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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 05 2020 15:04 GMT
#3061
On November 06 2020 00:01 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 23:58 JimmiC wrote:
On November 05 2020 23:43 Nevuk wrote:
Having worked for a US private health care pharmacy benefits manager in the past, that whole industry should 100% be abolished. Even if I were still working for them and didn't have another job lined up, I would still feel that way. Treated their employees like garbage and their customers worse. At least once I had a judge's order cross my desk, pointed it out to management, and had them reply "violates our policy, we won't do it".

IMO nothing that people need should be private, from healthcare, garbage and other utilities, education and so on. Well private has some benefits when it is a must for people the maximization of profit is way more damaging for society then what ever benefits can be gained by some more efficiency and possibly more innovation.


Interesting. Collectivization of the farms commence!

American farm industries are already just flat out socialism. It’s a good thing though because American farmers would never be able to compete with foreign prices. Do you want Chinese pork? Keeping our prices competitive to not eat garbage from China is a good thing
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22504 Posts
November 05 2020 15:09 GMT
#3062
On November 06 2020 00:01 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 23:58 JimmiC wrote:
On November 05 2020 23:43 Nevuk wrote:
Having worked for a US private health care pharmacy benefits manager in the past, that whole industry should 100% be abolished. Even if I were still working for them and didn't have another job lined up, I would still feel that way. Treated their employees like garbage and their customers worse. At least once I had a judge's order cross my desk, pointed it out to management, and had them reply "violates our policy, we won't do it".

IMO nothing that people need should be private, from healthcare, garbage and other utilities, education and so on. Well private has some benefits when it is a must for people the maximization of profit is way more damaging for society then what ever benefits can be gained by some more efficiency and possibly more innovation.


Interesting. Collectivization of the farms commence!
In 2019, farms received $22.6 billion in government payments, representing 20.4% of $111.1 billion in profits.
https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-data-says/

Lets not pretend like farming is some glorious free market. Heck Trump had to pump more money then ever before into them to try and survive the trade war with China.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
November 05 2020 15:09 GMT
#3063
What's wrong with Chinese pork?
Graphics
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 05 2020 15:11 GMT
#3064
Well, we should know Georgia by noon. And the locations of the outstanding ballots mean it's going to hit the wire.

Wonder if Nevada will find an excuse to make their announcement second...
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24226 Posts
November 05 2020 15:12 GMT
#3065
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?


Probably tainted like the Vitamin C(ommunism) /s
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
November 05 2020 15:12 GMT
#3066
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?


Its FREEDOM contents are below American nutritional guidelines
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 05 2020 15:13 GMT
#3067
--- Nuked ---
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 05 2020 15:16 GMT
#3068
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Securing a domestic food supply is probably a good idea, strategically.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 15:17:50
November 05 2020 15:17 GMT
#3069
On November 06 2020 00:16 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Securing a domestic food supply is probably a good idea, strategically.


Americans are known to eat shittons of soybeans, so i agree.
On track to MA1950A.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 15:20:04
November 05 2020 15:19 GMT
#3070
On November 06 2020 00:16 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Securing a domestic food supply is probably a good idea, strategically.

Definitely so. I was more alluding to Mohdoo calling it garbage, trying to figure out what he meant by that.
Graphics
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 05 2020 15:20 GMT
#3071
On November 05 2020 23:33 BisuDagger wrote:
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On November 05 2020 23:00 Artisreal wrote:
On November 05 2020 21:53 Wegandi wrote:
On November 05 2020 21:47 Artisreal wrote:
On November 05 2020 21:31 Dante08 wrote:
I don't really see this mentioned here but do you guys feel not all Trump voters necessarily support Trump but hate that the democrat party has swayed so left and hate the left so much that they just voted for Trump?

Remind us again what you consider the far left policies the Democratic Party is actively trying to pursue.


A not insignificant # of folks campaigned on medicare for all and outlawing private insurance (Harris being one). It was what...Biden and Buttigieg the only ones who didn't. If you see D trends they're moving to Sanders positions on a lot of things and even Germany aren't stupid enough to outlaw their private insurance market.

Just to make me understand better. You cite one policy where Harris is too far left for you and that seals the deal on the whole party being too far left?
Do you think her statement from July 2019 is not up to date anymore?
Unlike the current system, private plans in the new Medicare system will be held to stricter consumer protection standards than they are today, such as getting reimbursed less than what the Medicare plan will cost to operate, to ensure that they are delivering meaningful value and unable to profit off of gaming consumers or the government. People will also be able to purchase supplemental insurance covering services not included in Medicare, such as medical insurance for traveling abroad, or cosmetic surgery.

Source
Ill answer that for you. As she's now part of the Biden campaign, this is her current position, which reads pretty similar to me:

As president, Biden will protect the Affordable Care Act from these continued attacks. He opposes every effort to get rid of this historic law – including efforts by Republicans, and efforts by Democrats. Instead of starting from scratch and getting rid of private insurance, he has a plan to build on the Affordable Care Act by giving Americans more choice, reducing health care costs, and making our health care system less complex to navigate.

