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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 17:10:59
November 05 2020 17:10 GMT
#3141
Btw, we've had elections that weren't decided until February or March of the next year (1800 and 1876 presidential elections).

The 1876 election was actually more divisive than this one (shots were fired at the eventual president-elect), and ended with a series of strange compromises that ended reconstruction far too early and paved the way for the Jim Crow laws of the south. All for a president who wound up doing basically nothing of note.

From wiki :
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In Florida (with 4 electoral votes), Louisiana (with 8), and South Carolina (with 7), reported returns favored Tilden, but election results in each state were marked by electoral fraud and threats of violence against Republican voters. The worst case was in South Carolina, where an impossible 101 percent of all eligible voters in the state had their votes counted.[16] One of the points of contention revolved around the design of ballots. At the time, parties would print ballots or "tickets" to enable voters to support them in the open ballots. To aid illiterate voters the parties would print symbols on the tickets. In this election, many Democratic ballots were printed with the Republican symbol, Abraham Lincoln, on them.[17] The Republican-dominated state electoral commissions subsequently disallowed enough Democratic votes to award their electoral votes to Hayes.

In two southern states, the governor recognized by the United States had signed the Republican certificates. The Democratic certificates from Florida were signed by the state attorney-general and the new Democratic governor. Those from Louisiana were signed by the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, and those from South Carolina by no state official. In the latter state, the Tilden electors simply claimed that they were chosen by the popular vote, and they were rejected by the state election board.[18]

Meanwhile, in Oregon, the vote of a single elector was disputed. The statewide result clearly favored Hayes, but the state's Democratic governor, La Fayette Grover, claimed that one GOP elector, former postmaster John Watts, was ineligible under Article II, Section 1, of the United States Constitution, since he was a "person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States." Grover then substituted a Democratic elector in his place. The two Republican electors dismissed Grover's action and each reported three votes for Hayes, while the Democratic elector, C. A. Cronin, reported one vote for Tilden and two votes for Hayes. The two Republican electors presented a certificate signed by the secretary of state of Oregon. Cronin and the two electors he appointed (Cronin voted for Tilden while his associates voted for Hayes) used a certificate signed by the governor and attested by the secretary of state.[18] Ultimately, all three of Oregon's votes were awarded to Hayes.

Hayes thus had a majority of one in the Electoral College. The Democrats cried fraud. Suppressed excitement pervaded the country. Threats were even muttered that Hayes would never be inaugurated. In Columbus, Ohio, a shot was fired at Governor Hayes' residence as he sat down to dinner. Supporters marched to his home, calling for the "president". Hayes urged the crowd that, "it is impossible, at so early a time, to obtain the result."[19] President Grant quietly strengthened the military force in and around Washington.[18]



On November 06 2020 02:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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On November 06 2020 02:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Perdue vs Ossoff is really spicy. If Perdue doesn't get 50% then there will be a runoff election, giving dems a chance for 50 senators later in january. Latest report Perdue is at 49.9996% lmao


Everything about these elections is over the top.

I think Ossoff stands a better chance in January without Trump on the ballot.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24226 Posts
November 05 2020 17:11 GMT
#3142
Small updates coming in now for Pennsylvania and Nevada all positive for Biden so far.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44216 Posts
November 05 2020 17:11 GMT
#3143
On November 06 2020 02:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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On November 06 2020 02:00 Sbrubbles wrote:
On November 06 2020 01:54 Simberto wrote:
I have been wondering throughout this thing, why do your elections get reported piece by piece? Why not simply count the votes, and then deliver a result?


Cause people want to know? Also, the faster the result comes out, the less time there is for tampering with it, presumably.

The issue is that it's taking a long time, not the staggered nature of it, which is common in a lot of places, especially ones with multiple time zones.


Well we would probably already have the results in the states that are left but the state GOP's refused to have mail ballots be counted until election day. Thus we still don't know the result.

Until after ballots closed on Election Day too. It’s a deliberate attempt to build a narrative.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28875 Posts
November 05 2020 17:12 GMT
#3144
lol I think that's literally 19 votes out of almost 5 million?
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 05 2020 17:13 GMT
#3145
Would they recount if it was 1 vote off 50%? Or runoff regardless?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 05 2020 17:13 GMT
#3146
On November 06 2020 02:10 Nevuk wrote:
Btw, we've had elections that weren't decided until February or March of the next year (1800 and 1876 presidential elections).

The 1876 election was actually more divisive than this one (shots were fired at the eventual president-elect), and ended with a series of strange compromises that ended reconstruction far too early and paved the way for the Jim Crow laws of the south. All for a president who wound up doing basically nothing of note.

It's good to know that this election is at least somewhat less chaotic than the utter mess that was Tilden vs Hayes.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 17:19:04
November 05 2020 17:14 GMT
#3147
Trump's lead in PA shrinking to about 100k now, Nevada mail-ins said to be in good territory for Biden also according to Jon Ralston, a real political oracle in the state. But Ralston is adding that we're unlikely to see the state called for anyone by today.

PA Supreme Court ruled no GOP vote watchers I think? I probably misread at first.

Edit: "I'm pretty sure the issue in PA isn't "no poll watchers", it's that the Trump campaign wanted to violate COVID-19 regulations concerning how many people can be in the room at a time to watch."

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 05 2020 17:16 GMT
#3148
I'm pretty sure the issue in PA isn't "no poll watchers", it's that the Trump campaign wanted to violate COVID-19 regulations concerning how many people can be in the room at a time to watch.

Also Biden's lead in Nevada has increased to 12,000 votes.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 17:17:52
November 05 2020 17:16 GMT
#3149
Kinda off election topic but: If my views align with being libertarian/progressive which party (not just red or blue) should I have voted for?

