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On November 03 2020 14:21 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 14:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Tomorrow I have no meetings until 1 PST, at which point I have 4 hours of meetings where I am presenting it at least actively speaking. It’s gonna be a mess. I've always wondered how this works. It's not an issue in countries where election day is a holiday or a weekend, but when it's ostensibly a normal weekday I bet things get... weird. Do people just pretend it isn't happening or is literally everyone in the room just f5ing their phones during your presentation? Is it appropriate to take 5 and slap up a poll tracker then keep going or what?
I expect every meeting will start with “oh gosh election today! Pretty stressful! Annnnyway let’s talk about shit no one cares about knowing no one is listening”
Since I’m working fully remotely everyone is just doing voice chat. One of my meetings will be video with my boss, so I’ll actually be engaged during that. In reality, it’s for the better right? If there is uncertainty during that time, scrolling and f5’ing won’t help anything. But it’s gonna be really fucking hard
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On November 03 2020 14:33 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 14:21 Belisarius wrote:On November 03 2020 14:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Tomorrow I have no meetings until 1 PST, at which point I have 4 hours of meetings where I am presenting it at least actively speaking. It’s gonna be a mess. I've always wondered how this works. It's not an issue in countries where election day is a holiday or a weekend, but when it's ostensibly a normal weekday I bet things get... weird. Do people just pretend it isn't happening or is literally everyone in the room just f5ing their phones during your presentation? Is it appropriate to take 5 and slap up a poll tracker then keep going or what? I expect every meeting will start with “oh gosh election today! Pretty stressful! Annnnyway let’s talk about shit no one cares about knowing no one is listening” Since I’m working fully remotely everyone is just doing voice chat. One of my meetings will be video with my boss, so I’ll actually be engaged during that. In reality, it’s for the better right? If there is uncertainty during that time, scrolling and f5’ing won’t help anything. But it’s gonna be really fucking hard
My manager sent out an email saying limit all meetings on the third. Hes way more politically tuned in than a lot of people but I still thought it was really cool. Of course right after that I got 2 meetings added on my calendar
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I remember when trump won I was playing WoW and we had a raid that night. The guild leaders set VERY strict rules to have zero politics talking that night. I found it pretty funny since it was a very casual, fun guild but I understood that there were a lot of sides that felt very strongly about the results.
Anyhoo. Whoever wins will be interesting. I’m looking forward to seeing how many states flips.
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So, lots of ads all over the place recently. This one in particular though, from Biden's campaign on Facebook caught my eye. Claims you should donate to Biden because the internal polls show a very tight race:
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Well I'm sure I don't believe it (since if you actually go to his website you see no reference to any of these polls), but as far as clickbait goes it certainly got the job done.
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On November 03 2020 15:32 LegalLord wrote:So, lots of ads all over the place recently. This one in particular though, from Biden's campaign on Facebook caught my eye. Claims you should donate to Biden because the internal polls show a very tight race: + Show Spoiler +Well I'm sure I don't believe it (since if you actually go to his website you see no reference to any of these polls, but as far as clickbait goes it certainly got the job done.
LOL they probably just used the polls from Trafalgar or Rasmussen and slapped it on there and called it their "internal polling". Great clickbait though.
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That's... interesting. The wording of that ad makes it sound like those are the results of public polls, but I haven't seen a Trump 47-46 poll in Michigan in the recent weeks (or the other two polls, for that matter). Also posting a poll where they're down in Michigan without mentioning Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc. looks weird to me.
Also, I'd think that he would rather put polls that have him just slightly ahead in at least one of those states.
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We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see.
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On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see.
what. citation needed. Polls were far more accurate during 2018 midterms. Trump winning the popular vote? lol what? Not one poll since the very beginning of the election has shown that if not for rasmussen/trafalgar
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On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see.
You've been drinking too much of the koolaid. Biden hasn't embraced any socialist ideals. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production.
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On November 03 2020 15:59 FlaShFTW wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. what. citation needed. Polls were far more accurate during 2018 midterms. Trump winning the popular vote? lol what? Not one poll since the very beginning of the election has shown that if not for rasmussen/trafalgar
The Florida Governor race polls are one example.
