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On January 04 2021 06:46 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2021 06:37 BlackJack wrote:On January 04 2021 05:13 Nevuk wrote:One of my sister's (a PCP) nurses is an antivaxxer. Apparently can't fire a nurse in the US for refusing vaccines (she won't even take the flu vaccine, apparently, so the covid one is somewhat out of the question, though my sister said she'll try to persuade her). The nurse also got a newborn and is refusing some of the vaccines that mothers typically get for after giving birth? I can't recall what they were. Not a full blown antivaxxer, just doesn't want to take most of them. On the positive side, influenza cases in my sister's county are down 98% from last year. Also, Florida is apparently NOT giving health care workers the vaccine first. They're prioritizing 65+ residents. (They say they're doing frontline workers as well, but it's florida : who knows how they're defining that. Healthcare workers are rather pissed). Florida's decision to vaccinate seniors first causes distribution 'chaos' https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-decision-vaccinate-seniors-first-causes-distribution-chaos-n1252615US is at something like 10% of what was planned for vaccines : 2.3 or something million and 20 million was planned before January 1st. Those ambitions were later sharply reduced and the Secretary of Health and Human Services said 20 million would be vaccinated by the end of 2020. In the end, the country didn’t even get close to that number. As of Thursday, less than 3 million people had received the first dose of the vaccine, out of almost 12.5 million that had been distributed, according to the data from the Centers for Disease Control and prevention. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/01/concern-increases-slow-rollout-covid-vaccines.htmlhttps://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations Florida absolutely gave their first vaccines to healthcare workers. Even the link you provided says as much. But while DeSantis and his administration have taken on a "coordinating role" and made sure that the first doses went to front-line health care workers and nursing home residents There's a difference between frontline workers and essential workers. I believe the federal government has advised giving the 2nd phase of vaccines to essential workers, which are teachers, grocery store workers, etc. Some states like Texas and Florida have broken away from that advice and say they are going to vaccinate the seniors first. Both strategies have merit, in my opinion. They're only doing "front-line" health workers. IE, those who are triaging covid patients etc. The average health care worker who isn't supposed to be working on covid patients is back of the line. I'm noting that health care workers in the state are extremely upset about this: they feel that they're higher risk than the seniors for spread, and just because they're not front-line doesn't mean they won't get exposed in their normal line of work (which is also true of essential workers, which are who they would normally get grouped with for priority).
I actually completely agree that anyone who is working in close contact with people in high-risk groups or Covid patients should be a very high priority. From what I know about the subject, the mental stress of both catching the virus yourself and indirectly killing your clients can be absolutely unbearable, and that is on top of the measures they take both at work and privately, which in general are much stricter than what the general population do.
The last these heroes need is stigmatisation and collective blame for the mishaps that are bound to happen.
Especially early on, the lack of routines and guidelines was a major problem in many countries, but in my opinion, that was more of a of management problem, including private residents not hiring sufficiently qualified workers to save money.
