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On November 03 2020 20:49 Sr18 wrote:
I'd like to believe that if it were to come to a baseless court case in front of the SCOTUS, it will rule against it. The majority of the judges might be appointed by a republican president and might be republican at heart, they are still above all else judges.
I'd like to believe that, too.
I did four years ago.
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Roberts and the Trump appointed SCOTUS Justices would relish the opportunity to rule against Trump so that they can later rule on the stuff they really care about. It would be the perfect whitewashing opportunity.
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That one I might believe.
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I'll probably stay awake a bit longer that normal but I have no clue why, there is going to be nothing definitive before next morning and well I have no clue when we could realistically expect anything with Trump...
As I just saw pictures of stores boarding up in NY - can anybody tell me if that is unheard of on election-day or is it something I never saw before but that existed? Hoping for everybody's safety (Never thought I needed to say this during an US-Election....).
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Keep in mind that there is a good chance that many states will not be completely decided tonight. This may include some key swing states, such as Pennsylvania. Unless we somehow see an early landslide victory, the official winner of the presidential election may not be decided until tomorrow or Thursday (or later, especially if Biden technically wins but Trump tries to pull some Supreme Court nonsense).
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On November 03 2020 20:56 smr wrote:
I'll probably stay awake a bit longer that normal but I have no clue why, there is going to be nothing definitive before next morning and well I have no clue when we could realistically expect anything with Trump...
As I just saw pictures of stores boarding up in NY - can anybody tell me if that is unheard of on election-day or is it something I never saw before but that existed? Hoping for everybody's safety (Never thought I needed to say this during an US-Election....).
Civil unrest after election day is definitely not a common thing, preparing for it is definitely not a normal thing
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This is interesting... Its a statement from the National Committee of Asian American Republicans:
http://www.asian.gop/pressreleases/follow_your_conscience_save_america?lg=en
What really makes America THE America? What makes America truly EXCEPTIONAL? Are we born smartest, working hardest, or always blessed with the best luck? Will our world-class universities or aircraft carriers assure our superiority in the future?
America is exceptional because we have the society, the system, and the culture bringing the best out of its people. America's prosperity, warmness, and opportunities continuously provide such a wonderful place for its citizens, and attract the best talents all over the world, together making America exceptional.
We are exceptional because we empower each other to outperform, to be super individuals collectively. We are self-reliant and confident to solve problems instead of relying on a political leader promising such as I alone will solve it for you.
America offers great opportunities as long as you make your efforts; it is not a great tribe where an individual is entitled to good things if he/she is part of it, or his/her relatives have done a great job previously.
When things get tough sometimes, we should get together to fix, instead of hating each other or ones who are different, pointing fingers, and demanding being taken care of as victims, which makes us fall prey to politicians telling us it is all because of 'them', evils, neighboring rapists, … This is how a political genius acquires absolute loyalty even if he would kill someone on fifth Ave, because he hits the nail straight to the ugly spot of our hearts, owns our soul, even subdues an evangelical despite of a proven incidence of paying a prostitute over a hundred thousand dollar to shut up. He even started an exhortation that he is the chosen one by GOD. This sounds too familiar to many Asian American immigrants who came from places where authoritarians make themselves Godly above people legitimizing the obedience of their loyal subjects.
When the President openly calls Proud Boys, categorized by the FBI as an extremist group, to stand by, it reminds us of the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution, when the Dictator called on his supporters to oppress all different political voices as unpatriotic.
Patriotism is from people's hearts, like flags rose all over the country spontaneously right after the 9/11. Germany in 1930-40s with mountains of flags is an example of distorted patriotism when leaders try to facilitate the obedience and uniformity, shutting off the thinking, the sense of basic decency, and common senses.
US is sure not Nazi Germany, however, our broken political system cannot automatically prevent the extreme political phenomena like the 2016 election. Political craziness in only a small portion of activists could tip off the balance in a polarized political landscape, and causes a dire consequence.
