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On July 19 2025 22:21 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2025 20:47 Gorsameth wrote:On July 19 2025 20:29 Magic Powers wrote:On July 19 2025 19:36 Gorsameth wrote:On July 19 2025 19:31 Magic Powers wrote:On July 19 2025 19:17 Gorsameth wrote:On July 19 2025 18:54 Magic Powers wrote:On July 19 2025 18:34 Gorsameth wrote:On July 19 2025 16:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 19 2025 07:06 KwarK wrote:
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You're the one calling them rabbits. You're the one doing that. My interpretation is completely fair. Unless you've never heard of that phrase. You should go back to school and study English. On July 19 2025 15:07 Nebuchad wrote:
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Nah he was just mocking you Oh I know KwarK is mocking me. It's just... he's revealing his own racism. Not mine. Gaza had a birthrate of ~3.3 in 2023 down from ~6 in 2000. This still puts them near the top 50 in the world. poor people without access to contraception procreate, those in conflict area's, perhaps counter intuitively, even more so (Somalia, Chad, Niger, Congo, Central African Republic are the top 5 all with a fertility rate of over 6). ourworldindata.orgThere is nothing racist about saying Palestinians procreate a lot, they do. Like (almost) everyone in somewhat similar positions around the world. The racist part comes later. KwarK follows with his conclusion that Gazans are hopeless based on them fucking like rabbits and thus having no future. He omits the part where Israel very deliberately doesn't allow them any hope for statehood and never has allowed them any such hope. Far from it, Israel has created war, famine, ethnically cleansed the West Bank (thus also showing Gazans their guaranteed future), and propped up Hamas while undermining PA. None of this is because of Gazans having too many kids. Their predicament is caused by those with power and only those with power. Gazans are innocent, and if they were given a real chance, they'd be able to take it and build a future for themselves. Meanwhile KwarK: they fuck, so they fail. your adding stuff that isn't in the post your complaining about so that you can complain about it. Gaza is fucked and ending the war doesn't stop them from being fucked because Gaza is a refugee camp with the population density of London without the rest of England around it to provide for food. Its inhabited by 50% children and its population is growing rapidly only compounding the long term problems. The time to 'fix' Gaza and allow it to stand on its own was decades ago. No amount of will and drive is going to fix the situation because the math of that many people in 1 area without surrounding countryside doesn't add up unless we're rebuilding it into the first greenhouse skyscraper city in the world. 'We' in this thread have talked about this numerous times in the past, including after oct 7th. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. The simple numbers of people, land and age means Gaza is fucked beyond fucked no matter who lives there. There is no solution without massive geopolitical change, that many people cannot love on that amount of land without massive external dependancy. Its not that they fuck so they fail. They live in a failed state so they fuck. As everyone living in a failed state does. KwarK has every opportunity to clarify to make himself look better. He's known for making outrageous comments and doubling down on them instead of elaborating to make himself look good. You don't have to defend his racism in his stead. Also, Gazans can absolutely achieve statehood if they're allowed to do so. Their birth rate is irrelevant. It's an excuse to maintain the war. its not about statehood. I can make statehood if my home country would let me. That problem is becoming a functional state capable of taking care of its citizens. And Gaza in its current incarnation can't. Not because of racism or its people but because the numbers don't add up. And we've had this same discussion last year without you coming in shouting "omg racist". The only reason why Gazans can't form a functioning state is Israel's administration. Israel is stopping Gaza from being a state, no one is disputing that. But a functioning state? its 2 million people, half of whom are children living in the population density of a metropolitan city, where are they going to grow their food? Stopping this war and giving Palestinians their own recognised sovereign state doesn't solve the crisis in Gaza, its obviously the first step but Gaza is unsustainable give the current land and the amount of people living there. Which is Kwarks point. Decades of refusal to take difficult steps in resolving the refugee crisis have brought it to a point where it is now beyond resolution. That’s one of the most depressing things about the crisis. I appreciate that you understood my post. However you’re wasting your time attempting to argue with someone who also understood my post but wants to call me a racist.
I don't want to call you anything, you've just revealed yourself as a racist and karma is a bitch. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out. You started the shit between us, so you'll have to tolerate a few blows to your ego.
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MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly.