Source

How do you come to the conclusion that this high profile person now tries to undermine Joe Biden's position of not getting rid of private insurers?

On November 05 2020 22:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 05 2020 22:02 pmh wrote:
12 hours since Trumps last tweet,whats taking so long he must be up by now.


Maybe he's finally realized that his only realistic path to 270 is through diet and exercise.

lmao

Sometimes it only takes a single policy or idea. What if AOC became president in 2021 and ran off the premise that she will push 100% of her Green New Deal program through and had Dem control of congress and the supreme court.

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/8/18215774/green-new-deal-high-speed-train-air-travel
Now there is a ton to go over in that plan, but let's just assume she bans air travel by "x" date and moves to build speed railways immediately. Let's use California as a great example as to how development of the speed rail system has failed and continues to just eat up money.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2020-02-12/california-bullet-train-cost-rises-by-another-1-billion

Now let's apply that to a National Scale and this is trillions of dollars (who and where is that money coming from) to try and accomplish something that will take decades. Yes it will provide jobs, but it while siphon every penny we have.

Now my problem isn't with the idea as a whole, I think a country full of trains would be awesome, but that is just one item from her plan that is going to cost trillions of dollars and there are many other items that could cost trillions too. So now I'm stuck wondering if this woman is insane and really thinks all this can be done, or she's just putting out some crazy plan and so every plan after that would look mild and reasonable. For just this policy alone, I would never vote AOC for president.


I'm speaking with hyperbole obviously, but this is the kind of all or nothing logic that it sometimes feels like will happen if Democrats have power.

Call me naive and unaware, but what has happened that supports the bolded statement?
passive quaranstream fan
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 05 2020 15:20 GMT
#3072
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Same thing that’s wrong with Chinese air. Their regulations are less than ours.

Similarly, the UK people are desperately trying to prevent importing American chicken because American food standards are much less strict. American chicken export is garbage compared to their domestic product.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 05 2020 15:22 GMT
#3073
On November 06 2020 00:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Same thing that’s wrong with Chinese air. Their regulations are less than ours.

Similarly, the UK people are desperately trying to prevent importing American chicken because American food standards are much less strict. American chicken export is garbage compared to their domestic product.


That's not the UK, that's the EU.

In the UK there are fears that these standards are sacrificed on the altar of Brexit leading to import of chlorinated chicken and hormone treated beef.

On track to MA1950A.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 05 2020 15:22 GMT
#3074
Well Scotland very much so tries to safe themselves from the US food exports :D
passive quaranstream fan
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 05 2020 15:23 GMT
#3075
On November 06 2020 00:22 Artisreal wrote:
Well Scotland very much so tries to safe themselves from the US food exports :D


Didn't work out so well, heard a big american hog went there and built a golfing thing.
On track to MA1950A.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 05 2020 15:24 GMT
#3076
On November 06 2020 00:17 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 00:16 LegalLord wrote:
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Securing a domestic food supply is probably a good idea, strategically.


Americans are known to eat shittons of soybeans, so i agree.

Well there certainly is that strange way that farmers are subsidized into overproduction in the US.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 05 2020 15:25 GMT
#3077
On November 06 2020 00:22 Artisreal wrote:
Well Scotland very much so tries to safe themselves from the US food exports :D

And they should. Many countries do.

If Chinese standards are a 50, US is 60, EU is 80. No one should want worse than their government has already deemed minimum acceptable
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
November 05 2020 15:25 GMT
#3078
On November 06 2020 00:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Same thing that’s wrong with Chinese air. Their regulations are less than ours.

Similarly, the UK people are desperately trying to prevent importing American chicken because American food standards are much less strict. American chicken export is garbage compared to their domestic product.

Can you point out these regulations regarding pork livestock, and the differences between the two countries?
Graphics
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 15:28:05
November 05 2020 15:26 GMT
#3079
On November 06 2020 00:25 Nixer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 00:20 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 06 2020 00:09 Nixer wrote:
What's wrong with Chinese pork?

Same thing that’s wrong with Chinese air. Their regulations are less than ours.

Similarly, the UK people are desperately trying to prevent importing American chicken because American food standards are much less strict. American chicken export is garbage compared to their domestic product.

Can you point out these regulations regarding pork livestock, and the differences between the two countries?


To be 100% fair, i couldn't point to these regulations (or lack thereof) but i still would choose european and even american pork over chinese pork.

Mainly because even if there were sufficient (to me) regulations, which i honestly doubt that they're adhered to in china.

edit, wtf did i even write there


Mainly because even if there were, to me, sufficient regulations in china (which i honestly doubt), i don't trust that they're being adhered to. There.
On track to MA1950A.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 15:28:22
November 05 2020 15:28 GMT
#3080
Trump's latest bold election strategy: block the counting of ballots received after election day. Note that these are currently not what is being counted, and in many states the only way your votes get counted in this fashion is if you're serving overseas. NC (which Trump will win) is the main exception outstanding. PA also technically allows it, but there may be a legal battle over those ballots, and none have been counted yet.

I suspect Trump will reverse his stance on post-election day ballots the instant he falls behind in PA.
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