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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 02 2021 15:17 HolydaKing wrote: I think Russia will have more trouble than the UK because of that, and the numbers are already showing that as well. We had pushed infection rates near zero already and now with the football tourists returning from Russia it's welcome to the start of the year. So dumb... | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18572 Posts
On July 02 2021 23:52 JimmiC wrote: Sure, but few consider the psychological effect of having friends and love ones get sick and dying. I'm not sure exactly how they would measure it, but I bet being shut in on and off for 18-24 months is going to end up much less harmful phytologically than say what happened in India or Brazil. The UK has a high vaccination rate which is going to help with that a ton. So if you want to compare to it alpha in just "deadliness" or whatever you have to take out all those people. Also, sad but true of each wave and just how this things works is Hospitalizations lag weeks behind infections. The US is also in a unique position because not only has the total vaccination rates slowed dramatically but because of it being so political on whether or not people get it those vaccinated are not remotely evenly distributed throughout the country. For example Massachusettes is up over 70% for 1 does and Missisippi is at 36%. The good news is the most vulnerable have been well vaccinated (over 80 % even in Mississippi, 100% in other states) so death rates even if Delta is "worse" should not be as high. I am sorry its hard but people die. Being shut in for 2 years has long time consequences on your psyche and growth (especially the younger you are) as a person | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
https://globalnews.ca/news/7970457/bc-schools-unlikely-covid-transmission-sites/ Blood samples taken from 1,556 school staff showed 2.3 per cent tested positive for antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19, mirroring the number of positive tests from a matching group of donors who did not work in schools. It might be different if the community has very high infection rates/prevalence rates, but in a managed environment the rate of spread is not extreme. In most cases in schools, chains of transmission were 1:1 or 1:2 at worst, which meant the small risk of covid in schools was balanced by the massive benefits from social interaction. I was on the boat of high schools should be remote with elementary in-person, but seems like we got away with all schools in person, and barring levels of spread where closing schools makes an appreciable impact in how much spread occurs, school should remain in session. Closing other places like bars/gyms makes a lot more sense than schools in most cases and results in fewer long-term consequences. In BC we're mostly open now. I'm not participating in organized sports for a while, but everything else is on the table now. My friend group is all first dosed and by the end of July, we'll all have second doses and be in the clear. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4379 Posts
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html A new modelling study published in the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control’s (ECDC) medical journal has concluded that the dangers presented to younger people by the AstraZeneca vaccine are greater than the benefits. The study, published in the weekly edition of the Eurosurveillance journal, models four months of a vaccine distribution strategy in France involving Vaxzevria (commonly called AstraZeneca) from May 2021, and concludes that using the vaccine on the entire adult population there would avert 10 deaths from Covid among 18-39-year-olds, but would be associated with 21 deaths from blood clotting in the same age grouping over the same time period. So vaccinating the entire French 18-39 population with AZ would save 10 lives due to COVID.Can we calm the fearmongering a little? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22069 Posts
On July 03 2021 22:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Yes?New French study claims the risk of 18-39 year olds (In France) dying from blood clots related to the AZ vaccine is double the lives saved from that age range from Covid due to the vaccine. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html So vaccinating the entire French 18-39 population with AZ would save 10 lives due to COVID.Can we calm the fearmongering a little? Risk of blood clots is why most countries have stopped using AZ. What fearmongering are you even talking about? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On July 03 2021 23:05 HolydaKing wrote: Idd, what fearmongering? Saying that vaccination isn't important for the young population would be incredibly wrong as there is the risk that a so called "super mutation" is coming in the future due to the virus being able to learn, that is one that the current vaccines can't handle. And that would be a major setback. We should try to eliminate the virus as much as possible. Not to mention that reducing the danger of covid for younger people to the amount of deaths is asinine. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45238 Posts
