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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slydie
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I think I read that differently than you. What I'm reading it saying is that with one dose and previously infected you are more protected against the variants than people who just have the one dose. But I don't see that you shouldn't still get your second dose. You shouldn't get it if it doesn't give you any extra protection and vaccine supplies is a problem. This is one of the areas where "safety first" should not be applied, leaving someone else unvaccinated is not safe. I have seen talk about triple dosis and revaccination, but nobody knows what we will actually need. My gut tells me our immune system will adapt to this new threat faster than we fear, but it will take a while before science can confirm it... | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ozD5-ebf7txIGQa0wpbVVXkrM3Nil04Quws5OUhOSVA/edit#gid=0 Maybe worth a look to see how far distribution has come for now. | ||
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Slydie
1987 Posts
On May 07 2021 07:57 JimmiC wrote: I agree, which is why Canada is delaying second doses, but nothing in that article indicates that second is not needed or better, just that having it and having 1 dose is better than just 1 dose. That would be great if your gut is right! My gut's Covid track record has some ups and downs, but it should not be dismissed outright: -The initial number if cases could be in China used as a pointer for how it would turn out in the rest of the world. (They absolutely could not). -The 4% death rate it mentioned early was exaggerated. (Absolutely was). -The first wave in Spain was enough to make the country safe from following serious outbreak. (Absolutely wasn't). -Opening up for inland travel would cause a surge more than anything else. (It did). -The extensive use if face masks in Spain would not save Spain from following waves, and would bare be hardly make an impact on the numbers because of wrong and unnecessary use. (Correct). -After they could not mandate more use of face masks, Spanish politicians had to turn to more expensive measures which actually work. (They did). -The 3rd wave along with vaccines will finally make Spain safe from following serious outbreaks, also from mutations. (Hopefully, it looks promising). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Imeh Tusalis
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speakerbox
Canada453 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 10 2021 13:25 speakerbox wrote: stoked to get the jab boys! Same here. Scheduled for next Monday which is a couple weeks ahead of what I was expecting (Yay for living in a high transmission area apparently). Yeah I have to drive like half an hour to the location with slots, but it's still pretty surreal how fast the rollout the last month or so has been. A month ago I barely knew anybody who had been vaccinated, and my medical field friends with doses, and all of a sudden it's literally everybody in my friend circle and family and my coworkers who been vaccinated or have shots scheduled. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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emperorchampion
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maybenexttime
Poland5838 Posts
On May 12 2021 00:08 emperorchampion wrote: Recently moved to the UK, was expecting to get vaccinated soon-ish with how well the progress was going at the time. They're still on 40+ over here, probably won't be vaccinated for another month. Feels like picking a line at the grocery store and always ending up with the one that takes the longest It's because the take-up is very high. People my age are getting their jabs in Poland, but that's only because the hesitancy is high. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Here in the US, there is still a lot of work to be done with hard to reach people and vaccine procrastinators before bothering with vaccine hesitant people. I know people who are willing to get the vaccine but keep saying they'll do it later. Our daily vaccination pace is now down something like 40% from our high. I know Canada is planning second doses 3-4 months after the first dose but I'm optimistic it's not going to take that long. Not with roughly 10% of the US population and how much surplus we have now. Even with kids being vaccinated in the upcoming months, I don't think we need to reserve that many. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On May 12 2021 04:10 maybenexttime wrote: It's because the take-up is very high. People my age are getting their jabs in Poland, but that's only because the hesitancy is high. That's fair, it's just frustrating. | ||
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Slydie
1987 Posts
Both are rather small countries, and none of them were ever close to having the hospitals strained, so they can "afford" to drop the vaccines with the most side effects (AZ and Janssen). They do have alternatives. The Pfizer/B vaccine apparently does NOT need ajustments nor a 3rd shot to protect against the current mutations. I have to say that one seems like an extraordinary technological feat, and someone should get a Nobel prize! I will look up sources later if needed. | ||
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warding
Portugal2396 Posts
On May 12 2021 23:36 Slydie wrote: I have to say that one seems like an extraordinary technological feat, and someone should get a Nobel prize! Perhaps these two: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karikó https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Weissman | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
The reason Pfizer (and most others I assume) work so well against variants from what I've read is that covid binds to a specific receptor in the human body (ACE2). Pretty much, unless it's a separate disease, it has to be a specific shape (within reason) in order to bind to that receptor. The human immune system is really good at recognizing shapes which are "close", and therefore if it's good against one covid strain, it's generally going to have at least some level of efficacy against all others. MRNA creators are definitely on the shortlist for a Nobel Prize. If we didn't have that tech, we'd be looking at AZ/J&J and looking at education drives around blood clot symptoms. 6 days until I get my shot - a couple weeks after that I can stop caring as much about other people with noses sticking out of masks, and just focus on doing my part correctly. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
Here is a German news article from March: > https://www.fr.de/wissen/corona-astrazeneca-impfstoff-coronavirus-impfung-nebenwirkungen-thrombosen-blutungen-covid-19-news-90242751.html It takes the vaccinations in GB as a metric. Because until the end of February they vaccinated their people with about 10mio Pfizer and AZ! (so 20mio). "Feedback" of probably vaccine induced maladies (how can we tell if some "effect" was really caused by the vaccine? we are talking many very old people!) were for Pfizer about 33k, AZ 54k. So yeah, AZ had more. But if those numbers are the calculations for "dangerous drug, don't use!" and "get them the nobel prize" I'm going for Sputnik... | ||
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