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Kwark's position in this thread on the whole could hardly be called "pro-Israel" but because he actually offers nuanced takes and assigns blame to all sides deserving of blame he frequently gets shouted down as some kind of zionist sympathizer. Pretty standard as far as conversation in left wing circles goes.
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On July 20 2025 04:45 Sermokala wrote:
MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly.
I invented nothing. His comment is racist, and I don't care how much you defend him. I didn't call them animals, you made that up. If you don't know the phrase, that's your problem.
Your defense of KwarK's racist comment speaks pretty loudly, too.
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What happens when the Ouroboros gets to its own head?
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On July 20 2025 06:30 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2025 04:45 Sermokala wrote:
MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly. I invented nothing. His comment is racist, and I don't care how much you defend him. I didn't call them animals, you made that up. If you don't know the phrase, that's your problem. Your defense of KwarK's racist comment speaks pretty loudly, too.
You called them rabbits MP, you can't "its just a phrase" away the choice of words you made. Trying to gaslight people and refusing to acknowledge your mistake would work a lot better if it wasn't through text.
Constantly trying to make Kwarks comment racist doesn't make it racist. People in an open air mixed sex prison with nothing to do reproduce a lot. Thats got nothing to do with their race it would happen with any group of mixed sex people with nothing to do with their time and can't go anywhere.
On July 20 2025 06:40 Uldridge wrote:
What happens when the Ouroboros gets to its own head?
It doesn't, It would be a form of mercy for the torture the ouroboros is in for it to end. Part of the horror of the ouroboros is the inherent, inescapable torment that it finds itself in. The consumption of itself fuels its growth, causing more consumption to occur.
Its a greater philosophical statement on the cycles that humanity could break to better itself and the deceptivly simple answers to them. "Just stop eating your own tail" to a beast that Is cursed to eat itself constantly.
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On July 20 2025 05:40 BlackJack wrote:
Kwark's position in this thread on the whole could hardly be called "pro-Israel" but because he actually offers nuanced takes and assigns blame to all sides deserving of blame he frequently gets shouted down as some kind of zionist sympathizer. Pretty standard as far as conversation in left wing circles goes.
Good, that's how I want it. Not particularly into reading nuanced opinions on ethnic cleansings.
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On July 20 2025 08:35 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2025 06:30 Magic Powers wrote:On July 20 2025 04:45 Sermokala wrote:
MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly. I invented nothing. His comment is racist, and I don't care how much you defend him. I didn't call them animals, you made that up. If you don't know the phrase, that's your problem. Your defense of KwarK's racist comment speaks pretty loudly, too. You called them rabbits MP, you can't "its just a phrase" away the choice of words you made. Trying to gaslight people and refusing to acknowledge your mistake would work a lot better if it wasn't through text. Constantly trying to make Kwarks comment racist doesn't make it racist. People in an open air mixed sex prison with nothing to do reproduce a lot. Thats got nothing to do with their race it would happen with any group of mixed sex people with nothing to do with their time and can't go anywhere.
He literally didn’t call them rabbits. Do we have to explain similes now? If you’re on a ferris wheel and you remark the people on the ground look “as small as ants” you’re not literally calling them insects.
noun: simile; plural noun: similes
a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g., as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox ).
I’m pretty sure Kwark was being sarcastic when he called MP’s post racist. MP made a ridiculous post to imply that Kwark was anti-Arab racist and so Kwark was showing how he can play the same game. It’s an “I know you are but what am I” playground retort because MP’s original post doesn’t warrant a serious response.
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On July 20 2025 08:35 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2025 06:30 Magic Powers wrote:On July 20 2025 04:45 Sermokala wrote:
MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly. I invented nothing. His comment is racist, and I don't care how much you defend him. I didn't call them animals, you made that up. If you don't know the phrase, that's your problem. Your defense of KwarK's racist comment speaks pretty loudly, too. You called them rabbits MP, you can't "its just a phrase" away the choice of words you made. Trying to gaslight people and refusing to acknowledge your mistake would work a lot better if it wasn't through text. Constantly trying to make Kwarks comment racist doesn't make it racist. People in an open air mixed sex prison with nothing to do reproduce a lot. Thats got nothing to do with their race it would happen with any group of mixed sex people with nothing to do with their time and can't go anywhere. Show nested quote +On July 20 2025 06:40 Uldridge wrote:
What happens when the Ouroboros gets to its own head? It doesn't, It would be a form of mercy for the torture the ouroboros is in for it to end. Part of the horror of the ouroboros is the inherent, inescapable torment that it finds itself in. The consumption of itself fuels its growth, causing more consumption to occur. Its a greater philosophical statement on the cycles that humanity could break to better itself and the deceptivly simple answers to them. "Just stop eating your own tail" to a beast that Is cursed to eat itself constantly.
