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FlaShFTW
United States10396 Posts
Pretty cool stuff to see for the voter turnout on a map. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 11 2020 03:52 ChristianS wrote: Pompeo promising a “smooth transition to a second Trump administration” certainly raises the stock of the “democracy uninstalls” scenario a bit. Good to know that one of Trump's most reliable grifters is standing by him in all this! With Congress -> CIA -> Secretary of State credentials, there's certainly a bit of weight behind that idiocy. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 11 2020 04:26 Fleetfeet wrote: We're all waiting for a vaccine against covid, but hopefully Trump has been a vaccine against fascism. Doesn't much look like it at the moment, but that's kinda what my hope is. A vaccine against fascism isnt going to work like that, it's going to have to be solved with the political equivalent of diet and exercise. Actual meaningful systematic changes that require a lot of hard work and require changing old shitty habits, imo. EDIT: As an example of the kind of issue that will continue to enable fascist populists in America, evidently 30% of jobs dont let a single adult make ends meet, and 32% of jobs are basically subsistence, not allowing for saving or vacation or eating out, etc. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/10/30/jobs-62-percent-fall-short-middle-class-standard-us/1809629002/ This is from late 2018, and given we're in a pandemic its probably only even gotten direr, and the fact that 62% of jobs werent allowing people the ability to save means that the people who lost those jobs have been systematically fucked by the coronavirus and the government's insistence that we not get more than 5 dollars a day, which is about what our stimulus has amounted to. GA runoff races should advertise that, "your government thinks you can survive off of 5 dollars a day, I think you deserve better, vote for me and I will help ensure you see the help you need during this pandemic." | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On November 11 2020 04:27 LegalLord wrote: Good to know that one of Trump's most reliable grifters is standing by him in all this! With Congress -> CIA -> Secretary of State credentials, there's certainly a bit of weight behind that idiocy. Yeah, although Pompeo kinda chuckled after saying it and went on to give the usual “let’s just wait for the recounts and lawsuits to play out” position. I think it’s not quite right to say these guys are supporting Trump’s claims, they’re more like fence-sitters. Lindsay Graham, though, he’s all-in | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
And we have another rep from my state (fucking sigh) who continues to echo a worrying sentiment that the way forward is with as little change as possible, that we should just not expect to do well in elections. "Dont criticize leadership for our failures, we should just stop expecting to win." We need more Stacey Abrams energy in the DNC, focus on the electorate, and aim to win. Don't EXPECT to win, AIM to win. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/democrats-anxious-after-election-performance-435600 [Doug] Jones [D-Al], the sole incumbent Democratic senator to lose, said both party campaign arms need to change their mission. He said Stacey Abrams’ work in Georgia should be a model for the party’s work in individual states, while he contends the “DSCC and DCCC spend too much time investing in candidates and not the electorate. They don’t invest in House districts, they don’t invest in states.” “Would we have been better off winning the Senate outright? Of course. Would we have been happier campers today? Yes,” said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.). But “I wouldn’t criticize Schumer — we won two of the three likeliest Democratic pickups … Maybe, in retrospect, we should’ve been managing expectations.” | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23932 Posts
They dump money on races they will certainly lose, and they spend it on advisors, networks/commercials and at their friends out-of-state firms instead of investing in local organizers on the ground. So it doesn't have the impact of significantly improving their position for the next election because it is candidate focused rather than organization focused. So Doug Jones had a flood of cash to beat Roy Moore but little of it went to building out a lasting organization in Alabama that would show up in 2020 and beyond for Democrats. EDIT: Also if you just run against an individual like Dems did Roy Moore (or have Trump), nearly all the money spent is lost when that person is no longer the opponent. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23932 Posts