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On January 04 2021 06:46 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2021 06:37 BlackJack wrote:On January 04 2021 05:13 Nevuk wrote:One of my sister's (a PCP) nurses is an antivaxxer. Apparently can't fire a nurse in the US for refusing vaccines (she won't even take the flu vaccine, apparently, so the covid one is somewhat out of the question, though my sister said she'll try to persuade her). The nurse also got a newborn and is refusing some of the vaccines that mothers typically get for after giving birth? I can't recall what they were. Not a full blown antivaxxer, just doesn't want to take most of them. On the positive side, influenza cases in my sister's county are down 98% from last year. Also, Florida is apparently NOT giving health care workers the vaccine first. They're prioritizing 65+ residents. (They say they're doing frontline workers as well, but it's florida : who knows how they're defining that. Healthcare workers are rather pissed). Florida's decision to vaccinate seniors first causes distribution 'chaos' https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-decision-vaccinate-seniors-first-causes-distribution-chaos-n1252615US is at something like 10% of what was planned for vaccines : 2.3 or something million and 20 million was planned before January 1st. Those ambitions were later sharply reduced and the Secretary of Health and Human Services said 20 million would be vaccinated by the end of 2020. In the end, the country didn’t even get close to that number. As of Thursday, less than 3 million people had received the first dose of the vaccine, out of almost 12.5 million that had been distributed, according to the data from the Centers for Disease Control and prevention. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/01/concern-increases-slow-rollout-covid-vaccines.htmlhttps://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations Florida absolutely gave their first vaccines to healthcare workers. Even the link you provided says as much. But while DeSantis and his administration have taken on a "coordinating role" and made sure that the first doses went to front-line health care workers and nursing home residents There's a difference between frontline workers and essential workers. I believe the federal government has advised giving the 2nd phase of vaccines to essential workers, which are teachers, grocery store workers, etc. Some states like Texas and Florida have broken away from that advice and say they are going to vaccinate the seniors first. Both strategies have merit, in my opinion. They're only doing "front-line" health workers. IE, those who are triaging covid patients etc. The average health care worker who isn't supposed to be working on covid patients is back of the line. I'm noting that health care workers in the state are extremely upset about this: they feel that they're higher risk than the seniors for spread, and just because they're not front-line doesn't mean they won't get exposed in their normal line of work (which is also true of essential workers, which are who they would normally get grouped with for priority).
I think the distinction here is Hospital-HCW vs non-hospital-HCW, i.e. outpatient doctor's offices. While I know that hospital healthcare workers are being broadly vaccinated, I can't say I have any firsthand knowledge about healthcare workers that don't work in hospitals. From a distribution standpoint it's easier to vaccinate the employees of a hospital - they can receive a shipment of vaccines, have the freezers to store it, have the staff to give the injections, etc. After that it gets complicated. Should doctors that are primarily using telephone/Zoom calls to see patients get vaccinated? Should psychologists get vaccinated? Should dentists? Personally I think any healthcare worker that are regularly seeing patients face to face should get the vaccines first because the #1 priority should be the maximize the total output of healthcare provided to everyone.
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On January 04 2021 02:44 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2021 00:50 Artisreal wrote:On January 03 2021 21:20 Magic Powers wrote:On January 03 2021 19:59 Artisreal wrote:
That's some conjecture.
Your post is really, really bad.
You take single incidents to discredit the incredible burden that our health service staff shoulders right now, for the umpteenth month.
That disregard is shameful. A single incident? This exact thing also happened recently in a retirement home in Belgium. I'm seeing a pattern. The rate of asymptomatic transmissions is very high. Healthcare workers should have known this by September. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-research-adds-growing-evidence-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19-n1240708A later study published in November confirmed this. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33141862/Celebrating can be done in various ways that would be considered much safer. It may not provide for the most relaxed atmosphere, but it's better than risking a further spread. Hospitals are already enough of a danger zone for covid-19, so why enhance the risk any further? Personally I wouldn't be able to cheer while knowing unprotected/untested staff is present. There are countless people in this world who have the same burden as any nurse. By September 28th, around 1700 healthcare workers - over 200 of which were nurses - had died from covid-19. This is likely an underestimate, and about 10% of all covid-19 deaths were estimated to be made up of healthcare workers. The blame mostly went towards governments and employers. Apparently partial blame can now also be put on healthcare workers themselves. These are professionals we're talking about, not people who lack basic understanding of medical practices. The following is a quote from a few months ago regarding worker safety. “These deaths were avoidable and unnecessary due to government and employer willful inaction," said Zenei Cortez, R.N., a president of NNU, in a statement. "Nurses and health care workers were forced to work without personal protective equipment they needed to do their job safely. It is immoral and unconscionable that they lost their lives. Our state and federal governments must require hospitals and other health care employers to publicly report infection rates and deaths of their workers. We have the right to a safe workplace under the Occupational Safety and Health Act. Information is a part of safety. But some employers are not telling nurses when they have been exposed or who has been infected. This is irresponsible and dangerous for nurses, health care workers, and patients.” https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/report-how-many-u-s-healthcare-workers-have-died-from-covid-19-contracted-jobhttps://www.icn.ch/news/icn-confirms-1500-nurses-have-died-covid-19-44-countries-and-estimates-healthcare-worker-covidThey were demanding better safety, yet some of them apparently don't care for safety when it's Christmas time? Does the virus go on holidays while Santa brings his presents? I should've asked this before posting, my mistake. Please correct me, because I hope I'm wrong. You blame healthcare staff for high covid numbers? No, I blame them for adding to the numbers despite their medical expertise. It's bad enough that many people don't follow simple rules, especially when they're old enough to have learned discipline in life. But most people aren't medically trained, and some have been misled, so they can be forgiven to an extent. Knowing that even healthcare professionals - who have no excuse for it - also display such behavior (and make excuses for it when they do) is disheartening. It implies that some of our collective efforts go to waste due to very easily avoidable human failure - and not just from a few lone individuals, but whole groups of them. And that after many of their colleagues (rightfully) complained about poor working conditions. Belgium, Los Angeles, what other places will we hear from next? What message are they sending to us and to their colleagues around the world?
The idea that some kind of "medical expertise" is needed to understand a concept like Germ Theory is ridiculous. I learned that stuff in elementary school.
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Meanwhile, in vaccine rollout world:
- The UK is already administering the Astrazeneca vaccine, while spacing the two doses up to 12 weeks apart. The goal is to jab as many people as possible to try to contain the spread - they're under heavy pressure due to the new strain. 1.4% of the population has been immunized, with the goal of reaching 2 million vaccinations per week. If they manage to reach this on average in Q1, and they should have the available doses to reach this or more, that means they'll have vaccinated 38% of the population by the end of March.
- Meanwhile, Israel has already vaccinated 12.5% of the population (as of 2nd Jan), making it likely they'll reach some sort of herd immunity by end of March. It'll be interesting to see how their curve behaves in January: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/. It's likely that by the end of the month all the elderly and at-risk populations will be vaccinated. Will death rates plummet before infections?
- The US has vaccinated some 4M people, way below the 20M target. Biden says he wants to vaccinate 100M people in his first 100 days in office (not personally I hope). That will probably mean the US will also be close to 30% of the population vaccinated by end of March.
- Fortress Europe! Next in line to get absolutely smashed by the new variant from the UK, it seems we have all hands on deck to make sure we're dead last in vaccinating people. The 200 Million order from Pfizer is said to be fully delivered by September, which means a cool 22 million doses per month from the only approved vaccine in the EU. We're also making sure we don't delay second doses, so we should be on target to vaccinate 2.5% of our population per month! That means nearly 8% of the population vaccinated by end of March. But worry not, BioNTech requested the EU to allow using 6 doses instead of five from each vial, as is allowed in the UK, US, Israel or Switzerland. That would allow us instead to vaccinate 3% of the population per month, bringing down the time necessary to reach herd immunity from vaccinations to only two years!
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Vaccination schedule in Canada also makes me kinda sad, even if it is well ahead of many other countries. We've only gotten like 0.4% so far. It's not until well into the double digit % vaccination rates that the virus will start to fade, so there's a long road ahead.
More than half of Canadians live in the 10 largest cities, and probably like 80% in the top 20, so I really don't think difficulty of distribution is a particularly good excuse. A single pallet on air freight can probably hold ten thousand doses(maybe half that if it's the Pfizer one due to insulation), and a single flight can hold like 10-20 pallets. Should be comfortably able to get to anywhere in NA within 24 hours of leaving Pfizer or Modernas factory.
