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On November 06 2020 00:58 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 00:44 Nixer wrote:On November 06 2020 00:37 m4ini wrote:On November 06 2020 00:33 Nixer wrote:On November 06 2020 00:28 Mohdoo wrote:On November 06 2020 00:25 Nixer wrote:On November 06 2020 00:20 Mohdoo wrote:On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork? Same thing that’s wrong with Chinese air. Their regulations are less than ours. Similarly, the UK people are desperately trying to prevent importing American chicken because American food standards are much less strict. American chicken export is garbage compared to their domestic product. Can you point out these regulations regarding pork livestock, and the differences between the two countries? I’m not spending my time digging up government documents. Feel free to pretend you not understand what I’m saying. Then I think it's probably unfair to call it garbage to compared to US produced pork. Adherence to said standards be as it may, it very much seemed like a thinly veiled jab to me. No, the adherence to food standards is literally what makes a food standard work. "You can't call it garbage because they have food standards that nobody gives a shit about" doesn't work as an argument. Well, it's better to know said regulations first to know whether or not they're being adhered to, don't you think? Point anyway was to find out reports on whether or not imported Chinese pork in fact does have any discrepancies/is below US standards. I was curious if there was any evidence to support that claim Whether it is Covid or 100 other issues China has showed over and over its priority is to protect the ruling parties image (and their personal pocket books) over the good of their own people and people abroad. While a country like the US has also showed this, the separation (even if it is not what it should be) between the regulators and profiteers ads some safety to the system. Also, democracies are still beholden to the people because of elections whereas the Chinese officials are not. Beyond all that, I wish way more people were willing to spend up on ethically sourced and sustainably farmed food. It is out there, it is not that much more (like buy one less star bucks a week or less) and it does so much good. Its price would also fall if it was more popular. I hope at some point regulation gets to a point where it is not a option to get food any other way.
Honestly, I think China's regulators are probably a lot more trustworthy than the US' right now.
It's not that US regulators are bad, it's that they've had funding cut heavily and don't have nearly enough people to investigate basically any issue in any field. Almost every investigative regulatory agency only has the resources to investigate 1-2% of necessary level, iirc.
It's been part of our deregulation cuts over the past 20 years (with a small pause under Obama) : if the deregulation was too hard to get through, just make it easy to avoid the regulations.
Even if PA is still stalled, GA may be for Biden by the end of the day, and I think that resolves the issue, assuming NV is the same.
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Yeah this is why Biden needs the cushion from Arizona, Nevada and Georgia to feel truly safe. If Biden only gets 273 EC votes from a sole Pennsylvania win, I'd be very concerned about any successful court case that costs him those precious few votes, or a handful of unfaithful electors who stamp out his chances.
But I do think it's telling that the Trump campaign is mostly blustering and floundering around with lawsuits rather than projecting any firm confidence in their numbers. Meanwhile, Biden's campaign looks ready to start ordering decorations for the Oval Office. I'd assume both campaigns have access to ground-level internal data from counties or insider info from the states' SoS that indicate Biden is poised to take victory by tomorrow or today.
To give one example, a Democratic state legislator in Pennsylvania says they'll win by 100k-125k.
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Talking heads are also pointing out that the GOP isn't really putting any of its resources into contesting results or otherwise supporting the Trump Campaign's protestations. Also, Giuliani is apparently in charge of Trump Campaign's election legal challenges lol
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On November 06 2020 01:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 01:00 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 00:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 06 2020 00:56 TheTenthDoc wrote:
PA has pretty much always said counts won't/can't be final until Friday. The only question is whether Biden will be ahead or not by the end of today. PA isn't over until they send electors that will definitely vote for Biden (assuming he has more votes). If Trump can keep them from completely finalizing the vote with a Biden lead (like all the legal/bureaucratic dotting of i's and crossing of t's) he can lobby the legislature (Republican) to send electors loyal to him. I know its possible, but I really don't think that happens. There would be blood in the streets, a lot of it if that happened I mean Trump's going to push for it if it comes to that. imo It's just a matter of whether the Republicans there fall in line or not which probably boils down to whether they'd be more worried about losing a primary to a Trumpist that says they gave the election to Biden or a general where their opponent paints them as a Trump loyalist
This heavily understates the level of backlash that Republicans would get for gaming the election so hard that they send PA electors to vote for Trump when the PA popular vote was for Biden.
I'm pretty sure that there would be national riots that would make the George Floyd riots look like child's play.