On November 11 2020 05:24 Zambrah wrote: And the lesson learned is "those damn BLM people ruined our chances!" Speaks volumes none of those interviews/articles seem to even touch on all the money wasted on running a literal pro-Trump Democrat and losing by a mile. I don't even know that a lot of Democrats realized McGrath was partially running on removing McConnell because he was an impediment to Trump. They see a (D) next to a name and turn off their brains sometimes. Here's a quote from an appearance on MSNBC: "If you think about why Kentuckians voted for Trump, they wanted to drain the swamp, and Trump said that he was going to do that," McGrath said during the announcement of her candidacy on MSNBC's Morning Joe. "Trump promised to bring back jobs. He promised to lower drug prices for so many Kentuckians. And that is very important."... "And you know what? Who stops them along the way? Who stops the president from doing these things? Mitch McConnell," she continued on MSNBC. "And I think that that’s very important, and that’s going to be my message – the things that Kentuckians voted for Trump for are not being done. He’s not able to get it done because of Senator McConnell." www.courier-journal.com | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8077 Posts
On November 11 2020 04:47 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, although Pompeo kinda chuckled after saying it and went on to give the usual “let’s just wait for the recounts and lawsuits to play out” position. I think it’s not quite right to say these guys are supporting Trump’s claims, they’re more like fence-sitters. Lindsay Graham, though, he’s all-in What are the chances that it ends up really badly in you guy's opinions? I thought the whole thing was just a joke and Trump's latest tantrum until i wandered on twitter. I'm not so sure anymore. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 11 2020 05:41 GreenHorizons wrote: Speaks volumes none of those interviews/articles seem to even touch on all the money wasted on running a literal pro-Trump Democrat and losing by a mile. I don't even know that a lot of Democrats realized McGrath was partially running on removing McConnell because he was an impediment to Trump. They see a (D) next to a name and turn off their brains sometimes. Here's a quote from an appearance on MSNBC: www.courier-journal.com I didn't follow McGrath's campaign at all, but this is some pretty ridiculous spin to try to use this quote as evidence to say that she is "pro-Trump". That is simply not what the quote is saying at all. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 11 2020 05:50 Biff The Understudy wrote: What are the chances that it ends up really badly in you guy's opinions? I thought the whole thing was just a joke and Trump's latest tantrum until i wandered on twitter. I'm not so sure anymore. Most likely outcome imo is that the states certify votes in the next two weeks. Electors officially elect Joe Biden on December 14th. Joe Biden is inaugurated on January 20th. Trump continues to insist he’s the rightful president from Mar-a-Lago and that massive fraud occurred. The GOP doesn’t take a strong stance because condemning Trump will likely fracture their party. Anything outside of the above is effectively the death of the United States government and seems very unlikely. Comments by senior officials and Trump supporters are chilling though. Absolutely chilling. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23932 Posts
On November 11 2020 06:02 Stratos_speAr wrote: I didn't follow McGrath's campaign at all, but this is some pretty ridiculous spin to try to use this quote as evidence to say that she is "pro-Trump". That is simply not what the quote is saying at all. What is it saying to you? Because I'm reading : "the things that Kentuckians voted for Trump for are not being done. He’s not able to get it done because of Senator McConnell" | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 11 2020 04:28 Zambrah wrote: A vaccine against fascism isnt going to work like that, it's going to have to be solved with the political equivalent of diet and exercise. Actual meaningful systematic changes that require a lot of hard work and require changing old shitty habits, imo. EDIT: As an example of the kind of issue that will continue to enable fascist populists in America, evidently 30% of jobs dont let a single adult make ends meet, and 32% of jobs are basically subsistence, not allowing for saving or vacation or eating out, etc. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/10/30/jobs-62-percent-fall-short-middle-class-standard-us/1809629002/ This is from late 2018, and given we're in a pandemic its probably only even gotten direr, and the fact that 62% of jobs werent allowing people the ability to save means that the people who lost those jobs have been systematically fucked by the coronavirus and the government's insistence that we not get more than 5 dollars a day, which is about what our stimulus has amounted to. GA runoff races should advertise that, "your government thinks you can survive off of 5 dollars a day, I think you deserve better, vote for me and I will help ensure you see the help you need during this pandemic." Americans need to stop talking about the constitution and acting on it instead. If the Constitution is going to be the founding