This is more a gripe about country-level allocation though. We're a tenth the US in size, but have like a tenth the per capita allocation so far(US has allocation, but no shipping instructions apparently). From what I'm hearing, shots go out the door within a couple days of arrival so we just need to somehow get ourselves up the list a bit.
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On January 04 2021 21:11 Amui wrote:
Vaccination schedule in Canada also makes me kinda sad, even if it is well ahead of many other countries. We've only gotten like 0.4% so far. It's not until well into the double digit % vaccination rates that the virus will start to fade, so there's a long road ahead.
More than half of Canadians live in the 10 largest cities, and probably like 80% in the top 20, so I really don't think difficulty of distribution is a particularly good excuse. A single pallet on air freight can probably hold ten thousand doses(maybe half that if it's the Pfizer one due to insulation), and a single flight can hold like 10-20 pallets. Should be comfortably able to get to anywhere in NA within 24 hours of leaving Pfizer or Modernas factory.
This is more a gripe about country-level allocation though. We're a tenth the US in size, but have like a tenth the per capita allocation so far(US has allocation, but no shipping instructions apparently). From what I'm hearing, shots go out the door within a couple days of arrival so we just need to somehow get ourselves up the list a bit.
? Canada is slightly bigger than the United States, not 1/10 the size of the United States... Google tells me 3.855M square miles for Canada and 3.797M square miles for the United States (Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km).
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Norway28736 Posts
I am guessing he meant population, in which case it's basically correct.
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On January 04 2021 22:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am guessing he meant population, in which case it's basically correct.
Ah okay 
I'm wondering why some of these rollouts have been frustratingly slow/low for certain countries. For example, this NPR article goes into some detail about how/why only 4M Americans have received the vaccine (at least the first of two shots, since they need to be spaced weeks apart), rather than the naively high prediction of 20M Americans that *should* have been vaccinated by now: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/03/953045468/covid-19-cases-surge-in-u-s-as-vaccinations-fall-below-government-predictions?fbclid=IwAR3PPR-jAN4P8J2pWl7ZSRj58mmzytqTqMn9ubRu-zz-Hvj5zdsxxRFp_X8
According to the article, one important reason why we're not rolling out vaccinations more efficiently is because - as always - there's no standardized, national plan (or even individual state plans, in some states) for the roll out. There are CDC guidelines and medical recommendations, but ultimately, there's no official direction from the top down (because politicians would actually need to enforce science!), which is causing confusion and unnecessary road blocks:
""The rollout has been chaotic and disjointed and frustrating," Zaragovia told Weekend Edition. "State officials left it to hospitals and counties to choose their plans." ... "It's more than a nightmare," she told NPR's Lulu Garcia-Navarro. "It's a very disorganized kind of slow walk and it really depends where you live and in some places who you know, and that is not how a national vaccine campaign should be carried out.""
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Problems in the Netherlands are the same. We didn't even start vaccinating yet. We'll finally start Wednesday. Our health care system is pretty decentralised and there's nobody able to take charge. They planned to vaccinate the same way as we do with the flu. But due to the large doses and the temperature the vaccine has to be kept that's not an option.
They only realized this at the start of December and nobody thought of using the 9 months from the start of the corona crisis to create a plan B in case plan A didn't work. So now we're left as the only nation in the EU which hasn't started yet. Our whole response to covid19 has been a mess.
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On January 04 2021 20:02 warding wrote:- Meanwhile, Israel has already vaccinated 12.5% of the population (as of 2nd Jan), making it likely they'll reach some sort of herd immunity by end of March. It'll be interesting to see how their curve behaves in January: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/. It's likely that by the end of the month all the elderly and at-risk populations will be vaccinated. Will death rates plummet before infections?
It really is quite remarkable how Israel is able to get such a widespread deployment of a US-produced vaccine when the US itself is struggling mightily with having it available to those who need it. You'd think that the US would prioritize its own population, but you'd be wrong.
