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JimmiC
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LegalLord
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:32 JimmiC wrote: Instantly back in the Paris Accord along with reinstituting all the protections Donald Trump got rid of would be a great start. Biden has stated he plans to do that. | ||
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dbRic1203
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https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/07/932576135/fact-check-trumps-claim-that-biden-s-wins-aren-t-certified-won-t-change-the-outc | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
35% of people 25 and older held a bachelor's degree or higher as pf 2018, and I really doubt 35% of the US is entirely middle class or rich. I speak as a 26 year old person who grew up in poverty who got a bachelor's degree. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/02/number-of-people-with-masters-and-phd-degrees-double-since-2000.html#:~:text=Between 2000 and 2018, the,25.6 percent to 35.0 percent. EDIT: Also, why not help the middle class? Americans EAT THAT SHIT UP. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24394 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:30 Zambrah wrote: I’m hoping for Day 60 EOs if we can organize protests and demand shit. If it doesn’t happen, then yes, basically hopeless. Not expecting much from Biden/Harris, I consider them to be dishonest corporate shills, but fuck if I don’t have every intention of trying to hold them accountable to doing things. I'd just start organizing the protests now (I am locally). Highly unlikely it even takes 60 days before there's a massive protest against police brutality triggered by some horrific event. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:12 JimmiC wrote: I don't think getting rid of student debt is that great of a policy. It is attacking the symptom instead of the cause. And if your being completely pragmatic it only helps those who are already voting for him. I'd rather he looked into how to get it less expensive, more accessible and improve education for everyone in the poorer neighborhoods in the US. The issue is that they can't not treat this symptom and it is far easier to treat than systemic reforms. The economy is fucked in about 5-10 years if millennials have to keep their current student debt, and this is one of the few things he can resolve without Congress. Systemic reforms will require congress, though. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote: I'd just start organizing the protests now (I am locally). Highly unlikely it even takes 60 days before there's a massive protest against police brutality triggered by some horrific event. Yeah, I didnt mean start protesting at day 60, but protesting for 60 days til they buckle, or more likely laugh it off and do nothing. | ||
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Mohdoo
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Zambrah
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:39 Mohdoo wrote: Not leaving the Paris accords, back in the WHO, Trump having his legacy completely dumpstered Wich is a hughe relive to the entire world | ||
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JimmiC
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:35 Zambrah wrote: Also, lets dispel this notion that college in the US is only for middle class and rich people, its not. 35% of people 25 and older held a bachelor's degree or higher as pf 2018, and I really doubt 35% of the US is entirely middle class or rich. I speak as a 26 year old person who grew up in poverty who got a bachelor's degree. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/02/number-of-people-with-masters-and-phd-degrees-double-since-2000.html#:~:text=Between 2000 and 2018, the,25.6 percent to 35.0 percent. EDIT: Also, why not help the middle class? Americans EAT THAT SHIT UP. If it’s not for corporate handouts, there simply aren’t enough trillions in the budget to afford something like getting rid of student debt. The money just isn’t there. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:41 JimmiC wrote: First congrats. And second, yes help them too just not first. And yes there is more than 35% of the population in the US would be considered middle class. 13% are considered below the poverty line. Lots of great charts you can look at here. https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2019/demo/p60-266.html#:~:text=The official poverty rate in,14.8 percent to 11.8 percent. awesome! Heres my question for you. How long do we have to wait where nothing is happening because youre busy pushing for things that require Republicans that will never work with you? Your method leads to NOTHING being accomplished, why is this better than things that are slightly less important actually being accomplished? | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I mean that would be a major progressive volley. It would help in 22, but also help Schumer in reelection battle. That would clear all of my student debt. I think I'd cry tears of joy if this happened. | ||
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JimmiC
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:10 Zambrah wrote: I like to know specifically what I’m going to be loudly bitching at Biden for the next four years and that I’m positive he can do and not pass off the blame to Republicans on. Can he only suspend it, or does he have the power to actually cancel it? EDIT: 50k is nice, but this is the kind of half measure they need to stop doing, cancel ALL of it, any negative fallout will occur with any amount forgiven so do the right thing and forgive it all imo. He has the power to forgive all federal loans via executive order. He can also buy all privatized student loans and fogive those via EO. Bernie Sanders ran on this in 2016 and 2020. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24394 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:43 Zambrah wrote: Heres my question for you. How long do we have to wait where nothing is happening because youre busy pushing for things that require Republicans that will never work with you? Your method leads to NOTHING being accomplished, why is this better than things that are slightly less important actually being accomplished? It's amazing how people that actually want the things so easily fall into this trap of coming up with endless excuses for why they can't get them. It's obvious imo that Democrats and Republicans do the "oh we'd give it to you if not for the other guys" because it allows them to ostensibly support things they have no actual will or desire to enact. I get why the politicians do it, I get why people who just want the cultural clout of supporting the stuff do it, I can't quite wrap my mind around people that genuinely want this stuff falling for the same scheme so consistently. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:47 JimmiC wrote: Why is what I'm pushing for republicans need to work for and not what you are? And why are you so angry that I disagree with what you think should be first. I also think you might need some time of reflection, because you wanting your debt cleared up might be jading your view on what I am saying. It is why so many Bernie supporters led with it when they talked to people and why they did so bad with them. Other things youre putting ahead of this can't always be done by Executive Order, eliminating all student debt doesn't have to go through Congress. Reforming higher education financially will have to. Healthcare will have to. Your issue here isn't with anything other than whats able to be done politically, I agree that we need proper healthcare, and that we need to reform the higher education system, and that we need to work on climate change, but anything that requires the Republicans via Congress cannot be prioritized before things we can do via EO because its going to create a bottleneck where anything that is prioritized below the Congressional Approval requiring shit won't happen. EO stuff first because its doable, anything that Republicans have to opine on has to come second. | ||
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JimmiC
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