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On October 25 2020 04:01 Nevuk wrote:
It can penetrate through anything but the n95 masks. This has to do with the size of respiratory particles rather than COVID itself : they're extremely small, and only a surgical level mask has holes too small for it to pass through.
That's why people said it was more to stop the spread than to stop you getting them : if an infected person coughs directly on you and you're wearing anything but an n95 you have a fairly high chance to get it. Any sort of face covering will lower the odds of you getting it somewhat, but it's not clear how much.
However, even a bandana will keep that infected person's cough from traveling nearly as far, so it lowers the social distancing requirements (which people have noticeably been shit at following).
That said not all masks are equal. I read a study a couple months ago on this. The 3 ply paper surgical mask has the best overall effect after n95, but every face covering helps.
edit: Doing some more research, newer filtered masks are coming out for the general public that may do better better at preventing getting it (due to filters) but we don't have studies on them yet.
I have a KN95 mask, I hope I can get 3 more to get by with the winter COVID-19 wave that is coming. We used to have 50-80 cases during Easter and that was around our 'peak'. People were scared. Little did we know that this was a rather easy situation, we now have 1500 cases for a population of 7 million people.
Interesting info: https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/whats-the-difference-between-n95-and-kn95-masks/
N95 = US standard, more breathable
KN95 = Chinese standard, requires fit tests
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52000 new cases today here, 17% positivity rate and climbing.... Sigh...
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Yep. Looks like the second/third wave around the world is going to be a brutal one. We won't learn either til hospitalizations and deathrates climb to levels not seen since March.
Meanwhile, the head of the US Coronavirus Task Force.
Mike Pence will not quarantine after four aides test positive for coronavirus
Campaigning is definitely more important than mitigating the spread at this point I guess...
It's going to be a rough winter.
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On October 25 2020 18:16 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2020 04:01 Nevuk wrote:
It can penetrate through anything but the n95 masks. This has to do with the size of respiratory particles rather than COVID itself : they're extremely small, and only a surgical level mask has holes too small for it to pass through.
That's why people said it was more to stop the spread than to stop you getting them : if an infected person coughs directly on you and you're wearing anything but an n95 you have a fairly high chance to get it. Any sort of face covering will lower the odds of you getting it somewhat, but it's not clear how much.
However, even a bandana will keep that infected person's cough from traveling nearly as far, so it lowers the social distancing requirements (which people have noticeably been shit at following).
That said not all masks are equal. I read a study a couple months ago on this. The 3 ply paper surgical mask has the best overall effect after n95, but every face covering helps.
edit: Doing some more research, newer filtered masks are coming out for the general public that may do better better at preventing getting it (due to filters) but we don't have studies on them yet. I have a KN95 mask, I hope I can get 3 more to get by with the winter COVID-19 wave that is coming. We used to have 50-80 cases during Easter and that was around our 'peak'. People were scared. Little did we know that this was a rather easy situation, we now have 1500 cases for a population of 7 million people. Interesting info: https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/whats-the-difference-between-n95-and-kn95-masks/N95 = US standard, more breathable KN95 = Chinese standard, requires fit tests
I bought some KN95 masks recently. They’re far more available than N95 masks because for some reason the major producers of masks still can’t meet the public need for said masks after 7 months of pandemic, so the Chinese replacements have to do.
As far as the material goes, the KN95 is functionally very comparable to an N95. The biggest difference is that N95s generally have a headband while KN95s have ear loops. The former is more effective at stopping leakage, and the KN95s I have certainly suffer from small gaps in the seal.
Still, it’s better than anything else that is actually available, and provides decent protection from both plague and smoke. Ideally the quality would be reliably as good as a properly sealing N95, but those are much harder to find. It’s the best I have to deal with wildfire smoke and those situations where social distancing isn’t an option.
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On October 26 2020 07:12 Lmui wrote:Yep. Looks like the second/third wave around the world is going to be a brutal one. We won't learn either til hospitalizations and deathrates climb to levels not seen since March. Meanwhile, the head of the US Coronavirus Task Force. Mike Pence will not quarantine after four aides test positive for coronavirusCampaigning is definitely more important than mitigating the spread at this point I guess... It's going to be a rough winter. This quote from an interview today should explain that they are indeed not bothering to care about the spread.
White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has just made one of the most revealing comments to emerge from Trump’s inner circle about the president’s historic mishandling of the coronavirus crisis. On a Sunday political talk show, Meadows admitted that the federal government was not focusing on trying to control the pandemic.
“We’re not going to control the pandemic,” he told Jake Tapper on CNN’s State of the Union. “We are going to control the fact that we get a vaccine, therapeutics and other mitigation.”
Tapper pressed Meadows to explain why the administration was not going to control Covid-19, given the massive surge that is pummeling the Midwest and mountain states. He replied: “Because it is a contagious virus.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/oct/25/donald-trump-joe-biden-election-latest-updates-mike-pence-marc-short-coronavirus-covid?page=with:block-5f9581378f086b2e58c8f6a8#block-5f9581378f086b2e58c8f6a8
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Its such a depressing situation with no end in sight :-(
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One of the first major new lockdowns in the US, in a fairly sizeable city of just under 700k people:
My own area is merely in the "wear more masks" phase of coming to terms with the impending necessity of a lockdown. The trend is truly horrendous right now, so it feels like it's inevitable.