Many voted for the candidate after only a few televised debates because they are deeply touched by his WORDS sympathizing their pain caused by dirty politicians, greedy corporates, and foreign evils, and promising an easy fix. While people are excited by chanting 'lock her up', 'build that wall', 'Mexicans pay for it', not many actually demand a due diligent process to know the person really well. They will vote for him again despite that none of chanted wishes are done.
The president does deserve a credit for a major tax cut, serving no purpose though of a small government when the spending was not cut and the deficit hikes. However, those deluded believers do not care much about that in the first place. They had great satisfaction chanting those three-words out which could have been pressed down deeply along with some other desires; we all have our dark sides which could be manipulated by clever politicians.
Selecting the US president, the most powerful position in the World, is becoming like a reality show or a small purchase when we make our decisions based on a sales pitch. Our two party system with a primary and final often makes us choose a less evil, the least stinky.
Our election process and political system needs a serious reform, with transparent track records due diligence review of our candidates, better ways making our choices, and voting methods in the 21st century assuring reliability, robustness, easiness, self-verification, and privacy. Our powerful country needs a reboot. Making America great again starts from all sides coming together, to heal a divided nation.
We don't need a smart-pants president who knows everything including the best medicine curing COVID-19, who empowers only his base to run over political opposition. We need a president with empathy, integrity, and broadness capable of bringing all sides to the table to find common ground, and work together overcoming serious challenges ahead.
America first is for all Americans, not just Americans on one side. As former Governor John Kasich pointed out recently, America is at the cross road. We might disagree with each other on policies, but we can all agree a divided America will decline and sink hurting us all.
Who should we give our votes now?
To Trump, or not to Trump, that is the question.
It is OK that you voted for Trump in 2016, most conservatives did; we wanted an outsider to rattle the system. But he is destroying the whole building. It is also fine you disagree with many Biden's policies. It is about whether America is still THE America. The future of our families, our communities, our great nation, and the World is at stake!
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On November 03 2020 21:04 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 20:56 smr wrote:
I'll probably stay awake a bit longer that normal but I have no clue why, there is going to be nothing definitive before next morning and well I have no clue when we could realistically expect anything with Trump...
As I just saw pictures of stores boarding up in NY - can anybody tell me if that is unheard of on election-day or is it something I never saw before but that existed? Hoping for everybody's safety (Never thought I needed to say this during an US-Election....). Civil unrest after election day is definitely not a common thing, preparing for it is definitely not a normal thing
Thanks for the confirmation. Just wanted to be sure as following politics doesn't mean that I have an understanding of your country. And I guess it's only the third American election that I followed for months. Sure there was a time of: Damn don't you vote Bush, go Gore but that was long before social media allowed an easier and broader insight into different topics then a random newspaper over here would ever be interested in delivering.
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On November 03 2020 20:49 Sr18 wrote:
I'd like to believe that if it were to come to a baseless court case in front of the SCOTUS, it will rule against it. The majority of the judges might be appointed by a republican president and might be republican at heart, they are still above all else judges.
Lol.
You're optimistic.
I'd wager Thomas and Barrett consider `being good judges' to be about 4th or 5th on their list of position-relevant priorities. Certainly well below doing what they can to implement a theocracy.
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United Kingdom10011 Posts
On November 03 2020 21:16 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 20:49 Sr18 wrote:
I'd like to believe that if it were to come to a baseless court case in front of the SCOTUS, it will rule against it. The majority of the judges might be appointed by a republican president and might be republican at heart, they are still above all else judges. Lol. You're optimistic. I'd wager Thomas and Barrett consider `being good judges' to be about 4th or 5th on their list of position-relevant priorities. Certainly well below doing what they can to implement a theocracy.
Its not about being good judges. Surely maintaining the authority of the SC would be pretty high on the priority list, and that is something they need to work to maintain by making justifiable decisions.
This is just me speculating though, I don't know much about how that stuff works in practice.