Sermokola, you're embarrassing yourself. My words are the interpretation of KwarK's words. He said they reproduce like rabbits, not me.
This is also not the first time KwarK has been openly racist. He's also openly in favor of mass deportation of illegal non-citizens in the US.
On June 10 2025 07:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2025 07:56 WombaT wrote:I have a bad history with polls, they usually actively disprove my intuition, but hey nout wrong with data. Also for this hypothetical poll, we’re assuming some relatively benign detection and enforcement mechanisms Poll: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation?Yes (18) 67% No (9) 33% 27 total votes Your vote: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Yes, they should be deported. But they should be deported humanely, lawfully, to their home countries, and subject to appeal. So if the person is a citizen then they get a chance to tell that to a judge, even if ICE have them mixed up with a non citizen. A process whereby someone the state identifies as a non citizen is seized in secret and sent to a foreign prison in secret without the knowledge of their family and without access to any legal recourse is just disappearing people. We have rules that govern the state monopoly on violence, there are legal limits to what they can do. If the police arrest you then you have to go with them and plead your innocence to a court. If secret police try to disappear you then they’re acting outside of the scope of the social contract and you don’t have to do shit. The foreign prison part is bananas because of their insistence on a loophole that the foreign part exempts it from the judicial system because foreign = executive. Indefinite imprisonment without trial is not the same thing as border control.
https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5010#100188
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On July 19 2025 23:11 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2025 21:06 RvB wrote:On July 19 2025 17:36 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On July 19 2025 16:29 RvB wrote:On July 19 2025 09:35 Mohdoo wrote:On July 17 2025 01:44 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On July 17 2025 01:24 Broetchenholer wrote:
Honestly, I do not have enough information on the situation in Syria to offer an opinion. But it feels phony, because the articles written about it dance around the issue like hell. They write what Israel does and what they say to legitimize the attacks but at no point are they telling the reader that this legitimizing action actually took place. Under each atrocity committed by the idf reported by Tagesschau, the reporting had a sentence that the current war was caused by the 7th attack, killing 1200, etc. Here, this factual but moralizing statement is missing, so I guess they are just really really unsure whether protecting the druze from Syria is bullshit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Syria/s/TkOW5rbm3lSummary from the Syrian subreddit. Thanks for posting this. I have consumed very little information other than this. Based on this, it feels totally insane for Israel to prioritize this little fringe group over keeping a good relationship with Syria. Very weird situation. Normally Israel's actions are clearly unethical but I have an easy time understanding why they view it as in their best interests. In this case, I truly don't understand how this is good bang for buck. That's a perfect example why Reddit is not a news source. The government forces executed, looted, and humiliated the Druze. The reason for Israel's intervention is not that complicated. They don't want Jihadists on their border. Additionally the Druze have strong representation in the IDF and Israeli politics. Apparently Al Sharaa thought the US and Israel were okay with the troop deployment to southern Syria. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group, has said it has documented the killing of at least 594 people since Sunday, including 154 Druze civilians, of whom 83 were summarily killed by government forces, and three members of Bedouin tribes who were summarily killed by Druze fighters.
Syria's interim president said government forces had expelled "outlaw groups" in Suweida
Nayef, a Druze man whose name we have also changed, was also confronted with horrific scenes in Suweida.
"We are collecting bodies from the streets. We found bodies left outside houses, next to houses for two or three days," he told the BBC in a phone interview.
Despite being a government employee, Nayef lashed out in disbelief at what he saw as the government forces' brutality inside the city.
"They stormed neighbourhoods, selecting the houses that look wealthy. They looted these houses and then torched them. They sprayed unarmed civilians with bullets."
Videos circulating on social media appeared to support Nayef's allegations.
Footage shared on Facebook on Wednesday afternoon shows at least half-a-dozen men dressed in camouflage firing live rounds at a group of residents, who are kneeling on the sidewalk.