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On November 06 2020 01:11 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 01:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 06 2020 01:00 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 00:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 06 2020 00:56 TheTenthDoc wrote:
PA has pretty much always said counts won't/can't be final until Friday. The only question is whether Biden will be ahead or not by the end of today. PA isn't over until they send electors that will definitely vote for Biden (assuming he has more votes). If Trump can keep them from completely finalizing the vote with a Biden lead (like all the legal/bureaucratic dotting of i's and crossing of t's) he can lobby the legislature (Republican) to send electors loyal to him. I know its possible, but I really don't think that happens. There would be blood in the streets, a lot of it if that happened I mean Trump's going to push for it if it comes to that. imo It's just a matter of whether the Republicans there fall in line or not which probably boils down to whether they'd be more worried about losing a primary to a Trumpist that says they gave the election to Biden or a general where their opponent paints them as a Trump loyalist This heavily understates the level of backlash that Republicans would get for gaming the election so hard that they send PA electors to vote for Trump when the PA popular vote was for Biden. I'm pretty sure that there would be national riots that would make the George Floyd riots look like child's play.
I'd imagine their argument would be that the "real" popular vote was not in favor of Biden. Rioting in support of Biden is counterproductive. He's more likely to concede ground to ease tensions than be emboldened.
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NPR just claimed Biden is ahead in NC. Can anyone corroborate?
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Interesting. Might be a sweep for Biden
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Big legal win in Pennsylvania!
what this means?
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On November 06 2020 01:16 Cricketer12 wrote:
NPR just claimed Biden is ahead in NC. Can anyone corroborate?
Not on NPR's site or the Secretary of state in NC
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On November 06 2020 01:19 Zidane wrote:
Interesting. Might be a sweep for Biden
I wouldn't mind that kind of cushion and having multiple states as failsafes against faithless electors / Trump trying to rig things.
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The tweet I posted about Alleghany County delaying their voting tomorrow is said to have had some misleading info. The real reason why is because of a court order flowing from the fact a contracting company (the one that flew Trump flags outside of its building) sent out 29k out of 35k wrong mail-in ballots last month.
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lol
I mean.. what else is there to say. It's shameful. Sounds like a Giuliani soundbite.
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On November 05 2020 22:20 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 22:18 RvB wrote:On November 05 2020 22:03 Neneu wrote:
Imagine living in a world where the free public healthcare is far left. Free public healthcare such as Medicare for all is definitely left. There are many kinds of ways to achieve universal healthcare without it being all public and free. Many developed countries work in a hybrid system with private (paid) health insurance with heavy government intervention and private healthcare providers in parts of the healthcare market. Tell me, what does Medicare mean to you? Because if the answer is free, totally government-side health insurance, that isn't correct.
Something like Medicare 4 all which Sanders proposes which in effect nationalizes the health insurance industry and makes it free except for things such as cosmetics. At least as far as I understand it (see link). A lot of his proposals go further than what we have here.
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/03/politics/medicare-for-all-annotated/
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It's pretty amazing that the chief executive is the only ruling Republican who wasn't let in on the information that voter fraud investigations don't change election results in literally 100% of cases.
I don't blame them, though, can you imagine trying to teach Trump something like that? I am not sure anyone even told him his voter fraud investigation panel dissolved...
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Trump and conservative reddits both full of supposed fraud evidence but it's hard to sift through and understand for someone without a good understanding of US election precesses.
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I look forward to watching how Trump's lame duck period plays out. Sounds like a fantastic show.
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On November 06 2020 01:34 schaf wrote:
Trump and conservative reddits both full of supposed fraud evidence but it's hard to sift through and understand for someone without a good understanding of US election precesses.
There isn't any. This is just conspiracy mongering by people who can't accept a loss.
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On November 06 2020 01:34 schaf wrote:
Trump and conservative reddits both full of supposed fraud evidence but it's hard to sift through and understand for someone without a good understanding of US election precesses.
That shit is hard to sift through even as someone who has literally taken a law school class on election law, so don't sweat it haha
On November 06 2020 01:27 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 22:20 farvacola wrote:On November 05 2020 22:18 RvB wrote:On November 05 2020 22:03 Neneu wrote:
Imagine living in a world where the free public healthcare is far left. Free public healthcare such as Medicare for all is definitely left. There are many kinds of ways to achieve universal healthcare without it being all public and free. Many developed countries work in a hybrid system with private (paid) health insurance with heavy government intervention and private healthcare providers in parts of the healthcare market. Tell me, what does Medicare mean to you? Because if the answer is free, totally government-side health insurance, that isn't correct. Something like Medicare 4 all which Sanders proposes which in effect nationalizes the health insurance industry and makes it free except for things such as cosmetics. At least as far as I understand it (see link). A lot of his proposals go further than what we have here. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/03/politics/medicare-for-all-annotated/
Sure, in its unaltered form, I think Bernie's proposal goes too far on the question of private insurance. In literal terms, however, a universalized Medicare system matches up quite closely with the public-private hybrids used in much of Europe.
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On November 06 2020 01:34 LegalLord wrote:
I look forward to watching how Trump's lame duck period plays out. Sounds like a fantastic show.
I wonder if there's an international betting market on him living up to his promise of never returning to Michigan...
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