveness they will take over any plant they can. This causes fights that are not good for either side if it somehow goes catastrophic (unlikely as far as news sources say). I guess we'll see what happens at Kostiantynivka.
Seems the encirclement of Kyiv is slowly progressing with other routes to the city being taken. Overall the progress has slowed down in territorial gains from Russia with only the southern front making a lot of progress.
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On March 06 2022 21:51 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 07:11 Artisreal wrote:On March 06 2022 05:45 Yurie wrote:On March 06 2022 04:59 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money. The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now. Electricity doesn’t compete with gas for heating. Different markets. On a 10 year horizon they do. If gas was used for heating here it would be in remote heating of water or burning it up for electricity. You can switch to electric heating, either per building or per area. 10 years is both too late for energy dependency as well as the climate. yay us, I guess? I guess 5 years is doable. Spend 2 years building factories and supply chains. 3 years replacing infrastructure. It isn't that we don't have the technology, same as with wind or solar. It is that we don't have the production, installation capacity and will. As for a slightly related topic. Honestly think the nuclear plants in Eastern half of Ukraine should be turned off. Ukraine wants them for power generation but to use them for that they have to defend them. Since Russia seems to want to cause massive damage to ruin morale and fighting effectiveness they will take over any plant they can. This causes fights that are not good for either side if it somehow goes catastrophic (unlikely as far as news sources say). I guess we'll see what happens at Kostiantynivka. Seems the encirclement of Kyiv is slowly progressing with other routes to the city being taken. Overall the progress has slowed down in territorial gains from Russia with only the southern front making a lot of progress. https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1500444996264239107
To my understanding you can t just turn a nuclear plant off.
That was what led to the catastrophy in Tschernobyl after all
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On March 06 2022 22:40 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 21:51 Yurie wrote:On March 06 2022 07:11 Artisreal wrote:On March 06 2022 05:45 Yurie wrote:On March 06 2022 04:59 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money. The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now. Electricity doesn’t compete with gas for heating. Different markets. On a 10 year horizon they do. If gas was used for heating here it would be in remote heating of water or burning it up for electricity. You can switch to electric heating, either per building or per area. 10 years is both too late for energy dependency as well as the climate. yay us, I guess? I guess 5 years is doable. Spend 2 years building factories and supply chains. 3 years replacing infrastructure. It isn't that we don't have the technology, same as with wind or solar. It is that we don't have the production, installation capacity and will. As for a slightly related topic. Honestly think the nuclear plants in Eastern half of Ukraine should be turned off. Ukraine wants them for power generation but to use them for that they have to defend them. Since Russia seems to want to cause massive damage to ruin morale and fighting effectiveness they will take over any plant they can. This causes fights that are not good for either side if it somehow goes catastrophic (unlikely as far as news sources say). I guess we'll see what happens at Kostiantynivka. Seems the encirclement of Kyiv is slowly progressing with other routes to the city being taken. Overall the progress has slowed down in territorial gains from Russia with only the southern front making a lot of progress. https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1500444996264239107 To my understanding you can t just turn a nuclear plant off. That was what led to the catastrophy in Tschernobyl after all
You can't "shut down" a reactor but you can make it make almost no energy but putting it into its emergency "safe mode" where you slow the reaction that produces the energy as much as possible.
That disaster happened because they tried to restart the reaction a lot faster and refused to be careful and slow about it.
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On March 06 2022 21:06 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 08:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 06 2022 08:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:Interesting diplomatic maneuver from the Biden admin to attempt to strike a deal with Venezuela for their oil and further cleave Russia from its allies. For context, Venezuela's not a friend of the U.S. and is a key Russian ally; is run by Maduro who probably rigged an election; and has been sanctioned heavily by an American-led movement. But both sides see an opportunity here to gain. The U.S. can help relieve oil prices and remove a Russian ally, while Venezuela can slowly normalize into the world, if it happens. Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine. The trip is the highest-level visit by Washington officials to Caracas, Venezuela’s capital, in years. The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Mr. Maduro and closed its embassy in Caracas in 2019, after accusing the authoritarian leader of electoral fraud. The Trump administration then tried to topple Mr. Maduro’s government by sanctioning Venezuelan oil exports and the country’s senior officials, and by recognizing the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, as Venezuela’s lawful president. Mr. Maduro responded to the sanctions by seeking economic and diplomatic help from Russia, as well as from Iran and China. Russian energy companies and banks have been instrumental in allowing Venezuela to continue exporting oil, the country’s biggest source of foreign currency, despite the sanctions, according to U.S. officials, Venezuelan officials and businessmen. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has prompted the United States to pay closer attention to President Vladimir V. Putin’s allies in Latin America, which Washington believes could become security threats if the standoff with Russia deepens, according to current and former U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive policy matters. As Russia’s economy craters, the U.S. is seizing on an opportunity to advance its agenda among Latin American autocracies that might start seeing Mr. Putin as an increasingly weak ally. When the U.S. and its allies began considering sanctions on Russian oil and gas exports this month to punish the country for devastation wrought in Ukraine, prominent voices affiliated with both major American political parties pointed to Venezuela as a potential substitute. ... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html Not a fan of this move at all. Either they recognize Maduro (which he's sure to want) as leader, or they do some agreement that Obama did with Iran. Which means jack shit according to history. Is this a joke? Maduro is a war criminal against his own citizens and anything less than a trial and an execution is unacceptable. At least 3 million venezuelans had fled Venezuela and thousands get detained and killed every year, you will not find a single country in latin america that doesn't have a large venezuelan expat comunity that doesn't feel exactly this way. Venezuela is such a communist shit hole it can't even produce oil, anyway. Worse off, giving any money to Venezuela will only provide resources for them to keep destabilizing other latin american countries. Colombia, Chile and Brazil are at great risk right now.
