2020 has 60% overall, in spite of it only being 27% of the GOP. These overall numbers are similar to 92 and 96.
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
2020 has 60% overall, in spite of it only being 27% of the GOP. These overall numbers are similar to 92 and 96. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 11 2020 00:03 JimmiC wrote: They will care as soon as the shoe is on the other foot. Smart leaderships realizes that these issues effect both and all. Sadly we don't see a lot of smart leadership these days. Just short term BS. And the worst part is the short term BS wins elections. The Democrats would never sink to these depths though. That's the point. Only Republicans would embrace this sort of messaging.wholeheartedly. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 11 2020 00:27 JimmiC wrote: I'm not so sure the Dems are immune to the same type of "firebrand populist" stirring up emotions of the masses. It would be different messaging but similar results. There is a reason that Authoritarians vote as a block and not with their political leaning. Because dictators are not left or right, that is the the messaging of their scapegoating, they are all about them and their power. See Venezuela, Iran, China, Russia, NK, SA, Turkey, Syria so on. PreTrump I'm sure republicans would have told you they were immune also. No one is immune but it’s far less likely to happen in the Democratic Party as that party is far more divided than the Republican Party. There isn’t a wing like the Progressives inside of the GOP. You are correct though that all Americans, not just conservatives, should be looking at this and realizing that without vigilance partisan politics can make a swipe at subverting our nation. Conservatives in the US need to take a hard look in the mirror and ask themselves at what point they condemn Trump. After every court case is dismissed or lost? After Biden is inaugurated? After a year of Trump continuing to claim there was massive fraud? And if you don’t have an answer to that question then I’d contend you aren’t a supporter of the constitution, of our democratic processes, or of America as a whole. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
The only thing left is to finally put their money where their mouth is on decades of insinuating shadowy cabals are directly deducting votes from their candidates and adding votes to their opponents. Of course, if that's where the fraud is occurring, it's awfully strange to still be pushing voter ID and limited early voting hours, but that cognitive dissonance won't hit them ever. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 11 2020 01:15 TheTenthDoc wrote: I think at least part of what has the GOP cornered is that the (comparatively) easier way to argue about the fairness of the election-the problem of voter suppression-is 1) a well-worn Democratic talking point they have spent years completely ignoring and 2) actually almost certainly helps them. Plus, they don't want to imply it should be easier to vote, since a pillar of what's left of their platform is...well...keeping it hard to vote. The only thing left is to finally put their money where their mouth is on decades of insinuating shadowy cabals are directly deducting votes from their candidates and adding votes to their opponents. Of course, if that's where the fraud is occurring, it's awfully strange to still be pushing voter ID and limited early voting hours, but that cognitive dissonance won't hit them ever. I think this is what Barr is doing. The DOJ has full authority to investigate aspects of election fraud that may have changed the outcome, but nothing less than that. The only thing that is unclear to me is how long this supposed investigation will go. Do they just investigate forever? When does Barr say "Ok, now assemble your evidence and lets look over it"? Does this just go on until the actual delegate vote? | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
A lot of the people fired are expected, but many of them weren't expecting to be downsized. The former Trump campaign adviser attributed the need to shed staff to the fact the operation is “dry on cash.” In the final months of the election, heavy spending by Trump’s team eroded a financial advantage he was expected to have over Biden. During the past few days, the campaign has aggressively raised funds in support of its election challenges. According to Murtaugh, Trump’s team would have what it needed to keep challenging the election.“We are raising significant amounts of money to fuel the president’s challenges and will retain appropriate staff to see the post-election process through to the president’s victory,” he said. [...] The Republican source, who described post-election layoffs as a normal part of political campaigns, had questions about the scope of the campaign’s challenge efforts even before layoffs. The source noted that Utah Sen. Mitt Romney, who was the Republican nominee in 2012, had a robust operation for a potential challenge that year with a team of election lawyers and planes on standby to take them to key states. In contrast, the source accused the Trump’s campaign of having “zero planning” with “no legit poll watching or recount plans” and staffers appearing on TV to make wild and baseless allegations rather than a serious team of lawyers and experts. “Waving around the political equivalent of a bloody rag is no substitute for legitimate planning,” the Republican source said. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-staff-234417901.html Regarding GA recouts, Gabriel Sterling, Georgia Voting System Implementation Manager, acknowledges that they'll find some illegal votes, but not 10k+ worth. (in recent elections, the vast amount of found to be illegitimate votes have been from republicans as well). “We are going to find that people did illegally vote,” Sterling said at a press conference with reporters on Monday. “That is going to happen. There are going to be double voters. There are going to be people who did not have the qualifications, for a registered voter, to vote in this state. That will be found.” “Is it 10,353? Unlikely.” https://www.c-span.org/video/?477943-1/news-conference-georgia-vote-count (transcript is on the page) A hypocrisy compilation from GOP talking heads regarding the 2018 election results, if you want, from the daily show. (I wouldn't post this in the normal pol thread, but relaxed standards and all) + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22348 Posts
On November 11 2020 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: I fully expect it go on until the delegates vote and then quietly get closed down. Unless they find something of course (highly unlikely).I think this is what Barr is doing. The DOJ has full authority to investigate aspects of election fraud that may have changed the outcome, but nothing less than that. The only thing that is unclear to me is how long this supposed investigation will go. Do they just investigate forever? When does Barr say "Ok, now assemble your evidence and lets look over it"? Does this just go on until the actual delegate vote? That is basically what happened to every other bogus investigation Barr's DoJ has done. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
God, can you even fucking imagine this shit show if a real actual human being with brain meat in their head had a cabal of actually competent and capable sycophants to pull this shit with? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2020 03:56 Zambrah wrote: Queue "we're not a democracy we're a republic" talk. God, can you even fucking imagine this shit show if a real actual human being with brain meat in their head had a cabal of actually competent and capable sycophants to pull this shit with? Or was charismatic enough to be likeable to >50% of the country. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 11 2020 03:52 ChristianS wrote: Pompeo promising a “smooth transition to a second Trump administration” certainly raises the stock of the “democracy uninstalls” scenario a bit. I thought the idea that a “civil war” could occur was beyond stupid. If they actually push forward and try to install Trump into a second term then I don’t see how the country doesn’t enter a civil war. Why would states remain in the Republic if their votes don’t elect the Chief Executive? | ||
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Sent.
Poland9297 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 11 2020 04:16 Sent. wrote: Even assuming Trump will actively resist his replacement, do you seriously believe republicans and republican leaning officials would continue to stand by his side after he loses the last court case? No. But I also didn’t think they’d show support initially so not much is going to surprise me. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On November 11 2020 04:16 Sent. wrote: Even assuming Trump will actively resist his replacement, do you seriously believe republicans and republican leaning officials would continue to stand by his side after he loses the last court case? I’m still 98% sure they won’t and Biden will become President without issue. But it increasingly looks like these people have incorporated supporting Republicans and believing Republicans’ assessments of reality into their definition of patriotism. That seems certain to turn ugly regardless of what happens in the next 2.5 months. Likelihood of becoming a failed state still seems low for the moment at least. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2717 Posts
On November 11 2020 03:56 Zambrah wrote: Queue "we're not a democracy we're a republic" talk. God, can you even fucking imagine this shit show if a real actual human being with brain meat in their head had a cabal of actually competent and capable sycophants to pull this shit with? We're all waiting for a vaccine against covid, but hopefully Trump has been a vaccine against fascism. Doesn't much look like it at the moment, but that's kinda what my hope is. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
My only real concern is not within the government itself, it's with the people that Trump has embolden. I definitely see an increase in violence through out the U.S. Many people did not get their way, so they're going to force their way. | ||
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