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From 538:
In four Indiana counties that the NYT says are more than 98 percent reported — Wabash, Cass, Martin and Wells — Trump is winning, but by considerably smaller margins than in 2016. So it’s hard to tell if any polling overperformance in Florida would translate to the Midwest.
I think that Trump's gains with Florida Latinos will be extremely unique and that we can't really use them to extrapolate to the rest of the country.
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On November 04 2020 09:48 Nevuk wrote: NYT is saying >95% of Trump win in FL with their needle. Yeah I just don't see the votes to get Biden enough to withstand that surge in the panhandle.
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On November 04 2020 09:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 09:29 WombaT wrote:On November 04 2020 09:24 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote: That's bad for Biden in Miami-Dade. Republicans really should be slam dunk with Latino votes, but they're so bad at messaging. Latinos are overwhelmingly religious, socially conservative, family-oriented, lean GOP economically, etc., but they're just so antagonistic to them it always made no sense to me. It's the biggest bloc of minority voters that the GOP can absolutely improve on with the right messaging. This has long baffled me too. It’s not so confusing why a group of brown Spanish speakers aren’t welcome in a party that agrees with them on every main issue. I wish I could figure out what you’re inferring.
As an aside thanks to all you fine folks both here and in the various politics threads. Been good fun arguing and occasionally learning something with you all over the years.
Nowhere I’d rather be F5ing for updates on this potentially momentous juncture in our shared history than with you lads and lasses.
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I think they tried to translate their FL campaign to OH based on mailers I've been getting. They kept screeching about socialism, but literally no one here cares about that. The relationship is much less antagonistic : the dem and gop workers passing out ballot sheets for voters were joking around and having a good time.
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Biden losing his lead in FL and probably can't gain it back.
Next state to watch that will rapidly report results is NC.
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On November 04 2020 09:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:From 538: Show nested quote +In four Indiana counties that the NYT says are more than 98 percent reported — Wabash, Cass, Martin and Wells — Trump is winning, but by considerably smaller margins than in 2016. So it’s hard to tell if any polling overperformance in Florida would translate to the Midwest. I think that Trump's gains with Florida Latinos will be extremely unique and that we can't really use them to extrapolate to the rest of the country. oh yeah the cuban vote is not indicative of anything in the rest of the country
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On November 04 2020 09:49 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 09:48 Nevuk wrote: NYT is saying >95% of Trump win in FL with their needle. Yeah I just don't see the votes to get Biden enough to withstand that surge in the panhandle. Yep. Biden's lead of ~200k is down to ~60k from 70% to 80% reporting. Would be hard to overcome that vote.
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Like I said Trump wins FL, but I said by 3%. Good news for Biden is it looks more like 1-2%. Don't think Biden has a shot in OH, but I think he has WI and MI and a good shot with PA. I don't think he has a shot in AZ. Going to be a very close election.
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Florida highlighting just why the grouping of Hispanics as one voting bloc is a very misguided one.
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Ohio is looking OK for Biden right now, I'm gonna turn my attention there because I think Florida is gone.
Delaware county 2016: Trump 54.5-38.7. Currently with 73% reporting: Biden leads 54-44. Huge 20 point swing. Franklin (Columbus) in 2016: Clinton 60-34. Currently with 51% reporting: Biden leads 76-22.6. Another big gain for Biden.
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On November 04 2020 09:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:From 538: Show nested quote +In four Indiana counties that the NYT says are more than 98 percent reported — Wabash, Cass, Martin and Wells — Trump is winning, but by considerably smaller margins than in 2016. So it’s hard to tell if any polling overperformance in Florida would translate to the Midwest. I think that Trump's gains with Florida Latinos will be extremely unique and that we can't really use them to extrapolate to the rest of the country.
Lots of Hispanics are Catholic. Non-Mexico countries are racist towards Mexicans. Republicans will gain with Hispanics for as long as they can keep abortion an issue. Think a lot of people don't understand how conservative most Hispanics are and just focus on immigration. Legal Mexican immigrants strongly resent illegal Mexican immigrants. And since the other countries just are racist in general towards Mexico, Democrats screaming about immigrants and abortion is a losing strategy.
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FL is a really fucked state. I left and I will never look back. People vote against their own interest to get back at em all the time. I really really hope that the gap stays the same tho and Biden clinches it.
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Toledo is still not in...but with colombus cincy and cleveland in how are yall feeling about Ohio
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On November 04 2020 09:53 FlaShFTW wrote: Ohio is looking OK for Biden right now, I'm gonna turn my attention there because I think Florida is gone.
Delaware county 2016: Trump 54.5-38.7. Currently with 73% reporting: Biden leads 54-44. Huge 20 point swing. Franklin (Columbus) in 2016: Clinton 60-34. Currently with 51% reporting: Biden leads 76-22.6. Another big gain for Biden.
If Biden wins OH, that's a pretty big blow to Trump. My original prediction was that Biden loses both FL and OH, but still wins the electoral vote by a slight amount.
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On November 04 2020 09:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 09:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:From 538: In four Indiana counties that the NYT says are more than 98 percent reported — Wabash, Cass, Martin and Wells — Trump is winning, but by considerably smaller margins than in 2016. So it’s hard to tell if any polling overperformance in Florida would translate to the Midwest. I think that Trump's gains with Florida Latinos will be extremely unique and that we can't really use them to extrapolate to the rest of the country. Lots of Hispanics are Catholic. Non-Mexico countries are racist towards Mexicans. Republicans will gain with Hispanics for as long as they can keep abortion an issue. Think a lot of people don't understand how conservative most Hispanics are and just focus on immigration. Legal Mexican immigrants strongly resent illegal Mexican immigrants. And since the other countries just are racist in general towards Mexico, Democrats screaming about immigrants and abortion is a losing strategy.
Indeed. Republicans can make huge gains with Latino voters if they weren't so stupid. I think they'll eventually learn. It's also why I don't believe in the deterministic demographic joo joo Democrats are always talking about (just wait til old white people die!).
PS: Also why attacks on ACB Catholicism was so dumb for Democrats to do.
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On November 04 2020 09:54 Cricketer12 wrote: Toledo is still not in...but with colombus cincy and cleveland in how are yall feeling about Ohio Right now it looks good for Joe but so far the polls have been consistent: Biden grabs a nice lead compared to 2016, Trump chips away as the in perosn votes come in. Hard to say. Biden has gotten great leads though.
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On November 04 2020 09:53 PhoenixVoid wrote: Florida highlighting just why the grouping of Hispanics as one voting bloc is a very misguided one. Everyone knows the Cuban vote is the Cuban vote, or at least they should, but the rest of the Latino vote is way more diverse than people give it credit for yes
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If Biden wins any of:
NC, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, Iowa
Then I think that Democrats can feel pretty comfortable.
He can still win and lose all of those states, but it would be much more nerve-wracking for Dems.
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Trumps taking GA by 8 points currently
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