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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
On November 08 2020 06:51 IyMoon wrote: I don't think people get that Trump owes a lot of money to a lot of people. The only time rich people in the US get theirs is when they owe other rich people money. I fully expect things to happen to Trump. He might not go to jail, but hes going to lose everything Bernie Madoff would agree. As was said just up the page, the difference between Trump and other former incumbents is he happened to treat a lot of people like shit. Be it by publicly denigrating an incredibly large number of people, what we hear about his conduct in private and god knows what we don’t hear about his private conduct. It’s no particular faith in the system in generally holding the powerful to account, more that in this domain as in many others Trump is rather an outlier. If my former boss is being investigated for fraud or w/e, but was a great guy to me for years, I’m conflicted when investigators come looking corroboration, even if he’s transgressed my own sensibilities of propriety. If my boss has treated me like absolute trash for 4 years, or threw me under the bus for his fuckup, I’m not even waiting for investigators to come to me, I’m on that phone ASAP. I think there will be some kind of reckoning here, be it criminal charges that stick, financial ruin or at least some downsizing of his empire. I think Trump has made a huge miscalculation in some of his conduct because he’s used to being the boss in his own organisation and cannot differentiate between loyalty, sound counsel and fear of his wrath keeping peoples heads under the parapet. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:12 JimmiC wrote: I don't think getting rid of student debt is that great of a policy. It is attacking the symptom instead of the cause. And if your being completely pragmatic it only helps those who are already voting for him. I'd rather he looked into how to get it less expensive, more accessible and improve education for everyone in the poorer neighborhoods in the US. It’s attacking a symptom but it’s not like we only have to do one thing at a time, we can take some cold medicine for the symptoms and get lots of rest and stay hydrated to cure the cold. Also, keeping the fucked over in the US fucked over isn’t going to do Democrats any favors. Forgive the debt, make sure the higher education financial landscape isn’t as damning anymore for people going foreward. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
In all caps, beautiful. Someone needs to explain to Dumbnald that, while absolutely correct, he forgot to mention that the guy running against him has now the title of "most voted for person, ever". | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:06 CorsairHero wrote: I don't think Trump ever had a picture like this Trump’s family is, weird to me. Everyone seems some kind of projection of brand Trump and his ego, at least in terms of public image. Maybe he is a good dad and they’re a loving family behind closed doors. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:12 JimmiC wrote: I don't think getting rid of student debt is that great of a policy. It is attacking the symptom instead of the cause. And if your being completely pragmatic it only helps those who are already voting for him. I'd rather he looked into how to get it less expensive, more accessible and improve education for everyone in the poorer neighborhoods in the US. Why not both? I think wider reform is the bigger and more pertinent thing to do long-term (the same over here) but cutting debt especially as Covid is rolling on would have a lot of impact on people’s lives, and indeed some knock-ons across the board. Being saddled with debt, or indeed healthcare worries is a real stifling factor for people to be entrepreneurial and take risks, and we’re going to need people to be able to be bold to help restimulate things. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24204 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I mean that would be a major progressive volley. It would help in 22, but also help Schumer in reelection battle. I guess Warren campaigned on doing something like this, so she thinks it can be done by just telling the department of education to cancel it. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10530 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:12 JimmiC wrote: I don't think getting rid of student debt is that great of a policy. It is attacking the symptom instead of the cause. And if your being completely pragmatic it only helps those who are already voting for him. I'd rather he looked into how to get it less expensive, more accessible and improve education for everyone in the poorer neighborhoods in the US. While this is certainly true that paying off debt is not the core solution, I agree with the poster above: take the cold medicine, go to the doctor to get those antibiotics or change your lifestyle to a preventative health-lifestyle (exercising, eating right, etc). The bathtub is full and the faucet is still on. We can either figure out how to turn off the faucet, remove the plug, or take some water out. We can't turn off the faucet, students will always want to go to college thereby being the faucet of student debt. Trying to get the plug out is gonna be tough, we're gonna need to either brute force it or try some other solution to remove it. So we can only, for now, grab a bucket and take some water out here and there. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:17 m4ini wrote: The flood gates might've opened. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325194709443080192 In all caps, beautiful. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325195021339987969 Someone needs to explain to Dumbnald that, while absolutely correct, he forgot to mention that the guy running against him has now the title of "most voted for person, ever". It looks like the lid doesn't so much mean "we won't hear more from the White House" as it means "any tweets you see will spring whole cloth and unedited from the broken mind of the commander in chief." Also an utterly baffling tack towards caring about popular vote margins. You ain't winning the popular vote, chief. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:18 WombaT wrote: Trump’s family is, weird to me. Everyone seems some kind of projection of brand Trump and his ego, at least in terms of public image. Maybe he is a good dad and they’re a loving family behind closed doors. Na. I haven't read it, but Mary Trumps book explains what kind of a person he is from the interviews I've seen of her. Remember Melania stayed in NY and kept his kid there to renegotiate their prenup lol. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:19 FlaShFTW wrote: While this is certainly true that paying off debt is not the core solution, I agree with the poster above: take the cold medicine, go to the doctor to get those antibiotics or change your lifestyle to a preventative health-lifestyle (exercising, eating right, etc). The bathtub is full and the faucet is still on. We can either figure out how to turn off the faucet, remove the plug, or take some water out. We can't turn off the faucet, students will always want to go to college thereby being the faucet of student debt. Trying to get the plug out is gonna be tough, we're gonna need to either brute force it or try some other solution to remove it. So we can only, for now, grab a bucket and take some water out here and there. I agree. While Jimmy isn't american, he displays a very american treat here though. If something doesn't fix everything immediately and to 100%, it's not worth doing. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: It looks like the lid doesn't so much mean "we won't hear more from the White House" as it means "any tweets you see will spring whole cloth and unedited from the broken mind of the former commander in chief." Also an utterly baffling tack towards caring about popular vote margins. You ain't winning the popular vote, chief. Fixed that, and lol, no. He never did, neither now nor in 2016. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:19 FlaShFTW wrote: While this is certainly true that paying off debt is not the core solution, I agree with the poster above: take the cold medicine, go to the doctor to get those antibiotics or change your lifestyle to a preventative health-lifestyle (exercising, eating right, etc). The bathtub is full and the faucet is still on. We can either figure out how to turn off the faucet, remove the plug, or take some water out. We can't turn off the faucet, students will always want to go to college thereby being the faucet of student debt. Trying to get the plug out is gonna be tough, we're gonna need to either brute force it or try some other solution to remove it. So we can only, for now, grab a bucket and take some water out here and there. Doing something like forgiving student debt also has the benefit of like, I mean it’s DOING something, Democrat MO of, “sorry! Couldn’t do anything, Republicans lol.” wears very thin when they fail to do things that they don’t need Republicans permission to do. They can point to it and said, “even through an obstructed Senate we brought relief to millions of Americans!” or however they want to spin it. Shows a willingness to do things we don’t often see from Dems | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46246 Posts
Breaking tons of glass ceilings and barriers is phenomenal. But keep in mind that we still need to hold the Biden/Harris administration up to high standards. "They're better than Trump/Pence" is not good enough. They, their Cabinet, the Senate, and the House all need to make things better for us, not just "not as bad as a second Trump term would have been". | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Anything we can do by EO we do. Anything done requiring the Senate is going to have to wait years or be watered down, have those talks or whatever, but don’t use the stuff that needs to be fought tooth and nail for to obstruct the stuff that we don’t need to fight over. Again, please GOD do not have this mentality, it’s enabling every bad do nothing Democrat instinct they have. If you give them an excuse to fuck over Americans they’ll take it, we cannot let them have these excuses. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24204 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:23 Zambrah wrote: Doing something like forgiving student debt also has the benefit of like, I mean it’s DOING something, Democrat MO of, “sorry! Couldn’t do anything, Republicans lol.” wears very thin when they fail to do things that they don’t need Republicans permission to do. They can point to it and said, “even through an obstructed Senate we brought relief to millions of Americans!” or however they want to spin it. Shows a willingness to do things we don’t often see from Dems Day 1 EO's will set the tone for Biden's presidency. I'm not optimistic. On November 08 2020 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: A return to not having daily scandals will be amazing. Breaking tons of glass ceilings and barriers is phenomenal. But keep in mind that we still need to hold the Biden/Harris administration up to high standards. "They're better than Trump/Pence" is not good enough. They, their Cabinet, the Senate, and the House all need to make things better for us, not just "not as bad as a second Trump term would have been". You know people are going to replace "better than Trump/Pence" with whoever is next and critique will be chastised as counterproductive. Why would it be different this time? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote: Day 1 EO's will set the tone for Biden's presidency. I'm not optimistic. I’m hoping for Day 60 EOs if we can organize protests and demand shit. If it doesn’t happen, then yes, basically hopeless. Not expecting much from Biden/Harris, I consider them to be dishonest corporate shills, but fuck if I don’t have every intention of trying to hold them accountable to doing things. | ||
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