The UN human rights office said it had documented the killing of at least 13 people on Tuesday by armed men affiliated with the government who deliberately opened fire at a family gathering. On the same day, they reportedly summarily executed six men near their homes.
While bullets and shells rained down, Suweida residents were left wondering when help was coming.
But it never came.
Rima said she watched as security forces and foreign fighters entered her neighbourhood and later shot her neighbour in front of his mother.
"Is this the army and security forces who were supposed to come and protect us?" she asked. "People's livelihoods were stolen. Those who were killed were young and unarmed."
Other testimony we heard backed up Rima's claim. Those we spoke to said most of the fighters who entered Suweida and attacked civilians appeared to be Islamists.
One woman heard the fighters shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) in her building, calling the Druze "infidels" and "pigs", and saying they were there to kill them.
Some of these fighters posted videos of themselves online humiliating men in Suweida, including cutting or shaving off the moustaches of Druze sheikhs. The moustaches are a symbol of Druze religious identity. www.bbc.com If it's from the Syrian subreddit it's of course partial but it's pretty factual for all that. No doubt Syrian security forces killed civilians. It's the middle east there are no good guys. However the fact that Israel and the druze has now done a 180 and turned the entire province over these horrible general security forces is a pretty clear indication they probably aren't the biggest problem. In the first 48 hours about half of the casulties were general security, a small amount of beduin fighters (18) and of the remaining part about 50-50 druze militia/civilians. I don't know the timeline but it's likely the bulk of civilians were killed after the initial ambush/fighting when reinforcements arrived. The reason the druze are now on the brink of annihilation is because they continued fucking with the local beduin tribe, notably taking women and children as hostages. I had no clue how the beduin worked but apparently they fight among themselves but are losely allied against outer threats. They also operate on old testament honor codes and are transnational in the middle east. Within 48 hours the druze were outnumbered between 5-10:1 (at least). The Syrian government takes a lot of flak for not being able to control their forces but at least they care about external pressure and they try. Israel have no chance stopping a group that doesn't care about the government or international relations at all. Arguably it would only make it worse since beduin tribes from Iraq Jordan, SA Qatar would likely join in. So here we are, 180 on what caused this shit in the first place and last call for the druze. They start figthing goverment security forces again it's probably over. The Reddit post is very one sided and leaves out one of the main events of the conflict. Calling that partial is quite an understatement. It's not even the first time it happens. It looks almost exactly the same as the violence against the Alawites months ago. Your claim that there has been a 180 is also false. Druze leaders had offered to give up their weapons before the intervention. Neither are Bedouin from all over the middle east going to participate. Most of them are settled nowadays. They did nothing when Hamas massacred Bedouin. https://english.enabbaladi.net/archives/2025/03/details-of-damascus-as-suwayda-agreement/Talking about this agreement? The fundamental part was that security in the governate was to be handled by locals under the auspex of general security and that government forces would not enter the province. Pretty far from anyone being ready to to hand over their guns. This obviously didn't work. 2 months ago there were clashes among the beduin and druze and clashes when goverment forces tried to enter the province. I guess you missed the part where Israel bombed security forces and Damascus to force them to leave 5 days ago when the same thing happened? The policy from Israel and (some) druze was obviously no goverment forces in Suweyda. Now both parts want goverment security to take control (and no 48 hours either). If that's not a 180 I don't know what is. As for the beduin it doesn't appear to be any kind of formal agreement but all tribes in Syria mobilising seems to be rare so they obviously care about this. No way they need backup but theorise that Israel does and air campaign that puts Gaza to shame I doubt their relatives on the other side of the border would just go with the flow. Also it's pretty hard to distinguish tribal figthers in a car or house from regular people and I doubt Israel want to bomb all vehicles in the south and all the houses in occupied villages.
No I'm not talking about that agreement. I linked the source previously:
One reason for the escalation is Mr Sharaa’s push to subdue Syria’s minorities, including the Druze, rather than reconcile with them and integrate them into a pluralist state. After an attack on a Druze merchant on July 11th sparked clashes between Bedouin groups and Druze militias in Suwayda, he sent government troops to intervene, ostensibly to enforce a ceasefire between local groups. Yet he appeared keen to use the incident to establish control over the south-western province. Druze leaders offered to hand over their weapons, according to a mediator. But rather than quell the violence, Mr Sharaa’s troops, many of them jihadists, worsened it.
