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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
Or it'll be close enough that its impossible to remove him from office. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12571 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:11 Gorgonoth wrote: I don't know why but I feel a Trump win in my bones. Evidence points to Biden winning but for some reason it's hard for me to picture it actually happening | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:11 Gorgonoth wrote: I don't know why but I feel a Trump win in my bones. Doubt it. The guy is threatening to "Send in the lawyers". A loser move and he knows it. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:23 Gorgonoth wrote: I stand to make a few bucks. Anyone who thinks a Trump win isn't possible with his (admittedly) garbage polling performances did not closely watch the Democratic midterm polls. People forget there was a time when the thread had not only coronated Sanders but started going into debate prep. Of course it's possible but I don't think it's likely. Not because of polls but because of FOUR YEARS OF UTTER SHIT. There's no excuse this time, Trump is no longer politically unknown and untested. His handling of covid could not possibly be worse. As we speak numerous states are seeing record high numbers and hospitals at the breaking point. Meanwhile this clown is holding as many massive rallies as he can and telling people it's not that bad. Seriously fuck him. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Biden is significantly more likely to win, and for the good of the country and the world, he better win! I wholeheartedly agree about "the good of the country", but it feels rather hard to claim the same about the world, since this probably depends on where one lives. Foreign policies that are beneficial for some countries may be detrimental for others and vice versa. For example, it is looking like Trump - despite all his other flaws - will go down in history as one of the few US presidents to not fuel any large scale military conflicts around the globe. I am not even sure who would be the last comparably non-militaristic president. Ford maybe? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12571 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9069 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:53 ggrrg wrote: I wholeheartedly agree about "the good of the country", but it feels rather hard to claim the same about the world, since this probably depends on where one lives. Foreign policies that are beneficial for some countries may be detrimental for others and vice versa. For example, it is looking like Trump - despite all his other flaws - will go down in history as one of the few US presidents to not fuel any large scale military conflicts around the globe. I am not even sure who would be the last comparably non-militaristic president. Ford maybe? Obama. Clinton. Ford. Those three either inherited a war or ended one. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:49 CorsairHero wrote: Doubt it. The guy is threatening to "Send in the lawyers". A loser move and he knows it. He looked like a loser vs Hilary too, don't forget. Talking about how it was rigged etc. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:46 Nebuchad wrote: Evidence points to Biden winning but for some reason it's hard for me to picture it actually happening Same, I can't tell if its just that I'm so conditioned to "the bad thing always happens" or what. The polls are objectively much better this year and evidence from 2018 points to polls improving their methods after 2016. But for some reason I can't seem to relax. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46516 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
Since I had my mail in ballot I voted for the first time in 12 years(?). I’m not even sure who I voted for the first time around. All I remember was being confused who these names were but I needed the extra credit from my college course. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
That's very debatable at best, lol. If you would've said "didn't send soldiers" - sure. Arguing that Obama didn't massively increase aggression against multiple countries is dishonest at best. And, lets be very real: the reason he didn't start a war (technically) is because Lybia didn't retaliate. He then pulled out and left yet another power vacuum, filled by terrorists and other dumbfuckery. I still think Obama was one of the best presidents for a while in the US, but rewriting history is just stupid. edit: forgot my prediction. I think Trump is gonna take it one way or another. I see a direct win unlikely (but far from impossible) - much more likely though is that his lawyers are gonna find ways to rig the election (by contesting certain outcomes in states). | ||
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Batmankills
145 Posts
