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On October 27 2020 16:02 Artisreal wrote:
Clearly you realise that Europe is no single entity and has various different kinds of governmental strategies.
Here in Germany the message had always been to limit the spread as elimination might be a lofty goal but not quite reasonable to expect with all the freedoms we've had still.
But people have learned their lesson from corporations with the "voluntary commitments" of our often unsanctioned regulation and some just don't give a fuck about it.
Your fascination with painting people as believers of big government is strange to me
At this point I am not opposed to a second (short) lockdown. I'm just sorry for all the small business owners who might not survive :/
At least in theory, a 2 week lockdown should stop all spreading. In reality we might just get it back down to a controllable level
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On October 27 2020 23:30 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2020 16:02 Artisreal wrote:
Clearly you realise that Europe is no single entity and has various different kinds of governmental strategies.
Here in Germany the message had always been to limit the spread as elimination might be a lofty goal but not quite reasonable to expect with all the freedoms we've had still.
But people have learned their lesson from corporations with the "voluntary commitments" of our often unsanctioned regulation and some just don't give a fuck about it.
Your fascination with painting people as believers of big government is strange to me
At this point I am not opposed to a second (short) lockdown. I'm just sorry for all the small business owners who might not survive :/ At least in theory, a 2 week lockdown should stop all spreading. In reality we might just get it back down to a controllable level
That is not what would happen in any theory of lockdown, unless lockdown involved individual glass boxes for every person (and even then not really because some infections persist longer than 14 days). You forget about intra-household spread, which is either the majority, or plurality of spread depending on which sample set you choose.
I am with Wegandi, whats happening in Europe is what I predicted. Yet people around here have been constantly tut-tutting my predictions and my insistence that good arguments make good predictions. If you are freaked out by rising cases in Europe your mental model of C19 has failed you and you need to construct a new one.
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On October 27 2020 23:46 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2020 23:30 Harris1st wrote:On October 27 2020 16:02 Artisreal wrote:
Clearly you realise that Europe is no single entity and has various different kinds of governmental strategies.
Here in Germany the message had always been to limit the spread as elimination might be a lofty goal but not quite reasonable to expect with all the freedoms we've had still.
But people have learned their lesson from corporations with the "voluntary commitments" of our often unsanctioned regulation and some just don't give a fuck about it.
Your fascination with painting people as believers of big government is strange to me
At this point I am not opposed to a second (short) lockdown. I'm just sorry for all the small business owners who might not survive :/ At least in theory, a 2 week lockdown should stop all spreading. In reality we might just get it back down to a controllable level That is not what would happen in any theory of lockdown, unless lockdown involved individual glass boxes for every person (and even then not really because some infections persist longer than 14 days). You forget about intra-household spread, which is either the majority, or plurality of spread depending on which sample set you choose. I am with Wegandi, whats happening in Europe is what I predicted. Yet people around here have been constantly tut-tutting my predictions and my insistence that good arguments make good predictions. If you are freaked out by rising cases in Europe your mental model of C19 has failed you and you need to construct a new one.
Obviously infected households have to quarantine longer/ until they are cured. Thought that goes without saying
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Good luck Europe. This looks real bad.
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Good luck western world more like. Seems like USA is just a few weeks behind Europe at this rate, and Canada is about a month behind the USA, all on the same rapid growth trajectory.
It's pretty scary how fast it gets out of control once small scale measures like track/trace and isolation of known contacts don't work any more in a fairly open society.
Looks like the USA crossed 300k excess deaths (Not all due to covid) at some point in the last week by CDC estimation.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm#:~:text=Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess,among Hispanic or Latino persons.
Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.
I guess the night is dark and full of terrors? Winter is coming? Something like that?
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On October 28 2020 01:56 Lmui wrote:Good luck western world more like. Seems like USA is just a few weeks behind Europe at this rate, and Canada is about a month behind the USA, all on the same rapid growth trajectory. It's pretty scary how fast it gets out of control once small scale measures like track/trace and isolation of known contacts don't work any more in a fairly open society. Looks like the USA crossed 300k excess deaths (Not all due to covid) at some point in the last week by CDC estimation. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm#:~:text=Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess,among Hispanic or Latino persons. Show nested quote +Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons. I guess the night is dark and full of terrors? Winter is coming? Something like that?
If excess deaths aren't due to covid, what is causing them? Doesn't seem like there's any other rampant diseases, or war/famine ravaging the country.
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On October 28 2020 04:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 01:56 Lmui wrote:Good luck western world more like. Seems like USA is just a few weeks behind Europe at this rate, and Canada is about a month behind the USA, all on the same rapid growth trajectory. It's pretty scary how fast it gets out of control once small scale measures like track/trace and isolation of known contacts don't work any more in a fairly open society. Looks like the USA crossed 300k excess deaths (Not all due to covid) at some point in the last week by CDC estimation. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm#:~:text=Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess,among Hispanic or Latino persons. Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons. I guess the night is dark and full of terrors? Winter is coming? Something like that? If excess deaths aren't due to covid, what is causing them? Doesn't seem like there's any other rampant diseases, or war/famine ravaging the country.
This is what annoys me when Trump claims other deaths are being recorded as COVID and it’s not really so bad. A quarter million Americans have been killed by something abnormal so what that means is that something else is killing them and that a global pandemic is the cover story used to avoid a panic. Presumably there are really vampires or something.
