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Indoor ticketed sporting events
Indoor concerts
Indoor theatre/dance/symphony events
Restaurants (indoor and patio dining)
Nightclubs
Casinos
Movie theatres
Fitness centres/gyms (excluding youth recreational sport)
Businesses offering indoor high-intensity group exercise activities
Organized indoor events (eg. weddings, parties, conferences, meetings, workshops)
Discretionary organized indoor group recreational classes and activities

On August 24 2021 09:37 JimmiC wrote:
Look at that a bunch of people in here were worried about air ventilation and science to rescue with a DIY. For those extra concerned you can make them and bring them into the classrooms yourselves!

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2021/08/17/diy-air-filters-for-classrooms-experts-are-enthusiastic-and-a-citizen-scientist-makes-it-easy

On August 23 2021 02:13 JimmiC wrote:
The 3 part is one I disagree with because having recovered from covid has shown very little protection against delta, but that was not really known at the time, im curious if it will change.

The bolded part is extremely hard to execute well where being vaccinated is super simple. We know how effecitive vaccination is at keeping people out of the hospital and morgue. A couple of stats previously posted from southern US states. 50% under 40 getting admited to hospital, 28% admitted under 17, 96% hospitalized not vaccinated. The vaccination rates of the older high risk groups are actually decent which is why the % skew so much differently then before.

On August 24 2021 15:51 Nikon wrote:


If naturtal immunity offers no protection against Delta, I'm sceptical that people that have vaccinated previously would have better protection either. We see it every year during flu season, where reimmunisations happen. But that's another conversation.

As for the 96% of hospitalisations are non-vaccinated, I'm wondering if you have statistics on how many of those 96% have underlying medical conditions that put them at risk, because I'm willing to bet that 90% of them are in a risk group.

On August 24 2021 17:38 Magic Powers wrote:


Commonly used FFP2 masks without filter do not cause any breathing issues, certainly not the ones sold in drug stores. That's because without a filter they're not perfectly sealed (more accurately: very poorly sealed, or not sealed at all), so the air can escape through various openings at once. This is also why that type of mask is used to protect others, and not yourself (although there's a minor level of protection for the wearer, too). It wraps around your face more than a surgical mask does and the material is better, so it blocks droplets very effectively despite having several openings.
I've talked to a pharmacist about masks. The recommendation from one of them is to wear an FFP2 mask for an absolute maximum of 8 hours (not recommended, only a few hours is better) before disposing of it. It can be reused if it hasn't been worn for long by hanging it up to dry (ideally after treating it with a few sprays of an alcohol solution) and waiting a few days while cycling through fresh masks.
To the 75 minute limit and 30 minute breaks: that recommendation has been lifted in Germany. You're free to choose for yourself if you can wear a mask for a longer duration or not. The medical community is not up in arms about people wearing masks for too long, and it's because there's no threat to the health from masking up for a long time.
What you may be thinking of are masks with a filter. Those do in fact make breathing more difficult, because they're supposed to be sealed. They're also not generally recommended though, unless for example you're cleaning up in a hazardous environment.

From my own experience I can say the biggest problem about masking up is not health or money - it's actually communication. I have more trouble understanding what people say or feel because I get almost no facial clues.
The mask itself is not an issue for me and it never really was (with the exception of low quality masks giving me rashes on the ears). I can wear it for several hours without any problems, I can even go running with it. As I said mask quality has improved dramatically. In fact in regards to physical exercise I consider FFP2 masks to be a whole lot better (compared to surgical masks), because the more rigid material prevents it better from sealing around my mouth during heavy breathing.

Lastly, and this might be the most important point: it makes absolutely no sense to argue against FFP2 but in favor of surgical. In terms of comfort or breathability they're very similar, but the protection level is very significantly greater with FFP2.

Edit:
Here's also a fact checking link in regards to claims about mask efficacy and recommendations. The guidelines actually state that up to 8 hours shifts with just a single FFP2 mask are fine, so I'm actually on the more cautious side while the experts quite clearly aren't as concerned.

https://correctiv.org/faktencheck/2021/01/27/schutz-vor-corona-oder-risiko-fuenf-behauptungen-ueber-ffp2-masken-im-faktencheck/

On August 24 2021 16:20 112StaminaX wrote:
i caught it in may, used to run triathlons, now i can barely breate after 30 mins of ANY of the drills/training sessions i used to do. Just thought id share. I ran a sub 20 min 5k, cant get lower than 26 and believe me it feels like ive never ran as hard. im not a happy camper right now.

On August 24 2021 16:37 Amui wrote:
Vaccination has been shown to provide a stronger immune response than natural infection. Given that you need two shots for good protection against Delta, it stands to reason that a prior infection would be roughly similar to only getting the first shot, which is only minorly effective.

On August 24 2021 16:37 Amui wrote:
Given that the entire population can be divided into un/partial/fully vaccinated, it's fairly safe to say that pre-existing conditions will be pretty equally divided between the groups. If anything, those with preexisting conditions would be more likely to seek out vaccines to try to protect themselves.

On August 24 2021 16:37 Amui wrote:
I'm still going to use Ontario as a guideline because they release good datasets, are basically 100% Delta, and the percentages haven't changed over the last few weeks. For fully vaccinated people, you are

86% less likely to be infected
92% less likely to be hospitalized
95% less likely to be in the ICU

There are zero non-medical related reasons to not vaccination.