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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44375 Posts
On October 31 2021 01:21 Mohdoo wrote: Do you work in some sort of trade skill or physical labor? My experience has been that trade skills and physical labor has crazy high vax skepticism Why do you think that might be? Perhaps a correlation between those jobs and being either less educated or more conservative? Not sure, just wondering. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4164 Posts
On October 31 2021 01:21 Mohdoo wrote: Do you work in some sort of trade skill or physical labor? My experience has been that trade skills and physical labor has crazy high vax skepticism We're a group of poker players, mostly online and some live. | ||
Falling
Canada11355 Posts
You also have the people (like we do here) who think slippery slope is a good arguement and not a logical fallacy. If you want a laugh youtube mandatory seatbelt videos. To be a bit of contrarian- nevermind the communist bit, but perhaps they have something of a point considering those self-same seatbelt laws will were used to justify mandatory vaccines- perhaps on this very forum. It's of course a category error to equate the seatbelt laws where you must take an action- flying along at highspeed and inaction- you must simply be alive. But if false equivocations isn't stopping people right here right now to justify state enforcement, you best believe every mandatory move of the present will be used as precedent for future justification. "You were okay with restrictions in 2020, removing people from their jobs etc (+4000 in BC). This is more of the same five years later." | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
It's understandable why people whose livelihoods depend on physical fitness would be more wary of changes in their *ahem* bodily fluids. And maybe they're also confident that they're fit enough to ward of pesky viruses. This includes the average workmen. Again, not saying that they are right to be worried. But just to shed light on their (possible) thought process leading to hesitancy. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Looks like I'll be losing a few key coworkers with minimal notice. Not a whole lot of them since vaccination was already so high - many more are quitting due to just regular old lockdown-driven burnout or for more money - but it's definitely a morale and productivity hit. Easy to write off as "a small percentage" if that's the agenda, but definitely the last thing we need right now is to lose more people. Wonder how bad it'll be in places where 5%+, an actually significant part of the workforce, decides not to vaccinate. Guess we'll find out soon enough. Don't see anyone other than select internet trolls being happy about this turn of events, though. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4164 Posts
On October 31 2021 11:08 Falling wrote: To be a bit of contrarian- nevermind the communist bit, but perhaps they have something of a point considering those self-same seatbelt laws will were used to justify mandatory vaccines- perhaps on this very forum. It's of course a category error to equate the seatbelt laws where you must take an action- flying along at highspeed and inaction- you must simply be alive. But if false equivocations isn't stopping people right here right now to justify state enforcement, you best believe every mandatory move of the present will be used as precedent for future justification. "You were okay with restrictions in 2020, removing people from their jobs etc (+4000 in BC). This is more of the same five years later." Don't worry, you don't need to remove people from jobs (if your goal is to get people to quit). Even vaccinated healthcare workers have been quitting in droves because they're overworked by having to handle 10 patients at a time for weeks and months. See, this is what some people don't understand. Some people think that when they're being treated in a certain way, that it's all about them, when it's really not. It's about making things work and fair for everyone. The pandemic affects us all, and burying our heads in the sand isn't gonna cut it. Everyone has rights, that includes the vaccinated. There's no two-class distinction in this regard, but some people are too self-centered to understand that. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44375 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44375 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On November 02 2021 04:53 mierin wrote: Weird, in NC at least (USA here) we can't get boosters unless we're over 65 or have severe health issues. Regardless I'll probably get mine as soon as I'm allowed. Check the CDC list of "higher risk" conditions. A gigantic amount of people qualify that way. BMI above 25, drinking, smoking, asthma, lots of stuff gets you in. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
Looking at the first 3 dose vaccine schedule I found on google though: https://www.gardasil9.com/adolescent/hpv-vaccine-schedule/ The HPV vaccine 3 dose schedule is 2 months/6 months after 1st dose, so covid vaccines might wind up getting to around that schedule in the long run. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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teeel141
93 Posts
On November 02 2021 06:01 LegalLord wrote: I'll wait until a variant-specific booster myself. I'm not in any particular risk group and two-dose is more than enough to avoid the worst consequences of getting the corvid. Seems frivolous to get it without a good need, really. Variant specific wont work any different for you because of antigenic sin. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On November 02 2021 06:10 teeel141 wrote: Variant specific wont work any different for you because of antigenic sin. What is antigenic sin? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3188 Posts
It’s an obscure immunology phenomenon where having immunity to a related disease can actually make your immune response worse, because your body tries to use its learned immunity even though those antibodies don’t work very well. Thing is, it’s predicated on antigen drift happening in the first place, which may or may not happen. Then it assumes this obscure phenomenon actually happens, which it might or might not. This *could* be a problem variant-specific boosters will hit, or it could not! That’s drug development. TL;DR: File “antigenic sin” with “antibody-dependent enhancement” or any of the other science terms anti-vaxxers found googling for anything that could semi-plausibly support vaccines being bad. And like those terms, don’t believe it’s happening until there’s evidence it’s happening. | ||
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Falling
Canada11355 Posts
I'm not asking for no rules- just that informed consent remains as such- not a bludgeon where government decides which jobs a person can have based on their medical history. You cant in good faith be asking the government to put rules on businesses, because you are against goverment overreach! Accusations of bad faith arguments arrive too frequently on these forums. One of the markers of our modern democracies is that it is not simply majority rule. Limitations are put into place specifically to protect minority groups lest there be tyranny of the majority. Having said that, all of the mandates have come from the government- whatever businesses have done on their own is a small drop in the bucket and not at all what people have been worried about so I don't know why you are bringing it up. As for BC and Conservatives... 1) There is no analog to the Conservatives in BC provincial politics 2) That election you are referring to is the very one I voted against the Conservatives- religious freedom is one of the many reasons I was upset with my party, so one can actually argue consistently down the line. 3) To the extent that turbans was a thing- it seems to me it has been and remains a Quebec thing. I am not aware of it being an issue in BC at all. In short you are pulling a whataboutism that I don't think has much relevance in BC politics 2017 or 2021. | ||
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