No I did not miss the Israeli bombing. I literally talked about it in an earlier post. Israel has warned the Syrian government for months that they would not accept their army in Southern Syria. After the fighting between the Druze and Bedouin started they thought the US and Israel greenlighted their intervention. Israel did not so they started bombing. Then after that they came to an agreement that they'd be allowed to intervene for 48 hours if they did not attack the Druze. The terms of the ceasefire have the Syrian army deploy outside of the borders. So I don't really see the 180 here.
This includes the deployment of Syrian General Security Service checkpoints outside the province’s administrative borders to contain clashes and prevent infiltration, a 48-hour ban on entry by any party into border villages, and safe, guaranteed passage for remaining members of the Bedouin tribes still inside the province.
www.timesofisrael.com
I agree that it's important to the Bedouin. There's a large difference between tribes from all over Syria participating and those from all over the middle east though.
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On July 20 2025 16:11 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2025 08:35 Sermokala wrote:On July 20 2025 06:30 Magic Powers wrote:On July 20 2025 04:45 Sermokala wrote:
MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly. I invented nothing. His comment is racist, and I don't care how much you defend him. I didn't call them animals, you made that up. If you don't know the phrase, that's your problem. Your defense of KwarK's racist comment speaks pretty loudly, too. You called them rabbits MP, you can't "its just a phrase" away the choice of words you made. Trying to gaslight people and refusing to acknowledge your mistake would work a lot better if it wasn't through text. Constantly trying to make Kwarks comment racist doesn't make it racist. People in an open air mixed sex prison with nothing to do reproduce a lot. Thats got nothing to do with their race it would happen with any group of mixed sex people with nothing to do with their time and can't go anywhere. On July 20 2025 06:40 Uldridge wrote:
What happens when the Ouroboros gets to its own head? It doesn't, It would be a form of mercy for the torture the ouroboros is in for it to end. Part of the horror of the ouroboros is the inherent, inescapable torment that it finds itself in. The consumption of itself fuels its growth, causing more consumption to occur. Its a greater philosophical statement on the cycles that humanity could break to better itself and the deceptivly simple answers to them. "Just stop eating your own tail" to a beast that Is cursed to eat itself constantly. Sermokola, you're embarrassing yourself. My words are the interpretation of KwarK's words. He said they reproduce like rabbits, not me. This is also not the first time KwarK has been openly racist. He's also openly in favor of mass deportation of illegal non-citizens in the US. Show nested quote +On June 10 2025 07:59 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2025 07:56 WombaT wrote:I have a bad history with polls, they usually actively disprove my intuition, but hey nout wrong with data. Also for this hypothetical poll, we’re assuming some relatively benign detection and enforcement mechanisms Poll: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation?Yes (18) 67% No (9) 33% 27 total votes Your vote: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Yes, they should be deported. But they should be deported humanely, lawfully, to their home countries, and subject to appeal. So if the person is a citizen then they get a chance to tell that to a judge, even if ICE have them mixed up with a non citizen. A process whereby someone the state identifies as a non citizen is seized in secret and sent to a foreign prison in secret without the knowledge of their family and without access to any legal recourse is just disappearing people. We have rules that govern the state monopoly on violence, there are legal limits to what they can do. If the police arrest you then you have to go with them and plead your innocence to a court. If secret police try to disappear you then they’re acting outside of the scope of the social contract and you don’t have to do shit. The foreign prison part is bananas because of their insistence on a loophole that the foreign part exempts it from the judicial system because foreign = executive. Indefinite imprisonment without trial is not the same thing as border control. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5010#100188 Yeah no you lost the plot buddy.
Advocating for humane lawful deportations subject to appeal is racist now?
