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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8204 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 14:44:48
November 07 2020 14:44 GMT
#4941
Savage comeback a year after by Greta Thunberg. She annoys me most of the time but she is fiercely smart:


The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24399 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 14:48:17
November 07 2020 14:46 GMT
#4942
On November 07 2020 22:51 WombaT wrote:
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On November 07 2020 21:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 07 2020 21:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 07 2020 21:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 07 2020 21:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 07 2020 21:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 07 2020 21:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
In the US specifically many, many, radically left people from the 60's and 70's were targeted by the federal government for harassment, imprisonment, and death. That includes people from MLK jr, to Fred Hampton, Fannie Lou Hamer, to Angela Davis.

The radical Black liberation movement didn't age out, the federal government in collaboration with others did everything they could to stomp them out. Despite Biden's consistent lying about it, he was on the wrong side of that and it's not a coincidence he (the white moderate) is in power and Black Panthers are still in prison.

I'll be honest, I don't know enough about them to answer, but I do believe you. The racial component here adds a totally different layer that is absent when we talk far left in Europe for example.


Fred Hampton would be 6 years younger than Biden and could be a political powerhouse right now had the FBI, Chicago PD, and a Democrat AG not conspired to assassinate him in his bed next to his pregnant girlfriend and then cover it up.

Yeah.

In France, ironically, racism was basically not a political issue until the socialist party (moderate reformist left) gained power in the early 80's and kind of replaced the old class warfare by a more identity policy-like ideology. The anti racist movement gained traction as the more marxist inspired, class-oriented leftism died out.

The US and Europe are politically completely different universes.

Not going to pretend to know much about French politics, but intersectionality has always been something some leftists struggle with. Class reductionism and Democrats bastardizing intersectionality is certainly something we're struggling with on the left in the US currently.

I guess so. If anything, identity politics has replaced class warfare in France. To simplify enormously, we transitioned from the Communist party (which was a vassal of Moscow and totally authoritarian) versus the bourgeoisie, to the a rather compromised anti-racist moderate left versus the fascists of Jean Marie and then Marine Le Pen.

It's wayyy more complicated than that if you enter the detail, of course but I would say that intersectionality has been the main issue of the left in France too, and that it has botched the turn completely. Instead of seeing antiracism as an organic part of leftism, Mitterand has used it as a weapon to abandon the working class and displace the political battlefield entirely in a way that actually has in the long run only benefited the fascists.

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I can only comment anecdotally, my father’s side are all pretty staunch lefties.

Not to the level of Communist radicalism but as a staunch godless secularist and proponent of religiously mixed education my grandfather was pretty out there in his day.

For context I’m only 31 now, but I went to one of the first primary schools that was officially ‘integrated’, which is our term for a school that both admits Protestants and Catholics (and mysterious ‘others’). How I met prominent politicians like Martin McGuinness and Hillary Clinton as our school was used a lot for media jaunts for that reason. Which will no doubt will sound crazy to you folks which is why I added the context. Not that long ago, also as a caveat mixing did ofc occur unofficially but not under symbolically equal terms (a Protestant could go to a Catholic school and do all the Catholic ceremonies and teachings of religion, or vice versa).

Anyway back to the point, my late grandfather, or my paternal aunty for that matter I don’t recall having a huge amount of issue in left spaces, when it comes to intersectionality and the likes. The latter being a lifelong outspoken feminist who was part of the anti-apartheid movement back in the day.

Intersectionality is just extending the analysis of what people already thought to more categories, so I think it’s pretty wholly compatible with old lefties as well. Provided it’s done ‘properly’.

A myopic focus on one specific area can shunt out others and be off-putting for the forming of broader coalitions. Or the exclusion outright of a particular area, especially the class analysis stuff.

‘Woke centrism’ for example isn’t at all appealing to people with left economic views, but provided the things I mentioned aren’t done there’s plenty of room for the old folk.

One advantage that’s not really oft-mentioned is old folk came from a time where more was in play. Their political and personal formative years occurred when mass protest was effective in enacting change, socialism was still duelling with capitalism and thus more radical change isn’t merely a pipe dream, it’s something they’ve seen happen.


Growing up now, capitalist orthodoxy is so ingrained it’s not seen by many as an ideology or designed structural system but as the default or the natural order or things. So I suppose in that domain older people may have differing perspectives to this generation or two.



Interesting story in general so thank you for sharing. This particular part has been one of the biggest things I've struggled within myself and others. It also undermines the "they'll die out" thinking in that the capitalist orthodoxy you're describing is more hegemonic in many ways within the US population nowadays than 60 years ago.