On November 03 2020 16:01 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. You've been drinking too much of the koolaid. Biden hasn't embraced any socialist ideals. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production.
My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday.
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On November 03 2020 16:02 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 15:59 FlaShFTW wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. what. citation needed. Polls were far more accurate during 2018 midterms. Trump winning the popular vote? lol what? Not one poll since the very beginning of the election has shown that if not for rasmussen/trafalgar The Florida Governor race polls are one example. Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 16:01 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. You've been drinking too much of the koolaid. Biden hasn't embraced any socialist ideals. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday.
Then you're even more confused. Communism is a classless society in which we all contribute in accordance with our means and the common production is shared between the workers in accordance with their needs. It includes the abolition of money and ultimately of the state itself. They haven't embraced communism either.
Do you need a dictionary?
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On November 03 2020 16:02 esReveR wrote:
My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday.
You would also hate equal opportunity, though, right? So it doesn't matter that much.
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On November 03 2020 16:09 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 16:02 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 15:59 FlaShFTW wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. what. citation needed. Polls were far more accurate during 2018 midterms. Trump winning the popular vote? lol what? Not one poll since the very beginning of the election has shown that if not for rasmussen/trafalgar The Florida Governor race polls are one example. Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 16:01 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. You've been drinking too much of the koolaid. Biden hasn't embraced any socialist ideals. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday. Then you're even more confused. Communism is a classless society in which we all contribute in accordance with our means and the common production is shared between the workers in accordance with their needs. It includes the abolition of money and ultimately of the state itself. They haven't embraced communism either. Do you need a dictionary?
Drop the insults. You just proved what I said to be accurate. That definition of Communism is exactly how you would get to an end goal of equal outcomes, which is what the Biden/Harris campaign has been preaching for months.
On November 03 2020 16:16 Nebuchad wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 16:02 esReveR wrote:
My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday. You would also hate equal opportunity, though, right? So it doesn't matter that much.
I never said I hated either. I took a relatively impartial stance.
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On November 03 2020 16:18 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 16:09 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 16:02 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 15:59 FlaShFTW wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. what. citation needed. Polls were far more accurate during 2018 midterms. Trump winning the popular vote? lol what? Not one poll since the very beginning of the election has shown that if not for rasmussen/trafalgar The Florida Governor race polls are one example. Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 16:01 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. You've been drinking too much of the koolaid. Biden hasn't embraced any socialist ideals. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday. Then you're even more confused. Communism is a classless society in which we all contribute in accordance with our means and the common production is shared between the workers in accordance with their needs. It includes the abolition of money and ultimately of the state itself. They haven't embraced communism either. Do you need a dictionary? Drop the insults. You just proved what I said to be accurate. That definition of Communism is exactly how you would get to an end goal of equal outcomes, which is what the Biden/Harris campaign has been preaching for months.
It's not about insults, it's about you not having a working understanding of what the words you're using mean. Biden and Harris are not communists, they're neoliberals which is a subset of capitalists. Communists don't run in elections, communists are intrinsically revolutionary, they don't believe that the institutions of liberal democracy can be used to destroy it. Hell, they don't believe in nations or governments either. A communist does not run for President of the USA for the same reason that an anarchist flat earth vegan doesn't run for the presidency of the global alliance of meat eaters. The former VP of the Obama administration is not a communist lol.
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On November 03 2020 16:18 esReveR wrote:
I never said I hated either. I took a relatively impartial stance.
Well, do you hate either?
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On November 03 2020 16:02 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 15:59 FlaShFTW wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. what. citation needed. Polls were far more accurate during 2018 midterms. Trump winning the popular vote? lol what? Not one poll since the very beginning of the election has shown that if not for rasmussen/trafalgar The Florida Governor race polls are one example. Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 16:01 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. You've been drinking too much of the koolaid. Biden hasn't embraced any socialist ideals. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday.
not sure if this is an elaborate troll post or someone who just is totally out of touch with what political ideologies encapsulate. Biden is nothing close to socialism and communism. He is your typical establishment democrat who, if anything, is lean auth right. He doesnt advocate for universal healthcare, hes still very much a poiice apologist, and hes very much not even close to Sanders/AOC.
