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On November 07 2020 22:27 m4ini wrote:Feel like pointing out that there's a devastating message out there that could really hurt Trump personally, deeply. In fact, maybe destroy him entirely, maybe lead to an actual mental breakdown. At the very least, it'll give us another tirade. (overdramatization) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trump-twitter-rules-newsworthy-electionOnce he gets kicked out of office, he'll lose his "special twitter privileges", leading to a potential ban rather than just "blanking out" his misleading/lying tweets. Considering the sheer volume, density and velocity of bullshit coming from that twitter account, it's not hard to imagine what happens to that account in the near future.
I told my gf that the only thing I was hoping for when it comes to him was to see him banned from Twitter; never thought that it was an option.
That would be so, so, so good. On the one hand, it would be a heavy decision for twitter, and i guess they would alienate a looot of their public, on the other hand, they probably can't fucking wait.
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They'll never ban someone who generates so much interest in their platform, they're not ethical enough to care about what he says either.
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On November 07 2020 22:33 Zambrah wrote:
They'll never ban someone who generates so much interest in their platform, they're not ethical enough to care about what he says either.
Frankly he is enormously detrimental to their image, and they have to be aware of it. Half the time they are mentioned anywhere it's because of that toxic clown posting conspirationist diarrhea on their platform. It's not good for business, in the long run.
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On November 07 2020 22:33 Zambrah wrote:
They'll never ban someone who generates so much interest in their platform, they're not ethical enough to care about what he says either.
That's the one side of america. The other side, currently winning the presidency, sees it the polar opposite.
Considering they actually do "police" his account, while not 100% certain, i'm reasonably sure they'll continue to do so.
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The only risk Trump runs Twitter is if they get cracked down on by the government in some form of regulation, if people are using Twitter to keep track of Trump or insult Trump or fight with people retweeting Trump or whatever they're going to keep that going just so long as it doesnt threaten regulation imo
EDIT: They'll certainly police his tweets in whatever manner they deem enough to feign care, but I doubt theyll outright ban the nutter
another EDIT: Consider YouTube, YouTube doesn't actually care if a video gets liked or disliked, it weighs both of those things as "engagement" or whatever corporate sex word they use. For them, "eNgAgInG" with their platform comes before whether or not that eNgAgEmEnT is positive or negative/
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There is no such thing as bad publicity.
Trump is the only reason i even look at twitter. I dont think they will ban him but instead stick with blurring out posts.
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On November 07 2020 22:38 pmh wrote:
There is no such thing as bad publicity.
Trump is the only reason i even look at twitter. I dont think they will ban him but instead stick with blurring out posts.
That's the one thing that they won't do anymore. They literally said it in the interview.
The tweets getting blurred out/hidden is because he's the president. If he isn't anymore, that's not happening anymore - they'll get removed. Get enough tweets removed (= rules broken), get suspended.
But, Twitter has confirmed, the policy does not apply to former elected officials. They have to follow the same rules as everyone else, and if a tweet breaks those rules, it gets removed. Were Trump to continue breaking Twitter’s rules regularly post-presidency, his account could be suspended.
“Twitter’s approach to world leaders, candidates and public officials is based on the principle that people should be able to choose to see what their leaders are saying with clear context,” a spokesman told the Guardian. “This means that we may apply warnings and labels, and limit engagement to certain Tweets. This policy framework applies to current world leaders and candidates for office, and not private citizens when they no longer hold these positions.”
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Hmm yes that i can see. Removing his tweets over blurring out. Still dont think they will ban even if he exceeds the limit.
It doesnt seem worth it to me either,if they remove his posts long enough then he will eventually leave the platform himself or be forced to stick with non controversial posts which i think would be an overall better outcome then a ban.
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We'll see.
Either way, rough times ahead for the guy. Twitter out to get him, Deutsche Bank out to get him potentially, Lawsuits etc pp - i wonder at which point he starts regretting the presidency.
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I wonder if the long delay in calling it is having a positive effect on acceptance levels in the MAGA crowd.
Strong emotions (anger/rage) is not conductive to logical thinking and they would most certainly get mad if the election had been called for Biden 2 days ago. "Uncertain" is much harder to get angry at and it's a state that by default activates logical thinking if you want to understand it, which you probably want if you are a strong supporter of a candidate. It's really difficult for anyone to not follow what is happening right now. The slow decline in votes over days instead of the election being called the same day should lead to many Trumpers having internalized his loss when it is actually called. I wonder if that will also make it easier to accept it.
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On November 07 2020 22:38 pmh wrote:
There is no such thing as bad publicity.
Trump is the only reason i even look at twitter. I dont think they will ban him but instead stick with blurring out posts.
Not sure about that. Especially considering how much scrutiny they are under by different legislator when it comes to hate speech and disinfornation. Their future now depends in their ability to regulate content, and they are clearly aware of it. They are walking on thin ice.
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On November 07 2020 21:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 21:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 07 2020 21:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 21:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 07 2020 21:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 21:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
In the US specifically many, many, radically left people from the 60's and 70's were targeted by the federal government for harassment, imprisonment, and death. That includes people from MLK jr, to Fred Hampton, Fannie Lou Hamer, to Angela Davis.
The radical Black liberation movement didn't age out, the federal government in collaboration with others did everything they could to stomp them out. Despite Biden's consistent lying about it, he was on the wrong side of that and it's not a coincidence he (the white moderate) is in power and Black Panthers are still in prison.
