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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Yurie
12087 Posts
Right you are. There is no will to make taxes work in a reasonable way. Thus it can't be paid for. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 08 2020 08:17 JimmiC wrote: I'd second this, I would be very interested to know what can and can't be done. It is always strange to me how much power the president has in some ways and how in other it seems like the senate is the one with the juice. However I would just be a lurker because I have no clue on the answers. I'll be very interested as well especially on his promises in regards to the environment. Is pot decriminalization something he could do by EO? It was in his campaign promises. edit: Oh ninja'd. That would make it able to be researched and so on correct? Does it effect what banks can do with the money or the criminalization? I'm not sure on what all this would entail. I am just very certain he can end its Schedule I classification. Anything beyond that is me guessing and I don't want to spread misinformation. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 08 2020 07:54 Nevuk wrote: I feel like you're being sarcastic, but am not 100% sure. If Biden doesn't do it, the GOP candidate elected in 2024 will, debt be damned. That's how much of a non starter the idea of not doing it is. Unless you're from the US you don't really have an idea of just how badly the <40 crowd has been affected by US student loans. This on top of going through a great recession and covid, both of which are going to damage our long term earnings. It is simply impossible to not cave to the biggest demand of the biggest voting bloc. Student debt was eventually going to be eliminated, that was obvious at least 8 years ago. Saying that you'll eliminate student debt then failing to do so is standard fare for getting a momentary bump in support from gullible young people. Delay payment and offer new repayment options, certainly - but no way, no how can it simply be written off. Student debt is just one of the many trillion-dollar debt bubbles that the US has, and not even the smartest one to tackle (given that unless you deal with the fundamental problem of education costs, it won't matter in the end). But promising it then failing to deliver is one of the best ways to make a million indebted graduates quiver with anticipation for debt relief. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26785 Posts
On November 08 2020 08:15 Nebuchad wrote: My (extremely swiss) pipe dream is that he does some national referendums into executive orders. That way stuff gets done and nobody can say that he's being authoritarian. Spoken like a true Swiss. It’s a pretty good idea for policies with broad public support though, it does head off accusations of being undemocratic. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 08:21 LegalLord wrote: Saying that you'll eliminate student debt then failing to do so is standard fare for getting a momentary bump in support from gullible young people. Delay payment and offer new repayment options, certainly - but no way, no how can it simply be written off. Student debt is just one of the many trillion-dollar debt bubbles that the US has, and not even the smartest one to tackle (given that unless you deal with the fundamental problem of education costs, it won't matter in the end). But promising it then failing to deliver is one of the best ways to make a million indebted graduates quiver with anticipation for debt relief. How dare you describe my feelings so accurately | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 08 2020 08:21 LegalLord wrote: Saying that you'll eliminate student debt then failing to do so is standard fare for getting a momentary bump in support from gullible young people. Delay payment and offer new repayment options, certainly - but no way, no how can it simply be written off. For instance, the housing bubble will collapse once people realize millennials literally can't afford houses. Student debt is just one of the many trillion-dollar debt bubbles that the US has, and not even the smartest one to tackle (given that unless you deal with the fundamental problem of education costs, it won't matter in the end). But promising it then failing to deliver is one of the best ways to make a million indebted graduates quiver with anticipation for debt relief. Student debt is different in that our entire economy is predicated on 25-55 year olds spending above their means, and student debt means that this "demo" will be spending 1/10 of what boomers did at their age. The economy will die if they don't stop the payments. For instance, the housing bubble will explode if people realize that millennials are too poor to buy housing. If these were debts being paid to a private company that'd be one thing. Instead, it's just straight to the government : these are essentially taxes that are narrowly targeted at a specific age group. Our older generations cut taxes and instead made us take out loans for things they got from their parent's taxes (education, which used to be far cheaper due to state funding). Whether the economy's current structure SHOULD die is a different question, but there's definitely no will to kick that hornet's nest (as should be indicated by this coming from Schumer, rather than Pelosi. For all that Pelosi is something of a centrist, she's always been much more open to progressive policies than Chuck). | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23946 Posts
On November 08 2020 08:09 Zambrah wrote: We should make a list of what can be accomplished via EO and what has to go through Congress, I'm deeply curious about what I need to be demanding from Biden and what I can safely have no expectations for. The folks at The American Prospect have a reasonably good compilation of some of the stuff that is literally Day 1 stuff that could be stacked for signatures and have immediate impacts that are significant. There's also stuff that would be initiated day 1 and take time to implement or be more first step type/pressure inducing actions. https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda It's not an especially radical or left-wing list/collection of essays either. It also mentions where there is some space between what is possible/they advocate, and what Biden has already claimed to support. EDIT: There's a lot and much of it technocratic jargon if you really dig into it, but things like rescheduling cannabis and cutting student debt (to whatever degree) are ones that poll well and can be done day 1. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I'm loving the idea that I might be involved in trying to hold someone accountable to their actions. After having worked in the insurance industry its a mighty feeling. EDIT: The article with the 277 EO chart is sweet, even notes what might need Congressional stuff. Love it. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Now the real thing you need to do is figure out what to do with the 50+million people that still think someone like Trump is a good leader for the US. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On the otherhand, it wasnt QUITE enough to push those Senate seats, so it might pose an issue when it comes to attractive other demographics. I imagine youth voters are a lot easier to organize. https://twitter.com/RealDanielColey/status/1324739209937244161?s=20 | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23946 Posts
On November 08 2020 09:24 Zambrah wrote: 90% turnout for Black youth in Georgia?! That is utterly insane, you love to see it! On the otherhand, it wasnt QUITE enough to push those Senate seats, so it might pose an issue when it comes to attractive other demographics. I imagine youth voters are a lot easier to organize. https://twitter.com/RealDanielColey/status/1324739209937244161?s=20 Trump claiming 62% of white 18-29 y.o's there is uhh... wow. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10399 Posts
On November 08 2020 09:35 GreenHorizons wrote: Trump claiming 62% of white 18-29 y.o's there is uhh... wow. Just goes to show our failing education system where they view this guy as a good person for the youth. Youth are dumb sure, but damn that's still an insane number. Maybe just purely the conservative families raising their kids to believe all democrats are evil. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Pretty shitty any which way though | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 08 2020 09:37 FlaShFTW wrote: Just goes to show our failing education system where they view this guy as a good person for the youth. Youth are dumb sure, but damn that's still an insane number. Maybe just purely the conservative families raising their kids to believe all democrats are evil. Can confirm the upbringing angle is definitely a thing. I was regularly told by my father that Obama was a secret Muslim, come to install Sharia Law and dismantle the US. I've since left Florida. Worked a county election here in PA, akshully. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10399 Posts
On November 08 2020 09:40 Zambrah wrote: Its probably a cross section of conservative family upbringing and Trump's meme existence if I had to guess. Pretty shitty any which way though I wonder how many of them are actually just like edgy high schoolers/underclassman college students who blindly follow conservatives to own the libs and actually vote for Trump for that reason. I know there's a substantial portion of students like that on the West Coast, I can only imagine how many of those people exist in a state like Georgia. At least a couple thousand maybe. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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