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On January 05 2021 03:53 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2021 20:02 warding wrote:- Meanwhile, Israel has already vaccinated 12.5% of the population (as of 2nd Jan), making it likely they'll reach some sort of herd immunity by end of March. It'll be interesting to see how their curve behaves in January: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/. It's likely that by the end of the month all the elderly and at-risk populations will be vaccinated. Will death rates plummet before infections? It really is quite remarkable how Israel is able to get such a widespread deployment of a US-produced vaccine when the US itself is struggling mightily with having it available to those who need it. You'd think that the US would prioritize its own population, but you'd be wrong.
I think a successful vaccination campaign comes down to two possible routes:
- You have an established centralized system in place that handles similar tasks, so you can drop the task of vaccination onto this system and it will roll out efficiently. Countries with a strong public health sector should be handle it better than, say, large federal countries with a mostly private healthcare system;
- You have a strong state capacity and leadership to implement projects, so you can set up a task force with capable project managers and people at the top solving all obstacles as they come along. I'm assuming this might be the case of Israel... and the complete opposite of what the EU is all about. Leadership is also pretty absent in the US at this point.
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On January 05 2021 04:25 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2021 03:53 LegalLord wrote:On January 04 2021 20:02 warding wrote:- Meanwhile, Israel has already vaccinated 12.5% of the population (as of 2nd Jan), making it likely they'll reach some sort of herd immunity by end of March. It'll be interesting to see how their curve behaves in January: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/. It's likely that by the end of the month all the elderly and at-risk populations will be vaccinated. Will death rates plummet before infections? It really is quite remarkable how Israel is able to get such a widespread deployment of a US-produced vaccine when the US itself is struggling mightily with having it available to those who need it. You'd think that the US would prioritize its own population, but you'd be wrong. I think a successful vaccination campaign comes down to two possible routes: - You have an established centralized system in place that handles similar tasks, so you can drop the task of vaccination onto this system and it will roll out efficiently. Countries with a strong public health sector should be handle it better than, say, large federal countries with a mostly private healthcare system; - You have a strong state capacity and leadership to implement projects, so you can set up a task force with capable project managers and people at the top solving all obstacles as they come along. I'm assuming this might be the case of Israel... and the complete opposite of what the EU is all about. Leadership is also pretty absent in the US at this point.
I know for a fact that Israel has a very efficient healthcare mechanism that handles its small, geographically concentrated population well. Good on them.
However, all of that efficiency in distribution hinges on having enough vaccine to start immunizing in the first place. And Israel has gotten far, far more than their proportional / "fair" distribution of a product in very short supply. A lot of people, myself included, are rightfully asking, what gives? And I don't doubt that the fact that Israel paid a handsome premium on its own vaccine buys has a lot to do with how they've been able to cut in line ahead of even the nation that funded and developed the vaccine. Political favoritism doesn't hurt either, of course.
