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40k votes got counted for Az, Biden's margin dropped from 28k to 20k. 131k more votes to go there.
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United States24805 Posts
On November 08 2020 01:14 Nevuk wrote:Trump has fired the individual overseeing the nuclear weapons safety program (NNSA, Lisa Gordon-Hagerty). However, he did so after she was retweeting pro-Trump whining about election fraud. Show nested quote +
Lisa Gordon-Hagerty, administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration, the first woman to oversee the agency in charge of the nuclear stockpile. She was required to resign on Friday.
Bonnie Glick, deputy administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development. She was replaced by the acting administrator John Barsa, who had run out of time for his more senior role under the Federal Vacancies Reform Act.
Neil Chatterjee, chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and a former aide to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. He was replaced as chairman, though he will remain at FERC, an independent agency, as a commissioner.
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/06/932376507/trump-dumps-3-agency-leaders-in-wake-of-election?t=1604755476522
Oh crap the NNSA resignation actually affects me. And Esper might go too? Things are going to be crazy for a couple of months.
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On November 08 2020 01:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 23:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Savage comeback a year after by Greta Thunberg. She annoys me most of the time but she is fiercely smart:
Seriously? She annoys you most of the time?
All the time, actually. For me personally.
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Fun fact, the press conference is located directly next to an adult book store.
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On November 08 2020 01:17 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 01:14 Nevuk wrote:Trump has fired the individual overseeing the nuclear weapons safety program (NNSA, Lisa Gordon-Hagerty). However, he did so after she was retweeting pro-Trump whining about election fraud.
Lisa Gordon-Hagerty, administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration, the first woman to oversee the agency in charge of the nuclear stockpile. She was required to resign on Friday.
Bonnie Glick, deputy administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development. She was replaced by the acting administrator John Barsa, who had run out of time for his more senior role under the Federal Vacancies Reform Act.
Neil Chatterjee, chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and a former aide to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. He was replaced as chairman, though he will remain at FERC, an independent agency, as a commissioner.
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/06/932376507/trump-dumps-3-agency-leaders-in-wake-of-election?t=1604755476522 Oh crap the NNSA resignation actually affects me. And Esper might go too? Things are going to be crazy for a couple of months.
I'm a little confused by why he fired her. Here's a collection of her retweets (probably her - she has a pretty unique name)
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On November 08 2020 01:20 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 01:17 micronesia wrote:On November 08 2020 01:14 Nevuk wrote:Trump has fired the individual overseeing the nuclear weapons safety program (NNSA, Lisa Gordon-Hagerty). However, he did so after she was retweeting pro-Trump whining about election fraud.
Lisa Gordon-Hagerty, administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration, the first woman to oversee the agency in charge of the nuclear stockpile. She was required to resign on Friday.
Bonnie Glick, deputy administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development. She was replaced by the acting administrator John Barsa, who had run out of time for his more senior role under the Federal Vacancies Reform Act.
Neil Chatterjee, chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and a former aide to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. He was replaced as chairman, though he will remain at FERC, an independent agency, as a commissioner.
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/06/932376507/trump-dumps-3-agency-leaders-in-wake-of-election?t=1604755476522 Oh crap the NNSA resignation actually affects me. And Esper might go too? Things are going to be crazy for a couple of months. I'm a little confused by why he fired her. Here's a collection of her retweets (probably her - she has a pretty unique name) https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1324803423322034176
Maybe he meant to fire the head of the NSA.
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NBC News is declaring Biden won after he broke the 30k threshold in PA.
AP calls it as well. It's done.
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That probably explains Dumbnalds tweet an hour ago. I bet he knew by then already.
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Seems they correlated to do it at the same time. No?
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 07 2020 23:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 22:51 WombaT wrote:On November 07 2020 21:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 21:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 07 2020 21:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 21:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 07 2020 21:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 21:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
In the US specifically many, many, radically left people from the 60's and 70's were targeted by the federal government for harassment, imprisonment, and death. That includes people from MLK jr, to Fred Hampton, Fannie Lou Hamer, to Angela Davis.
The radical Black liberation movement didn't age out, the federal government in collaboration with others did everything they could to stomp them out. Despite Biden's consistent lying about it, he was on the wrong side of that and it's not a coincidence he (the white moderate) is in power and Black Panthers are still in prison.
I'll be honest, I don't know enough about them to answer, but I do believe you. The racial component here adds a totally different layer that is absent when we talk far left in Europe for example. Fred Hampton would be 6 years younger than Biden and could be a political powerhouse right now had the FBI, Chicago PD, and a Democrat AG not conspired to assassinate him in his bed next to his pregnant girlfriend and then cover it up. Yeah. In France, ironically, racism was basically not a political issue until the socialist party (moderate reformist left) gained power in the early 80's and kind of replaced the old class warfare by a more identity policy-like ideology. The anti racist movement gained traction as the more marxist inspired, class-oriented leftism died out. The US and Europe are politically completely different universes. Not going to pretend to know much about French politics, but intersectionality has always been something some leftists struggle with. Class reductionism and Democrats bastardizing intersectionality is certainly something we're struggling with on the left in the US currently. I guess so. If anything, identity politics has replaced class warfare in France. To simplify enormously, we transitioned from the Communist party (which was a vassal of Moscow and totally authoritarian) versus the bourgeoisie, to the a rather compromised anti-racist moderate left versus the fascists of Jean Marie and then Marine Le Pen. It's wayyy more complicated than that if you enter the detail, of course but I would say that intersectionality has been the main issue of the left in France too, and that it has botched the turn completely. Instead of seeing antiracism as an organic part of leftism, Mitterand has used it as a weapon to abandon the working class and displace the political battlefield entirely in a way that actually has in the long run only benefited the fascists. + Show Spoiler +I can only comment anecdotally, my father’s side are all pretty staunch lefties.