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I dunno, I think Kavanaugh and ACB are basically hacks who will put political or religious concerns over the constitution tbh
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On November 03 2020 20:35 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 17:22 r00ty wrote:
Radical extremist left/communist: People throwing those words around lightly are just making an ass out of themselves, sorry. I experienced the last waves of the RAF in Germany and the ETA in Spain/France as a kid and i can't see that in the US. I checked the list of terrorist attacks in the US over the last 50 years and there's more attacks on abortion clinics than anything resembling "leftwing terror". I'd rather be afraid of the next Timothy McVeigh and the guys whose wet dream it is, to make "The Turner Diaries" a reality and radical islam.
Please take care and stay safe everybody.
Really had to take a double-take on that, I'd initially been rather surprised that we had an active TL poster who was old enough to remember the raids of the Royal Air Force and was going to pester you with questions about the good old days :p
Stuff on international forums is often similarly confusing for Germans, because to us RAF pretty much always means this:
![[image loading]](https://www.verfassungsschutz-bw.de/site/lfv/get/1675332/raf_logo.gif)
Rote Armee Fraktion, and not Royal Air Force.
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Having Donald Trump as the supreme leader of Christian conservatives is peak 2020
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On November 03 2020 20:49 Sr18 wrote:
I'd like to believe that if it were to come to a baseless court case in front of the SCOTUS, it will rule against it. The majority of the judges might be appointed by a republican president and might be republican at heart, they are still above all else judges.
I watched ' Trial of the Chicago Seven' recently, and the judge in there was absolutely insane, losing his temper and doing things out of spite. I was like 'this can't be real' and then googled Judge Hoffman and it was pretty much all real.
Then I remembered Kavanaugh's wild raging angry opening statement during his testimony and realized judges like that might still be real.
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Lol. is Biden planning a coup? how is this even okay to say at this point if you are running a campaign on decency? I remember how people jumped on Trump when he had said something along the lines few weeks ago.
edit:- if anyone wants to track election day votes for florida, this site is quite useful.
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On November 03 2020 21:48 Batmankills wrote:Lol. is Biden planning a coup? how is this even okay to say at this point if you are running a campaign on decency? I remember how people jumped on Trump when he had said something along the lines few weeks ago.
No, Biden is not planning a coup.
Boy, that was easy!
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On November 03 2020 21:48 Batmankills wrote:Lol. is Biden planning a coup? how is this even okay to say at this point if you are running a campaign on decency? I remember how people jumped on Trump when he had said something along the lines few weeks ago. edit:- if anyone wants to track election day votes for florida, this site is quite useful.
Is it a coup if he's declared the winner? rofl
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On November 03 2020 21:48 Batmankills wrote:Lol. is Biden planning a coup? how is this even okay to say at this point if you are running a campaign on decency? I remember how people jumped on Trump when he had said something along the lines few weeks ago.
That’s a really bad take on what was said. What was said was in line with historical norms. Once the consensus is that the remaining vote counting is exceptionally unlikely to change the result (such as uncounted votes in states like California) the presumptive victor will address the nation. While it would obviously be very embarrassing if it subsequently turned out that the last million votes counted in California went 100% to Trump, flipping the state and changing the victor, Biden would retract his address. The point is that if Biden is at 300 EC votes including California, up 999,999 votes in California, and only 1,000,000 uncounted ballots in California remain, normal practice would be for him to address the nation based on that, even though it would technically be possible for him to lose.
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How long until we have the first results/ predictions?
And a site where it is bundled for all states?
Sitting here and don t have anything to do, so I d like to keep informed about it, but can t even name half the states ad have no idear how important they are, so I m looking for some sort of overview.
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On November 03 2020 21:48 Batmankills wrote:Lol. is Biden planning a coup? how is this even okay to say at this point if you are running a campaign on decency? I remember how people jumped on Trump when he had said something along the lines few weeks ago. edit:- if anyone wants to track election day votes for florida, this site is quite useful. How can the legitimate winner of the election have a coup?
What that story says is that if Biden wins the election he will not be cowed by Trump loudly proclaiming he won, despite the results saying otherwise.
I fail to see the issue with that.
He isn't saying he will pretend he has won if he lost. But will act as if he's won, If he won.
That's not a coup.
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