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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23954 Posts
On November 07 2020 22:51 WombaT wrote: + Show Spoiler + I can only comment anecdotally, my father’s side are all pretty staunch lefties. Not to the level of Communist radicalism but as a staunch godless secularist and proponent of religiously mixed education my grandfather was pretty out there in his day. For context I’m only 31 now, but I went to one of the first primary schools that was officially ‘integrated’, which is our term for a school that both admits Protestants and Catholics (and mysterious ‘others’). How I met prominent politicians like Martin McGuinness and Hillary Clinton as our school was used a lot for media jaunts for that reason. Which will no doubt will sound crazy to you folks which is why I added the context. Not that long ago, also as a caveat mixing did ofc occur unofficially but not under symbolically equal terms (a Protestant could go to a Catholic school and do all the Catholic ceremonies and teachings of religion, or vice versa). Anyway back to the point, my late grandfather, or my paternal aunty for that matter I don’t recall having a huge amount of issue in left spaces, when it comes to intersectionality and the likes. The latter being a lifelong outspoken feminist who was part of the anti-apartheid movement back in the day. Intersectionality is just extending the analysis of what people already thought to more categories, so I think it’s pretty wholly compatible with old lefties as well. Provided it’s done ‘properly’. A myopic focus on one specific area can shunt out others and be off-putting for the forming of broader coalitions. Or the exclusion outright of a particular area, especially the class analysis stuff. ‘Woke centrism’ for example isn’t at all appealing to people with left economic views, but provided the things I mentioned aren’t done there’s plenty of room for the old folk. One advantage that’s not really oft-mentioned is old folk came from a time where more was in play. Their political and personal formative years occurred when mass protest was effective in enacting change, socialism was still duelling with capitalism and thus more radical change isn’t merely a pipe dream, it’s something they’ve seen happen. Growing up now, capitalist orthodoxy is so ingrained it’s not seen by many as an ideology or designed structural system but as the default or the natural order or things. So I suppose in that domain older people may have differing perspectives to this generation or two. Interesting story in general so thank you for sharing. This particular part has been one of the biggest things I've struggled within myself and others. It also undermines the "they'll die out" thinking in that the capitalist orthodoxy you're describing is more hegemonic in many ways within the US population nowadays than 60 years ago. So in many ways the people dying out are the ones that have living memory of when civil rights were too much to demand and what it took to overcome the moderates and reformists that told them they wanted too much too fast. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Tens of thousands of votes were illegally received after 8 P.M. on Tuesday, Election Day, totally and easily changing the results in Pennsylvania and certain other razor thin states. As a separate matter, hundreds of thousands of Votes were illegally not allowed to be OBSERVED... ....This would ALSO change the Election result in numerous States, including Pennsylvania, which everyone thought was easily won on Election Night, only to see a massive lead disappear, without anyone being allowed to OBSERVE, for long intervals of time, what the happened... ....Bad things took place during those hours where LEGAL TRANSPARENCY was viciously & crudely not allowed. Tractors blocked doors & windows were covered with thick cardboard so that observers could not see into the count rooms. BAD THINGS HAPPENED INSIDE. BIG CHANGES TOOK PLACE! There were fucking camera crews at the counting stations. Confirmed observers from both Reps and Dems and Independents. This whole 'It happened in secret' is so incredulous. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22367 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 07 2020 23:53 Gorsameth wrote: I expect Trump to complain but not file suits because then the Judge will ask annoying questions like "were there any observers watching". I just want more of this: "Well, that depends on your definition of watching." "Were there a non-zero number of observers affiliated with your client's team in the room?" "...Yes." "Then what are you complaining about?" | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 07 2020 22:27 m4ini wrote: Feel like pointing out that there's a devastating message out there that could really hurt Trump personally, deeply. In fact, maybe destroy him entirely, maybe lead to an actual mental breakdown. At the very least, it'll give us another tirade. (overdramatization) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trump-twitter-rules-newsworthy-election Once he gets kicked out of office, he'll lose his "special twitter privileges", leading to a potential ban rather than just "blanking out" his misleading/lying tweets. Considering the sheer volume, density and velocity of bullshit coming from that twitter account, it's not hard to imagine what happens to that account in the near future. Oh there is going to be a whole lot more than just that. I truly think he wants a civil war because he knows how much deep shit he is in. His time will come. Soon enough. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
I mean we have entered It's Always Sunny territory here. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On November 08 2020 00:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Via Acosta https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1325096366234882051 Perhaps they're looking for concrete at that landscaping company. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
You can also see very simple motives for continuing those hopeless flailing attempts at legal action with no chance of success. Give up now, then who pays the bills. You might cover at least some bills when keeping up the show for the plebs a bit longer. Well simple motives besides denial and ego stroking. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On November 08 2020 00:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: A landscaping company? What in the If they blow off Cali and the other west coast states from the US mainland and declarie them as a second Puerto Rico he has a shot at winning. Thats the contract off their lives. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45921 Posts
On November 08 2020 00:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Via Acosta https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1325096366234882051 So the Trump campaign admits to having no evidence of voter fraud, yet Trump continues to claim it occurred... | ||
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