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On January 05 2021 04:45 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2021 04:25 warding wrote:On January 05 2021 03:53 LegalLord wrote:On January 04 2021 20:02 warding wrote:- Meanwhile, Israel has already vaccinated 12.5% of the population (as of 2nd Jan), making it likely they'll reach some sort of herd immunity by end of March. It'll be interesting to see how their curve behaves in January: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/. It's likely that by the end of the month all the elderly and at-risk populations will be vaccinated. Will death rates plummet before infections? It really is quite remarkable how Israel is able to get such a widespread deployment of a US-produced vaccine when the US itself is struggling mightily with having it available to those who need it. You'd think that the US would prioritize its own population, but you'd be wrong. I think a successful vaccination campaign comes down to two possible routes: - You have an established centralized system in place that handles similar tasks, so you can drop the task of vaccination onto this system and it will roll out efficiently. Countries with a strong public health sector should be handle it better than, say, large federal countries with a mostly private healthcare system; - You have a strong state capacity and leadership to implement projects, so you can set up a task force with capable project managers and people at the top solving all obstacles as they come along. I'm assuming this might be the case of Israel... and the complete opposite of what the EU is all about. Leadership is also pretty absent in the US at this point. I know for a fact that Israel has a very efficient healthcare mechanism that handles its small, geographically concentrated population well. Good on them. However, all of that efficiency in distribution hinges on having enough vaccine to start immunizing in the first place. And Israel has gotten far, far more than their proportional / "fair" distribution of a product in very short supply. A lot of people, myself included, are rightfully asking, what gives? And I don't doubt that the fact that Israel paid a handsome premium on its own vaccine buys has a lot to do with how they've been able to cut in line ahead of even the nation that funded and developed the vaccine. Political favoritism doesn't hurt either, of course.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-tracker-how-many-people-in-canada-have-received-shots-1.5247509
Link above, but basically Israel is the highest country on raw numbers without it's own vaccine manufacturing by an order of magnitude. Kudos to them for having an efficient distribution system in place, because vaccinating ~1% a day takes some serious work. That being said, Israel definitely raises some questions as to how they managed to get like 10x everybody else. Definitely called in some political favors and greased a bunch of palms.
They're also probably the only country on the list with enough vaccinated to make a dent that would show up in a months time.
I guess I shouldn't be complaining too much because Canada is still the 3rd/4th highest country(raw/per capita) without a domestic vaccine supply, just in terms of raw numbers we haven't even come close to where I'd expected us to be.
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On January 05 2021 03:53 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2021 20:02 warding wrote:- Meanwhile, Israel has already vaccinated 12.5% of the population (as of 2nd Jan), making it likely they'll reach some sort of herd immunity by end of March. It'll be interesting to see how their curve behaves in January: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/. It's likely that by the end of the month all the elderly and at-risk populations will be vaccinated. Will death rates plummet before infections? It really is quite remarkable how Israel is able to get such a widespread deployment of a US-produced vaccine when the US itself is struggling mightily with having it available to those who need it. You'd think that the US would prioritize its own population, but you'd be wrong.
Israel's approach: Get those vaccines out. If they'll spoil by the next day with nobody left on the schedule, go outside and use up the remaining doses. Hey Pizza Delivery Guy!
New York's Approach: We're going to fine you if we catch you handing out any vaccines to people you haven't confirmed to be on the priority list. Also, we're going to fine you if you don't use them up. Catch 22 Vaccination strategy in action, very big-brain stuff.
Maryland: Yeah, it's a pandemic, but we're kind of bad at everything. Not worth any kind of emergency funding, staffing, distribution. Dead last as of a week ago. ]Virus tallies completed by fax machine. 10% of doses given actually used.
Virginia: Yeah, it's a pandemic, and our vaccinating centers are just gonna stay closed until Monday. Y'know, vaccines are important, but that Monday-Friday fixed schedule is more important.
DC: Mayor Bowser briefs press that 64% of DC's appointments to get the first dose of a COVID vaccine are currently unbooked. Take your pick as to whether she's hiding an actual reason, or fuckups in her office with scheduling vaccinations/confirming priority, or some mixture of all that and outright incompetence.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
There’s a booking system in place? That seems silly. From how it is over here it’s a ‘don’t call us we’ll call you’ and they’re just going through the lists of vulnerable groups.
