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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On March 22 2020 15:41 TT1 wrote: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/22/coronavirus-latest-updates.html new cases are being reported in China.. It clearly states "imported" cases. Which they have been reporting for a week or so now. Please stop spreading false information without reading at least the whole article. | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 22 2020 12:04 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: What does that mean? Were you showing symptoms? Had it, but don't now? I had some viral illness e.g. flu/cold. Was kept off work out of an abundance of caution. I'm no virologist but I think it's safe to say I didn't have and am not a carrier | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18199 Posts
On March 22 2020 16:40 BlackJack wrote: I had some viral illness e.g. flu/cold. Was kept off work out of an abundance of caution. I'm no virologist but I think it's safe to say I didn't have and am not a carrier How is telling people with flu symptoms to stay home an "abundance" of caution. It sounds like the base minimum of caution. And even if it isn't COVID-19, do you think your co-workers wanted whatever virus you did happen to have? | ||
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Sharkies
Hong Kong92 Posts
On March 22 2020 13:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: I recall the EU heavily criticising him when he banned all travellers from the EU.Of course when the EU closed its own borders a few days later that faded away. As for the US having the most cases, people actually believe the official Chinese numbers? Please. Actually yes. The amount of unsubstantiated bias against China is just ridiculous frankly. Quote a single reliable source that has been able to poke issues in China's number. In contrast, I will direct you to WHO's report which praises China for its unprecedented large scale action to control the spread. On the other hand, a lot of data which people take as reliable without ever testing, is often flawed. Just look back at the 2009 H1N1 flu that originated from North America. A few years after the pandemic died down, researchers found that actual deaths were likely 15 times the recorded numbers back in 2009-2010 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3841239/). This is already happening in Northern Italy, where they have run out of hospital beds. As a result, elderly patients have passed away who in most likelihood had COVID19 but will not form part of the official statistics because Italy does not have the resources right now to be testing deceased patients. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-homes-insigh/uncounted-among-coronavirus-victims-deaths-sweep-through-italys-nursing-homes-idUSKBN2152V0 Again, to echo messages earlier in this forum thread: (a) Stop with the unsubstantiated bias and unfounded claims (b) for countries currently under strain, look to countries that have successfully controlled the outbreak to see if any lessons can be learned (although it is clear not all methods can be adopted like for like) (c) widespread discipline across the population is key to controlling the outbreak Good luck everyone and stay safe! | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On March 22 2020 12:35 opterown wrote: My state is just announced lockdown, rolling over the next 24 hours. How are you guys already in lockdown holding up? Any tips to stay sane? Look up what you're actually allowed to do and what not. In Germany lockdown is vastly different from Spain / Italy (yet). | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 22 2020 13:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: I recall the EU heavily criticising him when he banned all travellers from the EU.Of course when the EU closed its own borders a few days later that faded away. Trump unilaterally banned the entire EU, which was a bit of an asshole thing to do, and caused a lot of panic for some people, especially Americans travelling abroad. It could have been communicated better, or he could have given a notice to the block which is their nr 1 ally, (or was anyways). But that's still ok, crisis requires decisive action and all that, no time to be nice, right? But he exempted the UK, seemingly just to show that he favors that country's government over the EU. There isnt a single rational argument that could have been made, that at the time of the announcement, out of the 28 EU countries and 44 European countries UK would be the least likely to spread the disease to the US. 1. They were top 5 / Europe I believe as far as active cases go, with considerable number of deaths 2. There were other european countries with 0-100 confirmed cases and/or no deaths 3. Europeans could still travel to the US via the UK, so if you could explain away the first 2 points, it still defeats the purpose. I'd guess, no data, but i would guess that London was the nr 1 hub as far as inter-continental travel goes between NA and Europe. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Which in classic Trump style he did a couple of days later anyway. User was warned for this post. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On March 22 2020 08:01 Vivax wrote: Japan has a deeply ingrained culture of social cohesion. Singapore is nicely conform and all but they have punishments in place that I certainly don't want around here. Don't know much about South Korea. Either way I don't like that you are generalizing and saying we have this in the west because peeps were lazy and nonchalant. The reason we have this is imo because leadership reacted too late, and then reacted too harshly, so we're going into a scenario where supplies are hard to find, and you can bet that every newspaper and every politician will be saying "it wasn't us, it was the virus". And it will have worse consequences than the virus itself imo. Either way my presumable infection seems to have passed without a trace by now, might get tested next week. The "unpleasant tearing feeling in the lungs" described it rather well for me. Actually in Singapore, the government tells us to social distancing etc but on the ground I would say we're not fully practising it. Many still have gatherings, go to parks etc. Schools and businesses are still open. I'd say for us, what's was crucial was not so much the citizens complying with government's advisory, but the actual actions of the government. 