On July 03 2021 22:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: New French study claims the risk of 18-39 year olds (In France) dying from blood clots related to the AZ vaccine is double the lives saved from that age range from Covid due to the vaccine. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html So vaccinating the entire French 18-39 population with AZ would save 10 lives due to COVID.Can we calm the fearmongering a little? What about sickness that doesn't lead to death, per se? Emergency room visits? Multi-organ failure? What about plenty of adults in their 20s and 30s passing on covid to older people and killing them? I feel like you're implying that if a person doesn't literally die, then their experience with covid isn't a big deal. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Haven't heard anyone complain about that yet. We should definitely dedicate more resources to better anti baby pill research as there's little improvement in the last decades | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18199 Posts
On July 04 2021 13:42 xM(Z wrote: so everyone who died from covid was killed by someone else ... and that's the chinese? Without actually agreeing, let's say "yes" for the sake of argument. Why do you ask and where do you want to take this love of thought? | ||
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Slydie
1929 Posts
On July 03 2021 22:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: New French study claims the risk of 18-39 year olds (In France) dying from blood clots related to the AZ vaccine is double the lives saved from that age range from Covid due to the vaccine. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html So vaccinating the entire French 18-39 population with AZ would save 10 lives due to COVID.Can we calm the fearmongering a little? That is likely the logic used by the countries who stopped using AZ, and they know a lot more about vaccines than any of us. Personally, I would take the AZ anyway, and my main reason is the "number sports" with mass testing and Covid cases preventing us from going back to normal life. Then, there is the risk of infecting others, new mutations and getting sick myself. That wasn't an issue, though, I finally got my first shot of Pfizer, a slightly sore arm and that is it. It was amazingly well organized too, with QR codes for ID and practically no waiting time. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
In which order doesn't matter. But everyone who got AZ as a first dose can now get any mRNA vaccine as a second dose. The European medical agency considers the benefits of a vaccination to outweigh the risks. What I find striking though is that proponents of opening up the economy are sometimes against the AZ vaccination because of the risks associated. That opening up is a far greater risk for many others and the vaccine bringing a safer route to opening doesn't seem to chime with their worldview. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
On July 04 2021 15:07 Acrofales wrote: well, it can't be yes because then you go into victimism. your argument is driven by a victims' mentality(personality trait) which defeats itself(you're unreceptive to evidence to the contrary).Without actually agreeing, let's say "yes" for the sake of argument. Why do you ask and where do you want to take this love of thought? and it can't be no, because then, people who had covid and spread it around, didn't actually kill anyone(life happened) so you have with no argument to begin with; culpability goes out of the window. so you're left with this in-between shit, neither yes nor no, that needs to be negotiated between affected parties, reasonable adults, competent authorities ... etc; but you're incapable of negotiating life because no one taught you how to nor told you that you have to, in order to get along with ... other people. rejecting that conundrum, you fall back to your victim instincts and go with 'yes', then force the world to embrace/accept your take as the only reasonable one. now, if that's you, wouldn't people have objective reasons to ignore your take?; because after all, it comes from weakness. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18199 Posts
On July 04 2021 20:45 xM(Z wrote: well, it can't be yes because then you go into victimism. your argument is driven by a victims' mentality(personality trait) which defeats itself(you're unreceptive to evidence to the contrary). and it can't be no, because then, people who had covid and spread it around, didn't actually kill anyone(life happened) so you have with no argument to begin with; culpability goes out of the window. so you're left with this in-between shit, neither yes nor no, that needs to be negotiated between affected parties, reasonable adults, competent authorities ... etc; but you're incapable of negotiating life because no one taught you how to nor told you that you have to, in order to get along with ... other people. rejecting that conundrum, you fall back to your victim instincts and go with 'yes', then force the world to embrace/accept your take as the only reasonable one. now, if that's you, wouldn't people have objective reasons to ignore your take?; because after all, it comes from weakness. Aren't you a bit old to finally discover that not everything is black or white? I guess... better late than never? As to what you conclude afterwards, I don't really get. We can both attribute people being willfully negligent causing others to get sick if they refuse the vaccine, and take blame ourselves for not taking the virus seriously at the start of 2020 AND ALSO blame China for not doing their bit in stopping it from spreading and informing the world in time. None of those are mutually exclusive. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Probably there's some nuanced way to justify adopting different appetite of risks in both situations, but there's a strong hint of inconsistency and hypocrisy to the general public. Point is, public health policies can be quite complex. | ||
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