On November 03 2020 11:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: While I think Biden is most likely going to end up with over 315 electoral votes, I've still created this map as a significant underestimate for Biden vs. Trump. This map purposely pushes all the swing states - Florida, Ohio, Georgia, Iowa, and North Carolina - to Trump, in one of the worst-case scenarios for Biden that's still likely to occur. And yet it's still a win for Biden, given his current leads in every state that I've labeled as blue. I gave Trump all of the red *and all of the swing* states. Trump would have to win all the red states, all the swing states, and flip 2-3 blue states to win, which could still happen, but is very unlikely. I'd prefer to be risk-averse, especially given the nonsense that Trump and his supporters have been pulling and are likely to continue pulling. And, of course, all of this depends on the remaining Americans who still need to vote tomorrow! PA , MI and WI are swing states and can pretty much go to trump. In fact, both the candidates campaigning in PA in final day really tells you how many eggs they are putting in that basket. and there is a chance that trump will take both MI and PA as indicated by few close polls in last few days | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:36 plasmidghost wrote: Fuck it, anyone want to do a sig bet for blue Texas? I think it's going to happen this year. Biden takes it Odds? I'm willing to do a small bet for it. On November 03 2020 11:10 Batmankills wrote: PA , MI and WI are swing states and can pretty much go to trump. In fact, both the candidates campaigning in PA in final day really tells you how many eggs they are putting in that basket. and there is a chance that trump will take both MI and PA as indicated by few close polls in last few days Yeah not so sure about this one. There hasn't been a single poll that puts Trump over Biden in Wisconsin or Michigan, the average difference is about 6-8 points. PA is the must win for Trump to reach 270, it's why Biden is heavily campaigning to defend, not to attack. Trump is there for obvious reasons, he's behind and he needs the state as a must win. WI and MI are not swing states, I'm willing to put money on that easily. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46516 Posts
On November 03 2020 11:10 Batmankills wrote: PA , MI and WI are swing states and can pretty much go to trump. In fact, both the candidates campaigning in PA in final day really tells you how many eggs they are putting in that basket. and there is a chance that trump will take both MI and PA as indicated by few close polls in last few days There's always a chance, but they're all leaning blue. That's why I kept them as blue. Same with Arizona. They'd be the most likely "2-3 blue states" that flip, that I mentioned earlier. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10569 Posts
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_biden-6849.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9069 Posts
On November 03 2020 11:08 m4ini wrote: That's very debatable at best, lol. If you would've said "didn't send soldiers" - sure. Arguing that Obama didn't massively increase aggression against multiple countries is dishonest at best. And, lets be very real: the reason he didn't start a war (technically) is because Lybia didn't retaliate. He then pulled out and left yet another power vacuum, filled by terrorists and other dumbfuckery. I still think Obama was one of the best presidents for a while in the US, but rewriting history is just stupid. edit: forgot my prediction. I think Trump is gonna take it one way or another. I see a direct win unlikely (but far from impossible) - much more likely though is that his lawyers are gonna find ways to rig the election (by contesting certain outcomes in states). Of course it is debatable. Anything involving Obama is debatable. And let's not forget I've gone on record saying he could have been better in certain areas. And you'll have to refresh my memory on where he pulled out and left a power vacuum. Also, Libya wasn't Obama. That was Arab Spring. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24389 Posts
On November 03 2020 10:46 Nebuchad wrote: Evidence points to Biden winning but for some reason it's hard for me to picture it actually happening I think it's that we know Trump will challenge anything remotely close and have to believe in Trump/his supporters backing down before Democrats/their supporters. EDIT: Libya wasn't Obama. Not Obama alone, but Obama openly intervened in Libya and admittedly failed to adequately plan for what came after. Obama was asked about his “worst mistake.”... “Probably failing to plan for the day after, what I think was the right thing to do, in intervening in Libya.” This was yet another act of presidential contrition for the NATO operation in 2011 that helped to overthrow Muammar Qaddafi but left the country deeply unstable. In 2014, Obama said: “[W]e [and] our European partners underestimated the need to come in full force if you’re going to do this. Then it’s the day after Qaddafi is gone, when everybody is feeling good and everybody is holding up posters saying, ‘Thank you, America.’ At that moment, there has to be a much more aggressive effort to rebuild societies that didn’t have any civic traditions.” In recent interviews with The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg on the “Obama Doctrine,” the president bluntly said the mission in Libya “didn’t work.” Behind closed doors, according to Goldberg, he calls the situation there a “shit show.” www.theatlantic.com | ||
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