I'll be honest, I don't know enough about them to answer, but I do believe you. The racial component here adds a totally different layer that is absent when we talk far left in Europe for example. Fred Hampton would be 6 years younger than Biden and could be a political powerhouse right now had the FBI, Chicago PD, and a Democrat AG not conspired to assassinate him in his bed next to his pregnant girlfriend and then cover it up. Yeah. In France, ironically, racism was basically not a political issue until the socialist party (moderate reformist left) gained power in the early 80's and kind of replaced the old class warfare by a more identity policy-like ideology. The anti racist movement gained traction as the more marxist inspired, class-oriented leftism died out. The US and Europe are politically completely different universes. Not going to pretend to know much about French politics, but intersectionality has always been something some leftists struggle with. Class reductionism and Democrats bastardizing intersectionality is certainly something we're struggling with on the left in the US currently. I guess so. If anything, identity politics has replaced class warfare in France. To simplify enormously, we transitioned from the Communist party (which was a vassal of Moscow and totally authoritarian) versus the bourgeoisie, to the a rather compromised anti-racist moderate left versus the fascists of Jean Marie and then Marine Le Pen. It's wayyy more complicated than that if you enter the detail, of course but I would say that intersectionality has been the main issue of the left in France too, and that it has botched the turn completely. Instead of seeing antiracism as an organic part of leftism, Mitterand has used it as a weapon to abandon the working class and displace the political battlefield entirely in a way that actually has in the long run only benefited the fascists.
I can only comment anecdotally, my father’s side are all pretty staunch lefties.
Not to the level of Communist radicalism but as a staunch godless secularist and proponent of religiously mixed education my grandfather was pretty out there in his day.
For context I’m only 31 now, but I went to one of the first primary schools that was officially ‘integrated’, which is our term for a school that both admits Protestants and Catholics (and mysterious ‘others’). How I met prominent politicians like Martin McGuinness and Hillary Clinton as our school was used a lot for media jaunts for that reason. Which will no doubt will sound crazy to you folks which is why I added the context. Not that long ago, also as a caveat mixing did ofc occur unofficially but not under symbolically equal terms (a Protestant could go to a Catholic school and do all the Catholic ceremonies and teachings of religion, or vice versa).
Anyway back to the point, my late grandfather, or my paternal aunty for that matter I don’t recall having a huge amount of issue in left spaces, when it comes to intersectionality and the likes. The latter being a lifelong outspoken feminist who was part of the anti-apartheid movement back in the day.
Intersectionality is just extending the analysis of what people already thought to more categories, so I think it’s pretty wholly compatible with old lefties as well. Provided it’s done ‘properly’.
A myopic focus on one specific area can shunt out others and be off-putting for the forming of broader coalitions. Or the exclusion outright of a particular area, especially the class analysis stuff.
‘Woke centrism’ for example isn’t at all appealing to people with left economic views, but provided the things I mentioned aren’t done there’s plenty of room for the old folk.
One advantage that’s not really oft-mentioned is old folk came from a time where more was in play. Their political and personal formative years occurred when mass protest was effective in enacting change, socialism was still duelling with capitalism and thus more radical change isn’t merely a pipe dream, it’s something they’ve seen happen.
Growing up now, capitalist orthodoxy is so ingrained it’s not seen by many as an ideology or designed structural system but as the default or the natural order or things. So I suppose in that domain older people may have differing perspectives to this generation or two.
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On November 07 2020 22:48 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I wonder if the long delay in calling it is having a positive effect on acceptance levels in the MAGA crowd.
Strong emotions (anger/rage) is not conductive to logical thinking and they would most certainly get mad if the election had been called for Biden 2 days ago. "Uncertain" is much harder to get angry at and it's a state that by default activates logical thinking if you want to understand it, which you probably want if you are a strong supporter of a candidate. It's really difficult for anyone to not follow what is happening right now. The slow decline in votes over days instead of the election being called the same day should lead to many Trumpers having internalized his loss when it is actually called. I wonder if that will also make it easier to accept it.
I'm certain of that.
It's in fact how many things in politics work. Have stuff die down slowly (because the public forgets/stops caring after a week), then do it.
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It's scary to me how willingly people throw their lives away for a conspiracy theory this dumb. I've said that when the guy stormed the pizzeria with an assault rifle, i'll say it now.
This requires neurons firing sideways or something.
Not sure about that. Especially considering how much scrutiny they are under by different legislator when it comes to hate speech and disinfornation. Their future now depends in their ability to regulate content, and they are clearly aware of it. They are walking on thin ice.
Oh yeah, i forgot about that - Twitter can now be held legally responsible for the content on their page, can't they?
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On November 07 2020 22:48 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I wonder if the long delay in calling it is having a positive effect on acceptance levels in the MAGA crowd.
Strong emotions (anger/rage) is not conductive to logical thinking and they would most certainly get mad if the election had been called for Biden 2 days ago. "Uncertain" is much harder to get angry at and it's a state that by default activates logical thinking if you want to understand it, which you probably want if you are a strong supporter of a candidate. It's really difficult for anyone to not follow what is happening right now. The slow decline in votes over days instead of the election being called the same day should lead to many Trumpers having internalized his loss when it is actually called. I wonder if that will also make it easier to accept it.
Possibly,it does make some sense to me.
On the other hand:imagine how devastating it would be for many people if after this build up Trump would end up winning.
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Wow. While those guys where obviously pretty dense for following such a dumb conspiracy, it s still frigthening to see, how much information there is available about the suspect. No matter how much evidence there is and how bad the supposed crime is, in germany there would never be the full name in the media. Let alone their employe. Quite scary and alienating
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Matt Gaetz has tested positive for COVID.
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I just wish they'd call this thing already so we can move on to the next phase of this story, the most destructive lame duck session of Congress in United States history.
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Trump to have Press Conference with legal team at 11am.
edit: Trump is golfing, so it may just be his legal team.
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