Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 30

On March 05 2022 06:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Unbelievable... one has to wonder how European intelligence is processing this.

On March 05 2022 07:54 Sadist wrote:



I dont believe it.



People say all sort of shit to incite. Look at Lindsey Graham.

Outside of using nuclear weapons, Russia isnt competing with NATO forces. They wont have the resources after Ukraine.

On March 05 2022 05:29 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
@pmh I personally don't see this approach as being middle of the road at all. Russia has been economically and culturally cut off from the West in the span of two weeks.
It's close on the hardest stance that could be taken without risking a MAD scenario.

On March 05 2022 09:01 plasmidghost wrote:
Russia's committed pretty much every military resource they initially provisioned to the invasion. At this point, unless things in Ukraine collapse suddenly, I don't see them being able to invade anywhere else, not even Moldova

On March 05 2022 09:07 pmh wrote:


You are right. After thinking about it a bit more i have to agree. Which is one (though not the only) reason why i removed my post. But since it got quoted.

This is indeed as far as Nato can realistically go,maybe even further. Verry close to getting directly involved.
It is going much further then anything that would have been possible during the cold war. But its still a very bad outcome for everyone involved including Russia itself and that is very saddening.

There must be a better solution i feel. I have been thinking about this a lot but i can not find it unfortunately.

And just to be clear: My post was not meant as an argument to get directly involved. Nor as an argument to give in to russias demands and draw a new line. Just trying to look for alternatives to see if there potentially is an outcome that is better. As it looks now this is indeed impossible but something tells me that there must be a better alternative for all parties. Both Russia and Ukraine.

On March 05 2022 14:20 plasmidghost wrote:
Finally some good news for the time being

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1499971408209887233

On March 05 2022 10:19 deacon.frost wrote:

There's none. Ukraine wanted NATO. Russia didn't want Ukraine in NATO(technically they didn't want something else, but considering the NATO in the past 20 years it's the same). There's no middle solution because nobody wanted any.

For the last 14 years the stance of countries has been:
NATO was arguing that Ukraine has their right to choose and that they will accept anyone willing and commiting to it.
Ukraine was arguing they are sovereign country and as such they choose NATO.
And Russia was arguing they don't want so many NATO infrastructure next to their borders and that Ukraine and Georgia in NATO will be seen as a security risk and will be taken very seriously.

There's no middle ground in this.

On March 05 2022 17:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I don’t think the whole military infrastructure and whatnot is the reason Russia is so pissed at nato expansion. It’s about countries leaving its sphere of influence, and Russia not being able to just send the tanks in response.

No one will ever attack Russia, it has the nuclear potential to blow up the planet, and no amount of encirclement, military bases and whatnot changes a thing to it.

On March 05 2022 18:37 xM(Z wrote:
you can't "turn" to the west and keep being turned to the west without being in NATO. Russia will eventually "get you".

On March 05 2022 18:41 Acrofales wrote:

As evidenced by the situation in Ukraine. But *why* is that? Why does Russia (or at least Russia's ruling class) cling to 19th century ideas of imperialism?

On March 05 2022 18:41 Acrofales wrote:

As evidenced by the situation in Ukraine. But *why* is that? Why does Russia (or at least Russia's ruling class) cling to 19th century ideas of imperialism?