So in many ways the people dying out are the ones that have living memory of when civil rights were too much to demand and what it took to overcome the moderates and reformists that told them they wanted too much too fast.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 14:51:10
November 07 2020 14:48 GMT
#4943
So Georgia is looking more and more like a full Biden win. The mythical "military" a.k.a. overseas vote would need to be basically fully returned and break 80-20 at this point, and while a recount will happen it netting thousands of votes would be...shocking.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 14:50:44
November 07 2020 14:50 GMT
#4944
Looking at his newest batch of hidden tweets, Trump is throwing it on : unobserved votes are illegal votes. He thinks he can throw out hundreds of thousands of votes.

Tens of thousands of votes were illegally received after 8 P.M. on Tuesday, Election Day, totally and easily changing the results in Pennsylvania and certain other razor thin states. As a separate matter, hundreds of thousands of Votes were illegally not allowed to be OBSERVED...

....This would ALSO change the Election result in numerous States, including Pennsylvania, which everyone thought was easily won on Election Night, only to see a massive lead disappear, without anyone being allowed to OBSERVE, for long intervals of time, what the happened...

....Bad things took place during those hours where LEGAL TRANSPARENCY was viciously & crudely not allowed. Tractors blocked doors & windows were covered with thick cardboard so that observers could not see into the count rooms. BAD THINGS HAPPENED INSIDE. BIG CHANGES TOOK PLACE!


There were fucking camera crews at the counting stations. Confirmed observers from both Reps and Dems and Independents. This whole 'It happened in secret' is so incredulous.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22664 Posts
November 07 2020 14:53 GMT
#4945
I expect Trump to complain but not file suits because then the Judge will ask annoying questions like "were there any observers watching".
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 14:54:55
November 07 2020 14:54 GMT
#4946
On November 07 2020 23:53 Gorsameth wrote:
I expect Trump to complain but not file suits because then the Judge will ask annoying questions like "were there any observers watching".


I just want more of this:

"Well, that depends on your definition of watching."

"Were there a non-zero number of observers affiliated with your client's team in the room?"

"...Yes."

"Then what are you complaining about?"
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 07 2020 15:02 GMT
#4947
On November 07 2020 22:27 m4ini wrote:
Feel like pointing out that there's a devastating message out there that could really hurt Trump personally, deeply. In fact, maybe destroy him entirely, maybe lead to an actual mental breakdown. At the very least, it'll give us another tirade. (overdramatization)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trump-twitter-rules-newsworthy-election

Once he gets kicked out of office, he'll lose his "special twitter privileges", leading to a potential ban rather than just "blanking out" his misleading/lying tweets.

Considering the sheer volume, density and velocity of bullshit coming from that twitter account, it's not hard to imagine what happens to that account in the near future.


Oh there is going to be a whole lot more than just that.

I truly think he wants a civil war because he knows how much deep shit he is in.

His time will come. Soon enough.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 15:08:11
November 07 2020 15:02 GMT
#4948
Okay the legal team won't be at the four seasons it will actually be at a landscaping company on the edge of Philadelphia.



I mean we have entered It's Always Sunny territory here.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8931 Posts
November 07 2020 15:04 GMT
#4949
your soon to be former american president ladies and gentlemen
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 07 2020 15:09 GMT
#4950
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 07 2020 15:12 GMT
#4951
The Gang Tries to Reject Reality and Replace it with Their Own
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 07 2020 15:15 GMT
#4952
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
November 07 2020 15:16 GMT
#4953
https://www.fstl1992.com/ :DDDDDD this is unbelievable

The heart's eternal vow
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 07 2020 15:25 GMT
#4954
A landscaping company? What in the
Neosteel Enthusiast
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 15:27:06
November 07 2020 15:26 GMT
#4955
Via Acosta

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
November 07 2020 15:29 GMT
#4956
On November 08 2020 00:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Via Acosta

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1325096366234882051


Perhaps they're looking for concrete at that landscaping company.
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 07 2020 15:32 GMT
#4957
When you read stuff like https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-biden-election-day-2020/card/zU0rMlE7ltxzuW4lIwai

You can also see very simple motives for continuing those hopeless flailing attempts at legal action with no chance of success.
Give up now, then who pays the bills. You might cover at least some bills when keeping up the show for the plebs a bit longer.

Well simple motives besides denial and ego stroking.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 07 2020 15:33 GMT
#4958
Nate Cohn again speaking the obvious.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 07 2020 15:35 GMT
#4959
On November 08 2020 00:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
A landscaping company? What in the


If they blow off Cali and the other west coast states from the US mainland and declarie them as a second Puerto Rico he has a shot at winning.

Thats the contract off their lives.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46541 Posts
November 07 2020 15:36 GMT
#4960
On November 08 2020 00:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Via Acosta

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1325096366234882051


So the Trump campaign admits to having no evidence of voter fraud, yet Trump continues to claim it occurred...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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