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Lockdowns defined by remaining hospital capacity might be how the USA and a lot of the western world handles the next 6 months. Hospitals have gotten really good at managing covid wards, but once those are closed, the death rate rises pretty dramatically.
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On October 26 2020 12:32 Lmui wrote:
Lockdowns defined by remaining hospital capacity might be how the USA and a lot of the western world handles the next 6 months. Hospitals have gotten really good at managing covid wards, but once those are closed, the death rate rises pretty dramatically.
The problem with that is that you'll be perpetually responding too late to stop the consequences of the spread. By the time you respond, you've allowed the numbers to build up and that pretty much guarantees a continued high case load and therefore death count. Had you responded earlier - such as, say, when the infection count first starts a worrisome upward climb - you would have been able to prevent a lot more harm. Economic consequences notwithstanding.
All that said, given the sheer combination of infectivity and mortality of the coronavirus, there are simply not going to be a lot of success stories to boast of in the end no matter how you go about it.
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On October 26 2020 12:26 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2020 11:25 LegalLord wrote:One of the first major new lockdowns in the US, in a fairly sizeable city of just under 700k people: https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1320508825045213185My own area is merely in the "wear more masks" phase of coming to terms with the impending necessity of a lockdown. The trend is truly horrendous right now, so it feels like it's inevitable. A 200% increase in hospitizations in just 2 weeks is pretty scary. They have no space left and are converting a convention center into a field hospital. I'm not sure they had many options. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1244713 The real problem is that based on the past it will be another ~2 weeks until this measure starts showing results.
If they are already at capacity now, that is a problem.
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On October 26 2020 12:32 Lmui wrote:
Lockdowns defined by remaining hospital capacity might be how the USA and a lot of the western world handles the next 6 months. Hospitals have gotten really good at managing covid wards, but once those are closed, the death rate rises pretty dramatically.
If I may be very dark, I don't think that the death rate will rise that much! Already, if someone needs ventilation it looks like a 50:50 chance to survive! Even with all we learned. So it will not be that much of a difference...
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Switzerland looks pretty scary. 17k new infections reported today (covering the weekend), which represents the fourth week in a row of doubling case loads. Back into lockdown they go...
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On October 26 2020 13:27 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2020 12:32 Lmui wrote:
Lockdowns defined by remaining hospital capacity might be how the USA and a lot of the western world handles the next 6 months. Hospitals have gotten really good at managing covid wards, but once those are closed, the death rate rises pretty dramatically. The problem with that is that you'll be perpetually responding too late to stop the consequences of the spread. By the time you respond, you've allowed the numbers to build up and that pretty much guarantees a continued high case load and therefore death count. Had you responded earlier - such as, say, when the infection count first starts a worrisome upward climb - you would have been able to prevent a lot more harm. Economic consequences notwithstanding. All that said, given the sheer combination of infectivity and mortality of the coronavirus, there are simply not going to be a lot of success stories to boast of in the end no matter how you go about it.
Is anywhere in the world doing effective contact tracing? I know we have an app in my state that I signed up for, but I can't tell if it works. Judging by the new cases it isn't helping at least.
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If you're in the dozens to low hundreds, you can effectively contact trace. In BC I know we were in the 90%+ successful contact tracing regime, but as people expanded social bubbles, tracing 20+ people or hundreds if the infected person went to a bar for a few hours becomes impractical.
Partially why younger people are more heavily affected, their social bubbles tend to be quite large.
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On October 26 2020 22:26 LegalLord wrote:
Switzerland looks pretty scary. 17k new infections reported today (covering the weekend), which represents the fourth week in a row of doubling case loads. Back into lockdown they go...
Shit looks hella scary all around Europe :-(
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On October 27 2020 06:36 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2020 22:26 LegalLord wrote:
Switzerland looks pretty scary. 17k new infections reported today (covering the weekend), which represents the fourth week in a row of doubling case loads. Back into lockdown they go... Shit looks hella scary all around Europe :-(
People have grossly over-exaggerated our ability to control this vector. People think the Government is god and commandments from on high will solve it all, but the fact of the matter is something like C-19 is very difficult to contain for sustained periods of time. Lockdowns basically accomplish nothing except to ramp up hospital capabilities / therapeutic production, etc. which you know was the original point of a short lockdown, but somehow got warped into "control the virus; no infections". People pointed to their preferred utopia - Europe, SE Asia, but the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter where you are, it is there and the severity is primarily adjusted for by age, co-morbid factors, and population density (also it appears that O-type get less severe and shorter infections as well as being a little more difficult to infect - yay me and O-Neg type).
I don't know what's worse - old folks dying from starvation due to depression and loneliness or from this virus. There are no good solutions. Just gotta hope for it to mutate into something less virile.
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Clearly you realise that Europe is no single entity and has various different kinds of governmental strategies.
Here in Germany the message had always been to limit the spread as elimination might be a lofty goal but not quite reasonable to expect with all the freedoms we've had still.
But people have learned their lesson from corporations with the "voluntary commitments" of our often unsanctioned regulation and some just don't give a fuck about it.
Your fascination with painting people as believers of big government is strange to me
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In my city since the beginning of the whole situation mask regime and more than 100 cases of disease. Hope it will pass soon...
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