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On November 03 2020 16:21 KwarK wrote:
It's not about insults, it's about you not having a working understanding of what the words you're using mean. Biden and Harris are not communists, they're neoliberals which is a subset of capitalists. Communists don't run in elections, communists are intrinsically revolutionary, they don't believe that the institutions of liberal democracy can be used to destroy it. Hell, they don't believe in nations or governments either. A communist does not run for President of the USA for the same reason that an anarchist flat earth vegan doesn't run for the presidency of the global alliance of meat eaters. The former VP of the Obama administration is not a communist lol.
Neoliberalism: a political approach that favors free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.
Biden, Harris, nor any mainstream Democrats agree with any of those items listed in that definition. How are they neoliberals exactly?
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On November 03 2020 16:28 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 16:21 KwarK wrote:
It's not about insults, it's about you not having a working understanding of what the words you're using mean. Biden and Harris are not communists, they're neoliberals which is a subset of capitalists. Communists don't run in elections, communists are intrinsically revolutionary, they don't believe that the institutions of liberal democracy can be used to destroy it. Hell, they don't believe in nations or governments either. A communist does not run for President of the USA for the same reason that an anarchist flat earth vegan doesn't run for the presidency of the global alliance of meat eaters. The former VP of the Obama administration is not a communist lol. Neoliberalism: a political approach that favors free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending. Biden, Harris, nor any mainstream Democrats agree with any of those items listed in that definition. How are they neoliberals exactly?
They agree with all of them. Consider the last two Democratic presidencies. Could you buy and sell goods on a market? Could you invest in securities? Could you start a business? Clinton ran a budget surplus and Obama reduced gov spending from 39.8% of GDP under Bush to 38.3%. Both Clinton and Obama worked hard to reduce the trade barriers regulating the entry of American goods into foreign markets, barriers which, incidentally, Trump has tried to restore.
Most of the countries in the world have nationalized healthcare. The government has taken over a private industry and run it publicly for the public good. Obama came into power and took the conservative Heritage Foundation plan to enshrine the health insurance industry as the core part of American healthcare, which was first implemented by Gov. Mitt Romney in his state, and made it law.
This is what neoliberalism is. It's liberal capitalism with a friendly sticker on it but all the inequality and poverty that you've come to expect from capitalism. These people aren't leftists. They never have been. That's why they're called neoliberals. They're not going to nationalize Exxon, they're not going to dismantle the health insurance industry, they're certainly not going to stop bombing brown people on behalf of Saudi Arabia, they're not going to guillotine Bezos in Central Park. Literally all they're going to do is say that people who make millions of dollars a year should contribute a little more in taxes as if that makes any difference at all.
I mean come on, one of the prominent Democrats is Bloomberg, a literal financial services billionaire. If they were communists they would have butchered him, roasted his body, and used it to make street tacos by now. When a central figure in the party is a billionaire you can be pretty sure they're not planning to make life very hard for billionaires.
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On November 03 2020 16:02 esReveR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 15:59 FlaShFTW wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. what. citation needed. Polls were far more accurate during 2018 midterms. Trump winning the popular vote? lol what? Not one poll since the very beginning of the election has shown that if not for rasmussen/trafalgar The Florida Governor race polls are one example. Show nested quote +On November 03 2020 16:01 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2020 15:52 esReveR wrote:
We can't trust what the polls say. They have only gotten less accurate since 2016.
I watched all the debates and the interviews of the candidates, as well as more than a few of each of their town hall/rallies. Based on what I have seen, I think Biden's embracing socialist ideals and open support of the rioters (both candidates support peaceful protest) will turn the vast majority of moderate voters away from him. That shift to the right will cause Trump to win the electoral college easily. If the shift is big enough we could potentially see him win the popular vote too.
At the end of the day, we're all guessing at this point. Record voter turnout is expected, so we'll have to wait and see. You've been drinking too much of the koolaid. Biden hasn't embraced any socialist ideals. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. My apologies, I meant to say Communism (I often conflate the two by accident). Kamala Harris put out a video preaching equal outcomes vs equal opportunity just yesterday.
Why don't you post that kind of trash somewhere else? If Biden is communist I am Mary Poppins.
It's kind of tragic so many people don't know better and don't just roll their eyes when propagandists throw such non sensical words.
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