I know dem and rep party will always be the only viable choices in my lifetime. So I’m curious which way I should lean.

Disclaimer: I’m VERY dumb when it comes to politics identity. I had to google what my views were closest to lol
Skol
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 17:18:36
November 05 2020 17:16 GMT
#3150
A lot of these legal challenges are falling apart for Trump (it's not surprising, he's a serial SLAPPER and doesn't really understand law or government in any way, and these seem entirely personal rather than supported by the adults in the room). I can't help but wonder the quality of lawyers he's finding to argue them at this point.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 05 2020 17:19 GMT
#3151
serial SLAPPER


Leave Davie504 out of this.
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2020 17:20 GMT
#3152
Biden extends his lead in NV.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 05 2020 17:21 GMT
#3153
On November 06 2020 02:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
Kinda off election topic but: If my views align with being libertarian/progressive which party (not just red or blue) should I have voted for?

I know dem and rep party will always be the only viable choices in my lifetime. So I’m curious which way I should lean.

Disclaimer: I’m VERY dumb when it comes to politics identity. I had to google what my views were closest to lol

Libertarian and progressive are in diametric opposition to each other, so I'm not sure what you're asking.

Progressive = Leftist economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarian = Far right economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarians tend to vote R (which really makes no sense : The GOP in the past two years threw off even the hint of libertarian economic ideals) and progressives vote D.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 05 2020 17:21 GMT
#3154
On November 06 2020 02:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
Kinda off election topic but: If my views align with being libertarian/progressive which party (not just red or blue) should I have voted for?

I know dem and rep party will always be the only viable choices in my lifetime. So I’m curious which way I should lean.

Disclaimer: I’m VERY dumb when it comes to politics identity. I had to google what my views were closest to lol


I think it matters with do you feel more libertarian or more progressive. Whichever feels more like you should probably go R/D
Something witty
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 05 2020 17:22 GMT
#3155
On November 06 2020 02:21 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 02:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
Kinda off election topic but: If my views align with being libertarian/progressive which party (not just red or blue) should I have voted for?

I know dem and rep party will always be the only viable choices in my lifetime. So I’m curious which way I should lean.

Disclaimer: I’m VERY dumb when it comes to politics identity. I had to google what my views were closest to lol

Libertarian and progressive are in diametric opposition to each other, so I'm not sure what you're asking.

Progressive = Leftist economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarian = Far right economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarians tend to vote R (which really makes no sense : The GOP in the past two years threw off even the hint of libertarian economic ideals) and progressives vote D.


This really isn't true at all, and it exemplifies the problem with a binary political system.

Libertarians are heavily opposed to progressive on economic issues, but almost perfectly line up with them on most social issues. This is exactly the opposite when compared to the GOP.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22503 Posts
November 05 2020 17:25 GMT
#3156
On November 06 2020 01:58 Nevuk wrote:
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On November 06 2020 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 06 2020 01:54 Simberto wrote:
I have been wondering throughout this thing, why do your elections get reported piece by piece? Why not simply count the votes, and then deliver a result?



Because of GOP


Eh, that's not really true. That's the media's fault really. It's also always going to be piecemeal for president, even if we only reported it once a state was counted.

Officially our election ends in December, btw. So you can understand why we want it earlier than that.
January actually.
The electoral college votes in December but those votes are not officially tallied until Jan 6th before a combined session of the new Congress.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
November 05 2020 17:26 GMT
#3157
On November 06 2020 02:21 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 02:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
Kinda off election topic but: If my views align with being libertarian/progressive which party (not just red or blue) should I have voted for?

I know dem and rep party will always be the only viable choices in my lifetime. So I’m curious which way I should lean.

Disclaimer: I’m VERY dumb when it comes to politics identity. I had to google what my views were closest to lol

Libertarian and progressive are in diametric opposition to each other, so I'm not sure what you're asking.

Progressive = Leftist economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarian = Far right economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarians tend to vote R (which really makes no sense : The GOP in the past two years threw off even the hint of libertarian economic ideals) and progressives vote D.

My right views align that I believe economies should be autonomous but I also have left views that some aspects should be nationalized (energy, health etc). So I guess I fall in neither
Skol
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10534 Posts
November 05 2020 17:26 GMT
#3158
MORNING EVERYONE!

Yeah Nevada is done. I expect a call within the hour the way the Nevada results are showing.

GA update: Trump +1.8k, Biden +5.6k. Biden over 75% on the recent batch. Still holding above the 66% line he needs.

PA update: Trump lead now 117k.

Arizona update: Trump +35k, Biden +25k. Trump still hanging onto 60/40 line.
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Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway492 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 17:27:14
November 05 2020 17:26 GMT
#3159
Lets not forget that the libertarian ideology were founded and spread by marxists. There are a lot of people who are libertarian and lean left (although they are less known in US).
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 05 2020 17:31 GMT
#3160
On November 06 2020 02:26 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 02:21 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 02:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
Kinda off election topic but: If my views align with being libertarian/progressive which party (not just red or blue) should I have voted for?

I know dem and rep party will always be the only viable choices in my lifetime. So I’m curious which way I should lean.

Disclaimer: I’m VERY dumb when it comes to politics identity. I had to google what my views were closest to lol

Libertarian and progressive are in diametric opposition to each other, so I'm not sure what you're asking.

Progressive = Leftist economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarian = Far right economic and liberal social policies.

Libertarians tend to vote R (which really makes no sense : The GOP in the past two years threw off even the hint of libertarian economic ideals) and progressives vote D.

My right views align that I believe economies should be autonomous but I also have left views that some aspects should be nationalized (energy, health etc). So I guess I fall in neither


Sounds bluer than red to me, tbh.

If I took Democrats at their word I’d say you share their values, but honestly you’re probably to the left of a centrist Democrat.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
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