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On March 22 2020 03:16 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 02:39 TT1 wrote:
Anyone know where i can find N95 masks in Canada? Can't find any on Amazon/Ebay (or sellers are price gouging). Apparently hardware stores have been a good place to look for them. Though I will note that I doubt that N95 masks are going to be very useful from a practical infection avoidance perspective.
I've heard rumours of them being in stock periodically at Canadian Tire/Home depot.
I'm pretty proud of Canada though for our response in comparison to the states. Yeah we have a sizable population of idiots, but we've consistently been top-10 for testing totals and reasonably high up the testing/capita charts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing
I'm just hoping the high positive rate is just a function of the tests we're doing, and not the amount of people infected.
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On March 22 2020 03:16 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 02:39 TT1 wrote:
Anyone know where i can find N95 masks in Canada? Can't find any on Amazon/Ebay (or sellers are price gouging). Apparently hardware stores have been a good place to look for them. Though I will note that I doubt that N95 masks are going to be very useful from a practical infection avoidance perspective.
I read an interesting article about this earlier. The openings on them are 3 microns, the virus is 1 micron. So it isn't perfect, but it's shown at least a 5x reduction in transmission.
(Here's the interview where it was mentioned.
https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-interview-larry-brilliant-smallpox-epidemiologist/
A rather interesting inteview all around with an epidemiologist that predicted in 2006 this about the next pandemic:
But 14 years ago, Brilliant, the epidemiologist who helped eradicate smallpox, spoke to a TED audience and described what the next pandemic would look like. At the time, it sounded almost too horrible to take seriously. “A billion people would get sick," he said. “As many as 165 million people would die. There would be a global recession and depression, and the cost to our economy of $1 to $3 trillion would be far worse for everyone than merely 100 million people dying, because so many more people would lose their jobs and their health care benefits, that the consequences are almost unthinkable.”
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On March 22 2020 03:26 JimmiC wrote:The numbers are just exploding right now and the US is now has the 4th most. Given all the videos of people not taking it serious it is going to just rocketing it up. And the world is closing in on 300,000 reported cases, so when you consider all the non-reported and the people that just are not showing symptoms yet it is scary. https://www.bing.com/covid
The States will more than likely have the most cases in the world in a couple of weeks. Also the best defense is keeping your distance from people and washing your hands. no need to go overkill. the people who should only be getting at least 14 days worth of stuff are the ones looking after the sick who were told to keep them isolated or people at high risk.
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The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so.
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On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so.
It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude...
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On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude...
Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business.
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On March 22 2020 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude... Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business.
"Took weeks" sounds like too late already, hence my point. China, South Korea and others are successful because they acted quickly. 
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On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude...
He lowered my standards so much that I was positively surprised it only took weeks for him to drop his usual anti-intellectual shtick regarding this.
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On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so.
My vote is actually for one of Iran, Indonesia or India.
Lack of testing, containment or other infrastructure, and proximity to China means that they're hit hard.
Indonesia has 2.3k tests done as of today, of which nearly 20% were positive for covid.
High population, high density, low testing levels, and low to non-existent measures to curb it are going to result in a lot more deaths. USA is well behind right now, but with the relative weatlh of the country, it could potentially still come out in better shape than those few countries.
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starts from the top though fella. This is what happens when you have people like Boris and the Don in place. Also, there will always be a bunch of idiots. i.e. gamers lining up to get doom, animal crossing at EB or hikers in BC.
Seriously if we do our part it will seriously take a lot less time to see results and there will be less infections and casualties.
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On March 22 2020 07:40 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude... Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business. "Took weeks" sounds like too late already, hence my point. China, South Korea and others are successful because they acted quickly.
China locked everyone in for over a month, literally. If we can't last 1-2 months of a "light" quarantine.. that would say a lot about our society relative to the Asian countries.
The main reason why they managed to control the virus over there (Japan, S. Korea, Singapore etc.) is because they actually have discipline and listen to authoritative figures.
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On March 22 2020 07:53 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 07:40 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude... Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business. "Took weeks" sounds like too late already, hence my point. China, South Korea and others are successful because they acted quickly. China locked everyone in for over a month, literally. If we can't last 1-2 months of a "light" quarantine.. that would say a lot about our society relative to the Asian countries. The main reason why they managed to control the virus over there (Japan, S. Korea, Singapore etc.) is because they actually have discipline and listen to authoritative figures.
Japan has a deeply ingrained culture of social cohesion.
Singapore is nicely conform and all but they have punishments in place that I certainly don't want around here.
Don't know much about South Korea.
Either way I don't like that you are generalizing and saying we have this in the west because peeps were lazy and nonchalant.
The reason we have this is imo because leadership reacted too late, and then reacted too harshly, so we're going into a scenario where supplies are hard to find, and you can bet that every newspaper and every politician will be saying "it wasn't us, it was the virus". And it will have worse consequences than the virus itself imo.
Either way my presumable infection seems to have passed without a trace by now, might get tested next week.
The "unpleasant tearing feeling in the lungs" described it rather well for me.
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On March 22 2020 07:53 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 07:40 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude... Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business. "Took weeks" sounds like too late already, hence my point. China, South Korea and others are successful because they acted quickly. China locked everyone in for over a month, literally. If we can't last 1-2 months of a "light" quarantine.. that would say a lot about our society relative to the Asian countries. The main reason why they managed to control the virus over there (Japan, S. Korea, Singapore etc.) is because they actually have discipline and listen to authoritative figures.