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On July 20 2025 17:57 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2025 16:11 Magic Powers wrote:On July 20 2025 08:35 Sermokala wrote:On July 20 2025 06:30 Magic Powers wrote:On July 20 2025 04:45 Sermokala wrote:
MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly. I invented nothing. His comment is racist, and I don't care how much you defend him. I didn't call them animals, you made that up. If you don't know the phrase, that's your problem. Your defense of KwarK's racist comment speaks pretty loudly, too. You called them rabbits MP, you can't "its just a phrase" away the choice of words you made. Trying to gaslight people and refusing to acknowledge your mistake would work a lot better if it wasn't through text. Constantly trying to make Kwarks comment racist doesn't make it racist. People in an open air mixed sex prison with nothing to do reproduce a lot. Thats got nothing to do with their race it would happen with any group of mixed sex people with nothing to do with their time and can't go anywhere. On July 20 2025 06:40 Uldridge wrote:
What happens when the Ouroboros gets to its own head? It doesn't, It would be a form of mercy for the torture the ouroboros is in for it to end. Part of the horror of the ouroboros is the inherent, inescapable torment that it finds itself in. The consumption of itself fuels its growth, causing more consumption to occur. Its a greater philosophical statement on the cycles that humanity could break to better itself and the deceptivly simple answers to them. "Just stop eating your own tail" to a beast that Is cursed to eat itself constantly. Sermokola, you're embarrassing yourself. My words are the interpretation of KwarK's words. He said they reproduce like rabbits, not me. This is also not the first time KwarK has been openly racist. He's also openly in favor of mass deportation of illegal non-citizens in the US. On June 10 2025 07:59 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2025 07:56 WombaT wrote:I have a bad history with polls, they usually actively disprove my intuition, but hey nout wrong with data. Also for this hypothetical poll, we’re assuming some relatively benign detection and enforcement mechanisms Poll: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation?Yes (18) 67% No (9) 33% 27 total votes Your vote: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Yes, they should be deported. But they should be deported humanely, lawfully, to their home countries, and subject to appeal. So if the person is a citizen then they get a chance to tell that to a judge, even if ICE have them mixed up with a non citizen. A process whereby someone the state identifies as a non citizen is seized in secret and sent to a foreign prison in secret without the knowledge of their family and without access to any legal recourse is just disappearing people. We have rules that govern the state monopoly on violence, there are legal limits to what they can do. If the police arrest you then you have to go with them and plead your innocence to a court. If secret police try to disappear you then they’re acting outside of the scope of the social contract and you don’t have to do shit. The foreign prison part is bananas because of their insistence on a loophole that the foreign part exempts it from the judicial system because foreign = executive. Indefinite imprisonment without trial is not the same thing as border control. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5010#100188 Yeah no you lost the plot buddy. Advocating for humane lawful deportations subject to appeal is racist now?
It is hella racist unless you've literally never properly thought about all the implications. Plus there's the fact that mass deportation is literally impossible unless it is done in a racist fashion. KwarK is basically either talking about a fairy tale, or he's being racist. Whichever one it is, you can choose. Either he lives in an alternate reality, or he's a racist in this reality.
I don't care which one you prefer, either way he's not someone to be taken seriously no matter what he says. His argumentation is generally really really bad, because he puts no effort into researching anything before or after forming his views.
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Yes KwarK should have done some basic research and then he would have realized Gaza has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, and doesn't have a mere 45 out of ~200 countries with higher fertility rates than it. Their main demographic challenge is in fact population decline, not taking care of a growing population. Not being misinformed would help KwarK avoid being racist by saying things that cause Magic Powers to compare Gazans to rabbits.
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On July 20 2025 18:11 oBlade wrote:
Yes KwarK should have done some basic research and then he would have realized Gaza has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, and doesn't have a mere 45 out of ~200 countries with higher fertility rates than it. Their main demographic challenge is in fact population decline, not taking care of a growing population. Not being misinformed would help KwarK avoid being racist by saying things that cause Magic Powers to compare Gazans to rabbits.
Oh no, the most racist person in the forum is saying I'm falsely accusing someone of racism. I must rethink my life.
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wtf since when is oblade more racist than me
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In all seriousness, I've always thought the "you're a racist/misogynist/transphobe/xenophobe" arguments were something liberals threw at conservatives. But now that I've stumbled upon multiple people on the left arguing with each other and the conversation is "you're racist" "nuh-uh, you're the racist" "no, you're the racist!" I'm realizing it's just a fault of their kind.
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On July 20 2025 18:43 BlackJack wrote:
In all seriousness, I've always thought the "you're a racist/misogynist/transphobe/xenophobe" arguments were something liberals threw at conservatives. But now that I've stumbled upon multiple people on the left arguing with each other and the conversation is "you're racist" "nuh-uh, you're the racist" "no, you're the racist!" I'm realizing it's just a fault of their kind.