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On January 05 2021 07:32 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2021 03:53 LegalLord wrote:On January 04 2021 20:02 warding wrote:- Meanwhile, Israel has already vaccinated 12.5% of the population (as of 2nd Jan), making it likely they'll reach some sort of herd immunity by end of March. It'll be interesting to see how their curve behaves in January: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/. It's likely that by the end of the month all the elderly and at-risk populations will be vaccinated. Will death rates plummet before infections? It really is quite remarkable how Israel is able to get such a widespread deployment of a US-produced vaccine when the US itself is struggling mightily with having it available to those who need it. You'd think that the US would prioritize its own population, but you'd be wrong. Israel's approach: Get those vaccines out. If they'll spoil by the next day with nobody left on the schedule, go outside and use up the remaining doses. Hey Pizza Delivery Guy! https://twitter.com/erlichya/status/1344735831655936001New York's Approach: We're going to fine you if we catch you handing out any vaccines to people you haven't confirmed to be on the priority list. Also, we're going to fine you if you don't use them up. Catch 22 Vaccination strategy in action, very big-brain stuff. https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1346179053938683907Maryland: Yeah, it's a pandemic, but we're kind of bad at everything. Not worth any kind of emergency funding, staffing, distribution. Dead last as of a week ago. ]Virus tallies completed by fax machine. 10% of doses given actually used.Virginia: Yeah, it's a pandemic, and our vaccinating centers are just gonna stay closed until Monday. Y'know, vaccines are important, but that Monday-Friday fixed schedule is more important. https://twitter.com/tylercowen/status/1344995363053305856DC: Mayor Bowser briefs press that 64% of DC's appointments to get the first dose of a COVID vaccine are currently unbooked. Take your pick as to whether she's hiding an actual reason, or fuckups in her office with scheduling vaccinations/confirming priority, or some mixture of all that and outright incompetence. https://twitter.com/itsSpencerBrown/status/1346131667782660099
Honestly, it would be better(once hospital/distribution staff have gotten a shot) at this point to just randomly draw birthdays, and have people with a birthday on said day line up for a chance at a covid shot. Just putting them into random people is still better than doing nothing, and as long as they leave their info, they can return in 4-5 weeks for a followup shot(assuming that coordination is remotely better). Yeah most of the people going probably aren't a high risk group, but it's still something.
Heck even just having somebody on the street call passerby's to get their covid shot is still better than doing nothing with the shot.
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I am definitely significantly less than pleased with the US rollout of the vaccine. For the elderly, the answer to any inquiries about vaccination are "there are no plans currently in place, please don't ask." For medical workers, the ability to get a vaccine seems to be very directly correlated to one's employer being a major national organization that will handle the logistics for you. You have a much better chance being vaccinated as a pharmacist working for Walgreens than as an elderly care worker employed by a local government agency despite the fact that vaccinating the latter would save a lot more lives.
Everything Danglars posted is very much par for the course from what I've seen. A right mess nationally.
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It just keeps getting worse...
"There have been some issues with people refusing the vaccine, Cuomo said. About 10% of nursing home residents statewide and 15% of their staff have refused to get the vaccine, state Health Commissioner Howard Zucker said at the briefing. The state doesn’t currently have numbers on hospital workers who have refused to get vaccinated, Zucker said."
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cuomo-seeks-speed-n-y-194419478.html
I understand people who refuse vaccination, even elderly people, because the level of misinformation affects many people. But that some staff also refuses it is outrageous. If I had a say I'd tell them they're fired either when I find a replacement for them or when the pandemic is over. They appear to be refusing at a higher rate than the most at-risk population, this is outrageous.
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On January 05 2021 17:51 Magic Powers wrote:It just keeps getting worse... "There have been some issues with people refusing the vaccine, Cuomo said. About 10% of nursing home residents statewide and 15% of their staff have refused to get the vaccine, state Health Commissioner Howard Zucker said at the briefing. The state doesn’t currently have numbers on hospital workers who have refused to get vaccinated, Zucker said." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cuomo-seeks-speed-n-y-194419478.htmlI understand people who refuse vaccination, even elderly people, because the level of misinformation affects many people. But that some staff also refuses it is outrageous. If I had a say I'd tell them they're fired either when I find a replacement for them or when the pandemic is over. They appear to be refusing at a higher rate than the most at-risk population, this is outrageous.
Agreed. Those staffers need to get vaccinated or get out of that line of work.
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