Part of what we're not dealing with in the west is that because of our loose social restrictions we're looking at much longer before we actually flatten the curve.
Our politicians keep acting as if we're going to be able to lift these restrictions in a month or two but that would only be if we had started earlier and been stricter.
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On March 22 2020 08:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 07:53 TT1 wrote:On March 22 2020 07:40 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude... Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business. "Took weeks" sounds like too late already, hence my point. China, South Korea and others are successful because they acted quickly. China locked everyone in for over a month, literally. If we can't last 1-2 months of a "light" quarantine.. that would say a lot about our society relative to the Asian countries. The main reason why they managed to control the virus over there (Japan, S. Korea, Singapore etc.) is because they actually have discipline and listen to authoritative figures. Part of what we're not dealing with in the west is that because of our loose social restrictions we're looking at much longer before we actually flatten the curve. Our politicians keep acting as if we're going to be able to lift these restrictions in a month or two but that would only be if we had started earlier and been stricter.
You can be sure that this quarantine won't last more than 2 months because of economy and mental health to name a few. It's been a week here under lockdown and it's already annoying. I can't imagine this going for too long.
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On March 22 2020 07:53 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 07:40 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude... Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business. "Took weeks" sounds like too late already, hence my point. China, South Korea and others are successful because they acted quickly. China locked everyone in for over a month, literally. If we can't last 1-2 months of a "light" quarantine.. that would say a lot about our society relative to the Asian countries. The main reason why they managed to control the virus over there (Japan, S. Korea, Singapore etc.) is because they actually have discipline and listen to authoritative figures.
the main reason isn't just blind authority. It's a mix of many things but more importantly than draconian measures in country like Singapore or Taiwan, which did not close business and mostly not schools, was social distancing, tracing of the diseased, protection of the sick and so on. There are effective measures in place in these countries to prevent infections at the individual level.
In Taiwan there is a national health database and the country proactively went to people who had a history of respiratory illness and isolated them. Singapore uses mobile phone data to understand people's movement. In many cases extreme lockdowns would not be even necessary if we had adequate infrastructure.
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On March 22 2020 08:47 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 08:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 22 2020 07:53 TT1 wrote:On March 22 2020 07:40 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 22 2020 07:29 SC-Shield wrote:On March 22 2020 06:31 Nevuk wrote:
The US almost certainly already has the most cases in the World, just the worst testing. We'll know for absolutely certain when death rates start spiking in a week or so. It probably has to do with Trump's careless attitude... Wasn't just Trump, despite having the first case in the US, Washington took weeks to pull it's ish together and start kinda taking it seriously. Traffic when I'm commuting is only moderately lighter and lots of parking lots still have cars in them despite not striking me as essential business. "Took weeks" sounds like too late already, hence my point. China, South Korea and others are successful because they acted quickly. China locked everyone in for over a month, literally. If we can't last 1-2 months of a "light" quarantine.. that would say a lot about our society relative to the Asian countries. The main reason why they managed to control the virus over there (Japan, S. Korea, Singapore etc.) is because they actually have discipline and listen to authoritative figures. Part of what we're not dealing with in the west is that because of our loose social restrictions we're looking at much longer before we actually flatten the curve. Our politicians keep acting as if we're going to be able to lift these restrictions in a month or two but that would only be if we had started earlier and been stricter. You can be sure that this quarantine won't last more than 2 months because of economy and mental health to name a few. It's been a week here under lockdown and it's already annoying. I can't imagine this going for too long.
Then cases will just spike again, healthcare systems will be overwhelmed, people will die. Two months is the minimum and then you have to have a functional government capable of implementing preventative measures and proactively reorganizing society to accommodate these new conditions. That is what I've understood from the various things linked here thus far.
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Not only will the coming months be a massive indictment of both western social attitudes, but it will be a clear indictment of western leadership across the board. Pretty much every western nation (and every American state, left or right-leaning) is way behind the curve on this. Full-on lockdowns should have happened a couple weeks ago if we were going to truly try to stop the spread of this.
Complaining "but the economy!" when talking about these lockdowns is selfish and short-sighted. Other countries have committed to longer-term lockdowns without collapsing. Public health and survival is more important that short-term economic gain.
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On March 22 2020 10:00 JimmiC wrote:
The US is now 25 cases behind Spain and has passed Germany. They will likely have the most cases by the time it is all said and done.
Every thing I have read is that you simply can't stop the spread. You want to flatten the curve at a level that your health care system can handle. And I think there are a lot of Western countries that have done a good job. The US though, based on this handling they should just eliminate the republican party and have the dem split into Moderates and Progressives (or have more then two parties) because this is what happens when you elect a not very intelligent narcissist who thinks he "gut" is smarter than anyone else's brain.
The republican party is already gone. It's now the Trump Cult. A couple years ago I paid no attention at all to politics, and thought all politicians were the same. But now? I can see the difference.
Soon after Trump was elected I remember a headline similar to Trumps Victory The Last Stand of the Angry Old White Man or something like that. The GOP and R's know, this might be it for them. If it is a blue wave in November and Dems sweep, you think any of them (esp Trump) will accept the defeat? This virus is the first clusterfuck for US, the second is the election - no matter what happens it will be a shit storm.
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