I mean this is pretty on brand for the USA in south America. It would solve a lot of problems and benefit the united states, as well as out oil companies, at the end of the day isn't that the only thing that matters in Washington?
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On March 06 2022 21:06 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2022 08:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 06 2022 08:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:Interesting diplomatic maneuver from the Biden admin to attempt to strike a deal with Venezuela for their oil and further cleave Russia from its allies. For context, Venezuela's not a friend of the U.S. and is a key Russian ally; is run by Maduro who probably rigged an election; and has been sanctioned heavily by an American-led movement. But both sides see an opportunity here to gain. The U.S. can help relieve oil prices and remove a Russian ally, while Venezuela can slowly normalize into the world, if it happens. Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela on Saturday to meet with the government of President Nicolás Maduro, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Biden administration steps up efforts to separate Russia from its remaining international allies amid a widening standoff over Ukraine. The trip is the highest-level visit by Washington officials to Caracas, Venezuela’s capital, in years. The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Mr. Maduro and closed its embassy in Caracas in 2019, after accusing the authoritarian leader of electoral fraud. The Trump administration then tried to topple Mr. Maduro’s government by sanctioning Venezuelan oil exports and the country’s senior officials, and by recognizing the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, as Venezuela’s lawful president. Mr. Maduro responded to the sanctions by seeking economic and diplomatic help from Russia, as well as from Iran and China. Russian energy companies and banks have been instrumental in allowing Venezuela to continue exporting oil, the country’s biggest source of foreign currency, despite the sanctions, according to U.S. officials, Venezuelan officials and businessmen. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has prompted the United States to pay closer attention to President Vladimir V. Putin’s allies in Latin America, which Washington believes could become security threats if the standoff with Russia deepens, according to current and former U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive policy matters. As Russia’s economy craters, the U.S. is seizing on an opportunity to advance its agenda among Latin American autocracies that might start seeing Mr. Putin as an increasingly weak ally. When the U.S. and its allies began considering sanctions on Russian oil and gas exports this month to punish the country for devastation wrought in Ukraine, prominent voices affiliated with both major American political parties pointed to Venezuela as a potential substitute. ... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-russia-usa.html Not a fan of this move at all. Either they recognize Maduro (which he's sure to want) as leader, or they do some agreement that Obama did with Iran. Which means jack shit according to history. Is this a joke? Maduro is a war criminal against his own citizens and anything less than a trial and an execution is unacceptable. At least 3 million venezuelans had fled Venezuela and thousands get detained and killed every year, you will not find a single country in latin america that doesn't have a large venezuelan expat comunity that doesn't feel exactly this way. Venezuela is such a communist shit hole it can't even produce oil, anyway. Worse off, giving any money to Venezuela will only provide resources for them to keep destabilizing other latin american countries. Colombia, Chile and Brazil are at great risk right now.
First off, I agree that the US giving legitimacy to Maduro's government is an idiotic idea that should absolutely not happen for the good of Venezuela.
That said, Venezuela's influence on Brazil is approximately 0. Brazil's instability is brought on by having a right-wing populist lunatic in charge. And Venezuela has even less influence over Chile. The only country directly affected by all of Maduro's craziness is Colombia (beyond having to deal with refugees, which most of South America has had coming out of Venezuela for a while now). And in any case, that is all offtopic.
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Unlikely that officials from USA are traveling to Venezuela to discuss recognising Madura in return for oil from Venuzuela. Venuzuela is one of Russia's political allies and USA has plenty of accessible oil now, thanks to shale oil technology and large shale oil deposits, which luckily for them means they are fairly insulated from the effects of sanctions on Russia. The rest of the world may not be so lucky. More likely it would be to ease sanctions on Venuzuela in return for no longer being an ally of Russia.
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On March 07 2022 00:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Unlikely that officials from USA are traveling to Venezuela to discuss recognising Madura in return for oil from Venuzuela. Venuzuela is one of Russia's political allies and USA has plenty of accessible oil now, thanks to shale oil technology and large shale oil deposits, which luckily for them means they are fairly insulated from the effects of sanctions on Russia. The rest of the world may not be so lucky. More likely it would be to ease sanctions on Venuzuela in return for no longer being an ally of Russia.
Those oil deposits are a lot more expensive to get gas out of than the OPEC deposits. OPEC has been focused in the last decade or more to try their best to make oil cheap enough that its not profitable to get that oil, which means that those fields go dormat.
They won't produce more oil until after the war in order for russia to get the funding it needs to sustain itself. If those shale deposits start producing again now the war might be over and OPEC might increase production by the time it pays for itself.
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