1. Extensive contact tracing 2. Very early border controls 3. Quarantine measures for suspected cases, close contacts or overseas visitors 4. Fairly easy access to testing (and free) And to ensure people actually adhere to these measures, penalties are in place for those who breach it. 1. A Wuhan traveller who had the virus and recovered here (one of our first few cases) was criminally charged for lying (not forgetting, but actual lies) about her movements. 2. A permanent resident had his permanent residency revoked and forever banned from returning to Singapore for breaching the quarantine. 3. About 100 foreign labourers (usually construction industry) had their permits revoked and permanently banned from working here (I'd say we pay much higher and better welfare than neighbouring countries so it's a big opportunity loss). 4. The employers guilty of making them work during this period also had their access to these workers very much restricted. Mind you most of our hard/dirty labour here are done by foreigners because we Singaporeans think these jobs are beneath us and too low pay. So basically these companies are fucked finding new labour. Yea we have plenty of rubbish laws that the west like to laugh at (chewing gum fines, can't buy alcohol after 10pm from stores, gay sex is criminalised etc), but even then many of these laws are not even enforced at all. But when it comes to certain issues like this, the government means business and takes this super seriously. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23602 Posts
On March 22 2020 14:02 Mohdoo wrote: That's scary. This is going to get really bad  Not scary enough for those personally unaffected yet it seems. Don't know what people think desperate people are going to do, but I wouldn't bank on it being dying quietly in a corner. | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
quebec most likely locked down until the 1st of may | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 22 2020 17:46 Acrofales wrote: How is telling people with flu symptoms to stay home an "abundance" of caution. It sounds like the base minimum of caution. And even if it isn't COVID-19, do you think your co-workers wanted whatever virus you did happen to have? I don't know, would my cold/flu still be contagious to my coworkers a week after my symptoms stopped? CDC is recommending that HCP that are suspected to have COVID-19 but aren't tested can return to work 3 days after symptoms stop and 1 week after symptoms started. I'd call that the bare minimum. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
On March 22 2020 19:28 DucK- wrote: Actually in Singapore, the government tells us to social distancing etc but on the ground I would say we're not fully practising it. Many still have gatherings, go to parks etc. Schools and businesses are still open. I'd say for us, what's was crucial was not so much the citizens complying with government's advisory, but the actual actions of the government. 1. Extensive contact tracing 2. Very early border controls 3. Quarantine measures for suspected cases, close contacts or overseas visitors 4. Fairly easy access to testing (and free) And to ensure people actually adhere to these measures, penalties are in place for those who breach it. 1. A Wuhan traveller who had the virus and recovered here (one of our first few cases) was criminally charged for lying (not forgetting, but actual lies) about her movements. 2. A permanent resident had his permanent residency revoked and forever banned from returning to Singapore for breaching the quarantine. 3. About 100 foreign labourers (usually construction industry) had their permits revoked and permanently banned from working here (I'd say we pay much higher and better welfare than neighbouring countries so it's a big opportunity loss). 4. The employers guilty of making them work during this period also had their access to these workers very much restricted. Mind you most of our hard/dirty labour here are done by foreigners because we Singaporeans think these jobs are beneath us and too low pay. So basically these companies are fucked finding new labour. Yea we have plenty of rubbish laws that the west like to laugh at (chewing gum fines, can't buy alcohol after 10pm from stores, gay sex is criminalised etc), but even then many of these laws are not even enforced at all. But when it comes to certain issues like this, the government means business and takes this super seriously. In my opinion Singapore is able to administer effectively because its small. Its smaller than Berlin itself both in area and populace. The size is in my opinion much bigger factor than any cultural trait. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Being a tiny island with limited access points is a huge advantage (see also Taiwan, HK), but it's clear that their aggressive authoritarian measures coupled with a generally high level of social compliance were critical as well. SK is still the only country that seems to have crushed it in a way the west could emulate. I'm still not sure how they were able to roll out such comprehensive test-and-trace while the rest of the first world is turning away people with symptoms left and right. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4388 Posts
It's both good and bad for me. I'm a casual on a wage, still have an income while lots of people don't anymore, plus the boss is happy. On the negative side it's absolutely exhausting and my chances of catching this thing are pretty much 100% from the grubs coming in to stock up on goon. I'm not afraid of getting sick but I would hate to be the one to pass it onto someone who then died. Spending as much time as possible just listening to the regular punters talk, heaps of them are losing their jobs or incomes. I hope it's helping them in some small way. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
I'm actually surprised by this, considering that so far it looked like everyones solidarity ended at their own borders. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23602 Posts
www.governor.ny.gov https://wnbf.com/governor-cuomo-tells-feds-enact-defense-protection-act-now-stop-state-bidding-war-for-supplies/ | ||
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