Not to the level of Communist radicalism but as a staunch godless secularist and proponent of religiously mixed education my grandfather was pretty out there in his day.
For context I’m only 31 now, but I went to one of the first primary schools that was officially ‘integrated’, which is our term for a school that both admits Protestants and Catholics (and mysterious ‘others’). How I met prominent politicians like Martin McGuinness and Hillary Clinton as our school was used a lot for media jaunts for that reason. Which will no doubt will sound crazy to you folks which is why I added the context. Not that long ago, also as a caveat mixing did ofc occur unofficially but not under symbolically equal terms (a Protestant could go to a Catholic school and do all the Catholic ceremonies and teachings of religion, or vice versa).
Anyway back to the point, my late grandfather, or my paternal aunty for that matter I don’t recall having a huge amount of issue in left spaces, when it comes to intersectionality and the likes. The latter being a lifelong outspoken feminist who was part of the anti-apartheid movement back in the day.
Intersectionality is just extending the analysis of what people already thought to more categories, so I think it’s pretty wholly compatible with old lefties as well. Provided it’s done ‘properly’.
A myopic focus on one specific area can shunt out others and be off-putting for the forming of broader coalitions. Or the exclusion outright of a particular area, especially the class analysis stuff.
‘Woke centrism’ for example isn’t at all appealing to people with left economic views, but provided the things I mentioned aren’t done there’s plenty of room for the old folk.
One advantage that’s not really oft-mentioned is old folk came from a time where more was in play. Their political and personal formative years occurred when mass protest was effective in enacting change, socialism was still duelling with capitalism and thus more radical change isn’t merely a pipe dream, it’s something they’ve seen happen. Growing up now, capitalist orthodoxy is so ingrained it’s not seen by many as an ideology or designed structural system but as the default or the natural order or things. So I suppose in that domain older people may have differing perspectives to this generation or two. Interesting story in general so thank you for sharing. This particular part has been one of the biggest things I've struggled within myself and others. It also undermines the "they'll die out" thinking in that the capitalist orthodoxy you're describing is more hegemonic in many ways within the US population nowadays than 60 years ago. So in many ways the people dying out are the ones that have living memory of when civil rights were too much to demand and what it took to overcome the moderates and reformists that told them they wanted too much too fast.
No worries. Yeah it's both interesting, arguably depressing to consider. I'm not a huge fan of just lazily throwing out the 'people get more conservative as they get older anyway'.
One other thing I find interesting to consider and also is rather neglected in discussions is the role that churches used to play in political organisation. Churches have both the power of compulsion as well as attracting all sorts of folks from all walks of life under one roof that few others tend to have. Probably again influenced by my familial experiences, if my paternal side are urbanite godless lefties, my mum's are our vague equivalent of the rust belt over in the States. So while a godless heathen myself I do cast the occasional envious glance at the kind of bringing together of the community that the church enables.
Of course, alternative avenues for organisation absolutely are still there. They do often tend to attract the already converted, rather than being broad pools of which everyone can be reached together.
The shift in the workplace and employment isn't particularly positive either. How do you even unionise a lot of transient, irregular workers, never mind harness them in any cohesive direction together? My late father felt rather strongly about what the BBC did in these domains, or when it was attacked by outside forces, but he worked there from before I was born and the rest of his working life. 30-40 years working in the same place and being treated well gets a lot of emotional buy-in.
It seems to me rather difficult to organise anyone as nobody seems to consider the possibility that their working conditions could be permanent. Very much a prevalent mentality of 'well this job is shit but sure I'm studying and eventually I'll get a good job. One, it doesn't always work out that way anyway, and two, well it's just a pretty selfish but understandable position for many people.
Much to consider I guess, I'm pondering these questions quite a lot of late and I'm struggling to think of answer, but I am enjoying exploring the issues and having the back-and-forth on them in here at least.
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Finally. Excited to see what Donnie has to say later. Comedy gold.
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He's golfing. His legal team is supposed to do a press conference.
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Van Jones is BREAKING DOWN right now on CNN. You can tell he is just so god damn happy and relieved.
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someone in my apartment complex just blew an air horn. that’s how i knew it was called 🤷🏻♂️
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On November 08 2020 00:48 mahrgell wrote:
I would consider Russia to be one of the least likely nations to harbour him.
It simply dies not fit their MO, they want to play both sides, always creating more or less plausible deniability. Taking Trump would do the opposite.
So 5/1 for outside the US, that would sound good enough for me. But Russia specifically... Can't imagine them believing this would help their plan. He kinda lost his use personally, even though surely their diversion seeking social media initiatives will still appreciate him being around and will guel the fire.
Somebody should tell him to go to Puerto Rico, because there's no extradition from there to the USA.
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On November 08 2020 01:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:Seriously? She annoys you most of the time?
Oh, she is awesome in many ways and her achievements are remarkable. I also think she fights the good fight, and most certainly the right way. Her persona really does get on my nerves though. Does that make me a bad person?
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Enjoy your golf now Donald, not gonna get to play much in jail. GOOD RIDDANCE
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