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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 05 2022 18:25 GMT
#621
On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money.

The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now.

No.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 05 2022 18:27 GMT
#622
Meeting appears to have ended with the Israeli PM talked to Zelensky as well.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 05 2022 18:57 GMT
#623
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
March 05 2022 19:08 GMT
#624
I doubt a no fly zone means nukes. Kwark is right in that sense imo. The real problem with a no fly zone is that you're escalating the conflict which can spiral out of control. Then we might see nukes.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 05 2022 19:15 GMT
#625
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r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1058 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-05 19:25:32
March 05 2022 19:24 GMT
#626
On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money.

The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now.


Don't worry, the coal will save us and keep powering the emerging electric cars. :/ But for what it's worth nuclear is on the table again, even with the green party participating in government. Problem is, how long does it take for Germany to build a new NPP? We need to talk about reactivating, or this is gonna take decades.
I'm aware that Uranium isn't free and have the opinion, that the true costs of nuclear power are distorted. It's still pretty appealing considering the alternatives.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14075 Posts
March 05 2022 19:27 GMT
#627
Macon kickstaring nuclear power might mean that Germany can get a reactor or two started in the decade with their supplies. I assume the eu works on a joint powergrid so even if Germany wants to go with coal and gas over nuclear they're still going to be factoring in nuclear into their plans going forward.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
March 05 2022 19:28 GMT
#628
On March 06 2022 03:57 JimmiC wrote:
Now Putin is saying the economic sanctions are the same as a declaration of war, in a way I think it weakens his position because he has not used his nukes for that, so he in a way is saying he wouldnt if they did a no fly zone.

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LIVE UPDATES The Russian President says sanctions introduced on his country are equal to a 'declaration of war' as Moscow issues no-fly zone warning


Yea the sanctions weren't a big deal when he thought they were going to be finished with Ukraine in a couple of days and that Germany would never participate.

Now he's realizing that the sanctions are going to be a HUGE problem, because Ukraine is not going to just roll over and let the Russians through. He's looking at a long and grueling quagmire as a worst case scenario and with the sanctions being intensified by almost the entire world there's no way he can afford that and he knows it.

So he's doing what Putin does. He's doubling down on the aggression because what else is he supposed to do? Relent? He can't do that because then his entire image of being this strong unbeatable nationalist gets thrown on its ass.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22145 Posts
March 05 2022 19:37 GMT
#629
On March 06 2022 04:08 RvB wrote:
I doubt a no fly zone means nukes. Then we might see nukes.


Shortened it for you.

This would be doublethink in Orwellian terms.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43464 Posts
March 05 2022 19:59 GMT
#630
On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money.

The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now.

Electricity doesn’t compete with gas for heating. Different markets.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
March 05 2022 20:25 GMT
#631
I was seven when the US invaded Iraq and don't remember much of what happened then. Is the reaction we're seeing today to remove everything Russian similar to what happened then?
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
March 05 2022 20:26 GMT
#632
On March 05 2022 17:04 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 05 2022 14:20 plasmidghost wrote:
Finally some good news for the time being


Good news? That just means there was more fighting around it, and will be again when Russia tries to retake it. And every battle has the chance of dealing more damage to it.

Ah, yeah, good point, thank you for saying that
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 05 2022 20:37 GMT
#633
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12002 Posts
March 05 2022 20:45 GMT
#634
On March 06 2022 04:59 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:
On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money.

The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now.

Electricity doesn’t compete with gas for heating. Different markets.


On a 10 year horizon they do. If gas was used for heating here it would be in remote heating of water or burning it up for electricity. You can switch to electric heating, either per building or per area.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3261 Posts
March 05 2022 21:08 GMT
#635
On March 06 2022 05:25 plasmidghost wrote:
I was seven when the US invaded Iraq and don't remember much of what happened then. Is the reaction we're seeing today to remove everything Russian similar to what happened then?

There were some demonstrations here at least.

But the USA is our (EUs) close political partner while Russia has been our geopolitical enemy for the last 80 years give or take, so naturally media reporting as well as political sanctions are gonna be way more drastic. To boot Iraq is quite a bit away, while Ukraine is on our doorstep.
low gravity, yes-yes!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 05 2022 21:11 GMT
#636
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
March 05 2022 21:23 GMT
#637
On March 06 2022 06:11 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2022 06:08 Archeon wrote:
On March 06 2022 05:25 plasmidghost wrote:
I was seven when the US invaded Iraq and don't remember much of what happened then. Is the reaction we're seeing today to remove everything Russian similar to what happened then?

There were some demonstrations here at least.

But the USA is our (EUs) close political partner while Russia has been our geopolitical enemy for the last 80 years give or take, so naturally media reporting as well as political sanctions are gonna be way more drastic. To boot Iraq is quite a bit away, while Ukraine is on our doorstep.

Also it was a dictatorship ran by a guy who gassed his own people and a whole bunch of other horrible human rights offenses, tried to take over other countries and so on. Iraq and Ukraine should not be compared for like 10000 reasons.

Got it, thank y'all!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
March 05 2022 21:56 GMT
#638
Source

President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin stated that if Ukraine "continues to behave like this," it will "endanger the future of its statehood."

"the current government in Kyiv has to realise that if they continue to behave like this, they will endanger the future of Ukraine’s statehood. And if this happens it will be entirely their responsibility."


LOL. "Stop resisting my attempt to conquer your country or I will conquer your country!"

This dude is backed into such a corner he doesn't even make sense anymore. What does this threat even mean? That after he's finished conquering them he's not going to let them become a state? They don't want to be annexed or conquered at all you buffoon! That's why they're resisting you and welcoming foreign aid to do so.

User was warned for this post.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria835 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-05 22:59:00
March 05 2022 22:08 GMT
#639
On March 06 2022 06:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
Source

Show nested quote +
President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin stated that if Ukraine "continues to behave like this," it will "endanger the future of its statehood."

"the current government in Kyiv has to realise that if they continue to behave like this, they will endanger the future of Ukraine’s statehood. And if this happens it will be entirely their responsibility."


LOL. "Stop resisting my attempt to conquer your country or I will conquer your country!"

This dude is backed into such a corner he doesn't even make sense anymore. What does this threat even mean? That after he's finished conquering them he's not going to let them become a state? They don't want to be annexed or conquered at all you buffoon! That's why they're resisting you and welcoming foreign aid to do so.


Yep, typical macho talk from Putin. I like how some UK general has called him 'cornered rat'. You should all watch Navalny's video (EN subtitles are available), it's really insightful of how mad this person is.

Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 05 2022 22:11 GMT
#640
On March 06 2022 05:45 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2022 04:59 KwarK wrote:
On March 06 2022 03:11 iopq wrote:
On March 05 2022 01:05 AEsgaims wrote:
The US and Europe's failure to fully sanction everything economic (including oil and gas) prior to the unfolding disaster is completely rooted in the continued dependence on fossil fuels throughout the world. We have to finally start seriously pushing EVs, solar, wind power, and other renewables so that we can stop depending on fossil fuels. That being said, there is no excuse for not delivering this punch now. I think its time to sanction all of the fossil fuels coming out of Russia and cut off the supply of oil money.

The whole problem is with limiting domestic production. If Germany didn't limit nuclear, it wouldn't be in the position it is right now.

Electricity doesn’t compete with gas for heating. Different markets.


On a 10 year horizon they do. If gas was used for heating here it would be in remote heating of water or burning it up for electricity. You can switch to electric heating, either per building or per area.

10 years is both too late for energy dependency as well as the climate.

yay us, I guess?
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