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On October 28 2020 04:23 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:00 Acrofales wrote:On October 28 2020 01:56 Lmui wrote:Good luck western world more like. Seems like USA is just a few weeks behind Europe at this rate, and Canada is about a month behind the USA, all on the same rapid growth trajectory. It's pretty scary how fast it gets out of control once small scale measures like track/trace and isolation of known contacts don't work any more in a fairly open society. Looks like the USA crossed 300k excess deaths (Not all due to covid) at some point in the last week by CDC estimation. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm#:~:text=Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess,among Hispanic or Latino persons. Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons. I guess the night is dark and full of terrors? Winter is coming? Something like that? If excess deaths aren't due to covid, what is causing them? Doesn't seem like there's any other rampant diseases, or war/famine ravaging the country. This is what annoys me when Trump claims other deaths are being recorded as COVID and it’s not really so bad. A quarter million Americans have been killed by something abnormal so what that means is that something else is killing them and that a global pandemic is the cover story used to avoid a panic. Presumably there are really vampires or something.
Has anyone seen the early vaccine trial patients lately...? /s
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On October 28 2020 04:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 01:56 Lmui wrote:Good luck western world more like. Seems like USA is just a few weeks behind Europe at this rate, and Canada is about a month behind the USA, all on the same rapid growth trajectory. It's pretty scary how fast it gets out of control once small scale measures like track/trace and isolation of known contacts don't work any more in a fairly open society. Looks like the USA crossed 300k excess deaths (Not all due to covid) at some point in the last week by CDC estimation. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm#:~:text=Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess,among Hispanic or Latino persons. Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons. I guess the night is dark and full of terrors? Winter is coming? Something like that? If excess deaths aren't due to covid, what is causing them? Doesn't seem like there's any other rampant diseases, or war/famine ravaging the country.
A lot ARE covid, not going to argue that, but suicides and non-covid deaths due to things like cancer due to missed screening, cancelled procedures etc. are up as well.
It's going to be difficult to tally up the death toll at the end. The important part is the full number rather than the cause in my opinion.
Some time in November, the USA is going to cross the 0.1% population mortality from Covid threshold. It's a pretty jawdropping number.
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Merkel and the ministers are meeting up right now to discuss what Germany will do for November (and depending for the rest of the year)
Should know more in a couple of hours
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If they close the borders again I will be screwed, I am supposed to move to Switzerland next month.
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Well yeah I mean the Swiss border. Germany doesn't prevent her own citizens from leaving or entering.
Unlike last lockdown I will probably qualify for exceptional border crossing now. But still moving will be a bitch in lockdown.
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On October 29 2020 00:18 zatic wrote:
Well yeah I mean the Swiss border. Germany doesn't prevent her own citizens from leaving or entering.
Unlike last lockdown I will probably qualify for exceptional border crossing now. But still moving will be a bitch in lockdown.
Is Germany a she in English or German?
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Germany is an it.
France and the UK as well.
China too.
Possibly because it is called das Land (neutrum, the country).
Idk German grammar too well.
The USA is plural which is why it has a feminine article.
Same for the Philippines.
Though you can say motherland and fatherland and use whatever article you like in that specific circumstance.
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On October 29 2020 02:40 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 00:18 zatic wrote:
Well yeah I mean the Swiss border. Germany doesn't prevent her own citizens from leaving or entering.
Unlike last lockdown I will probably qualify for exceptional border crossing now. But still moving will be a bitch in lockdown. Is Germany a she in English or German?
In English, it's fairly common to refer to countries as feminine entities. Genderless works, but I almost never see them described as male.
I don't know why this came to be, and I don't know if it really constitutes a rule or whatever.
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On October 29 2020 02:57 Artisreal wrote:
Germany is an it.
France and the UK as well.
China too.
Possibly because it is called das Land (neutrum, the country).
Idk German grammar too well.
The USA is plural which is why it has a feminine article.
Same for the Philippines.
Though you can say motherland and fatherland and use whatever article you like in that specific circumstance.
OT : you're lucky it's pretty simple. French is a clusterfuck with a lot of exceptions as usual, it's impossible to make a quick lesson about it :-p
https://parlez-vous-french.com/genre-des-pays-en-francais/
http://yolainebodin.com/the-language-nook/french/gender-of-countries-in-french
For example Madagascar doesn't end with an "e" so it should be masculine, and it has no article. But, it's implied as "the island of Madagascar", which is feminine. Sigh.
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Yup. All France reconfined at least until December 1st. All non essential shops are closed. Industry and other jobs should stay online as much as possible. Care homes can still be visited.
Every 2 weeks, there will be a meeting to review measures. Hospitals ICU beds are scheduled to be 98% full on november 6th. Currently 58% of beds are occupied with covid patients.
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On October 28 2020 00:11 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2020 23:46 cLutZ wrote:On October 27 2020 23:30 Harris1st wrote:On October 27 2020 16:02 Artisreal wrote:
Clearly you realise that Europe is no single entity and has various different kinds of governmental strategies.
Here in Germany the message had always been to limit the spread as elimination might be a lofty goal but not quite reasonable to expect with all the freedoms we've had still.
But people have learned their lesson from corporations with the "voluntary commitments" of our often unsanctioned regulation and some just don't give a fuck about it.
Your fascination with painting people as believers of big government is strange to me
At this point I am not opposed to a second (short) lockdown. I'm just sorry for all the small business owners who might not survive :/ At least in theory, a 2 week lockdown should stop all spreading. In reality we might just get it back down to a controllable level That is not what would happen in any theory of lockdown, unless lockdown involved individual glass boxes for every person (and even then not really because some infections persist longer than 14 days). You forget about intra-household spread, which is either the majority, or plurality of spread depending on which sample set you choose. I am with Wegandi, whats happening in Europe is what I predicted. Yet people around here have been constantly tut-tutting my predictions and my insistence that good arguments make good predictions. If you are freaked out by rising cases in Europe your mental model of C19 has failed you and you need to construct a new one. Obviously infected households have to quarantine longer/ until they are cured. Thought that goes without saying
That's a silly statement because you could have an 100% asymptomatic household.
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