This is because you have no idea how to make a conclusion from the evidence in front of you.
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I've always thought that conservatives hated foreigners, but last night at the pub i saw two conservatives get in a fight and realised that all conservatives hate all other conservatives too!
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Basically everyone hates everyone, conservatives might be better in holding up the facade (aka, hypocrisy)
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On July 20 2025 18:01 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2025 17:57 Gorsameth wrote:On July 20 2025 16:11 Magic Powers wrote:On July 20 2025 08:35 Sermokala wrote:On July 20 2025 06:30 Magic Powers wrote:On July 20 2025 04:45 Sermokala wrote:
MP you're the one who invented Kwark calling them rabbits out of thin air. You're the one who chose to call them animals instead of human beings. The idea that you can invent what someone else said and then give them responsibility for that is silly. I invented nothing. His comment is racist, and I don't care how much you defend him. I didn't call them animals, you made that up. If you don't know the phrase, that's your problem. Your defense of KwarK's racist comment speaks pretty loudly, too. You called them rabbits MP, you can't "its just a phrase" away the choice of words you made. Trying to gaslight people and refusing to acknowledge your mistake would work a lot better if it wasn't through text. Constantly trying to make Kwarks comment racist doesn't make it racist. People in an open air mixed sex prison with nothing to do reproduce a lot. Thats got nothing to do with their race it would happen with any group of mixed sex people with nothing to do with their time and can't go anywhere. On July 20 2025 06:40 Uldridge wrote:
What happens when the Ouroboros gets to its own head? It doesn't, It would be a form of mercy for the torture the ouroboros is in for it to end. Part of the horror of the ouroboros is the inherent, inescapable torment that it finds itself in. The consumption of itself fuels its growth, causing more consumption to occur. Its a greater philosophical statement on the cycles that humanity could break to better itself and the deceptivly simple answers to them. "Just stop eating your own tail" to a beast that Is cursed to eat itself constantly. Sermokola, you're embarrassing yourself. My words are the interpretation of KwarK's words. He said they reproduce like rabbits, not me. This is also not the first time KwarK has been openly racist. He's also openly in favor of mass deportation of illegal non-citizens in the US. On June 10 2025 07:59 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2025 07:56 WombaT wrote:I have a bad history with polls, they usually actively disprove my intuition, but hey nout wrong with data. Also for this hypothetical poll, we’re assuming some relatively benign detection and enforcement mechanisms Poll: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation?Yes (18) 67% No (9) 33% 27 total votes Your vote: Should non-criminal illegal migrants face deportation? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Yes, they should be deported. But they should be deported humanely, lawfully, to their home countries, and subject to appeal. So if the person is a citizen then they get a chance to tell that to a judge, even if ICE have them mixed up with a non citizen. A process whereby someone the state identifies as a non citizen is seized in secret and sent to a foreign prison in secret without the knowledge of their family and without access to any legal recourse is just disappearing people. We have rules that govern the state monopoly on violence, there are legal limits to what they can do. If the police arrest you then you have to go with them and plead your innocence to a court. If secret police try to disappear you then they’re acting outside of the scope of the social contract and you don’t have to do shit. The foreign prison part is bananas because of their insistence on a loophole that the foreign part exempts it from the judicial system because foreign = executive. Indefinite imprisonment without trial is not the same thing as border control. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5010#100188 Yeah no you lost the plot buddy. Advocating for humane lawful deportations subject to appeal is racist now? It is hella racist unless you've literally never properly thought about all the implications. Plus there's the fact that mass deportation is literally impossible unless it is done in a racist fashion. KwarK is basically either talking about a fairy tale, or he's being racist. Whichever one it is, you can choose. Either he lives in an alternate reality, or he's a racist in this reality. I don't care which one you prefer, either way he's not someone to be taken seriously no matter what he says. His argumentation is generally really really bad, because he puts no effort into researching anything before or after forming his views.
What is your suggestion? Not to enforce immigration laws at all? I as a US citizen cannot just travel to any county I choose and stay there indefinately and work. Hell just going to Canada for a business meeting can be a huge pain in the ass.
Kwark said to use courts, due process, etc and do it humanely. Theres nothing racist about that.
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