principle of the state, then it needs to be properly enforced and protected. Nobody from either party should get away with blatantly unconstitutional shit. Of course that's impossible. The people have to do that, and the American people are woeful at holding their elected leaders to their word. After a certain point you can't blame the system; Trump got more votes this time round than last time. If the public don't care about the erosion of Democracy, if they don't care about constant flouting of the constitution (save when it suits them to blame the other side), if they don't care about their elected representatives promising and never delivering, then you've got the system you made for yourself. The President for the last four years paid hush money to a porn star, and evangelical Christians voted for him en masse. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Game theorying politics is such a shit influence on american politics. Vote your fucking conscience, maybe they'll learn the lesson if they actually want to win next time. Or they'll remain willfully ignorant because they dont exist for their constituents sake. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On November 11 2020 06:14 GreenHorizons wrote: What is it saying to you? Because I'm reading : "the things that Kentuckians voted for Trump for are not being done. He’s not able to get it done because of Senator McConnell" Trump ran on a number of policies in 2016 that could appeal to democrats and republicans alike, including the ones in the two paragraphs you quoted, despite being a terrible person and candidate. I think it's reasonable to take those policies and run on the position of "I can work with Trump to get something good done" given the climate in the senate, which was basically McConnell refusing to even vote on most of them. Also, the article includes a scathing review of McGrath for comparing Trump being elected to 9/11. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't run on a pro-trump platform. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11828 Posts
On November 11 2020 07:31 Zambrah wrote: Until we see voters start to legit cause their candidates to lose when they fuck up we'll never see any accountability. Game theorying politics is such a shit influence on american politics. Vote your fucking conscience, maybe they'll learn the lesson if they actually want to win next time. Or they'll remain willfully ignorant because they dont exist for their constituents sake. The reason people game theory politics in the US is because the US system is very gamey. Proportional representation makes it very easy to vote your conscience, because your vote always matters and always helps the position you vote for. Strange FPTP with weird districts and different values to votes depending on where you live means that you have to make hard decisions between voting for what you believe in and possibly enabling something you really hate, or voting for the lesser evil. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
It removes a lot of the consequences to fucking up, its a staring game of who breaks first, someone needs to break before we can actually get better. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 11 2020 06:14 GreenHorizons wrote: What is it saying to you? Because I'm reading : "the things that Kentuckians voted for Trump for are not being done. He’s not able to get it done because of Senator McConnell" It's saying, "Kentucky voters chose Trump to do X, Y, and Z. McConnell is the reason that X, Y, and Z haven't been accomplished." That is nowhere close to being "Pro-Trump". It's very clearly trying to pin Trump's failures on McConnell because she knows that being vocally anti-Trump won't work in Kentucky. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amy-mcgrath-pro-trump-ad-kentucky-ohio_n_5f77a05bc5b649e564b2b758 She may not have been full Lindsay Graham, but she was about as Pro-Trump as youd be likely to find from Democrats. EDIT: Should mention, she also ran them in fucking OHIO. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 11 2020 07:58 Zambrah wrote: Amy McGrath also ran pro-Trump ads https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amy-mcgrath-pro-trump-ad-kentucky-ohio_n_5f77a05bc5b649e564b2b758 She may not have been full Lindsay Graham, but she was about as Pro-Trump as youd be likely to find from Democrats. EDIT: Should mention, she also ran them in fucking OHIO. The article that you linked doesn't talk about a "Pro-Trump ad". It uses a Trump voter that is going to vote split-ticket. It also explains that she ran it in Ohio because the TV market stretches into northern Kentucky. Again, I don't know much about McGrath and have no reason to defend her, but stop being so disingenuous about your attacks. The only things I know about this discussion are the things that you and GH have posted and they immediately make me look at you two more skeptically because the evidence that you linked doesn't support your claims. | ||
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