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On March 13 2020 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:On March 12 2020 22:48 Elroi wrote:I wonder if it's because of the communion that the churches seem to have been hit so hard by the disease. TLDR: In South Korea one patient, "Patient 31", managed to infect an absurd amount of people in very short time. She was in a car accident, was hospitalized, and then went to two church services. This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why are we not seeing this in the US? I hear about cases like in SK where someone seemingly infected every single person they even kind of touched. In the US? Just a few cases here and there, no real escalation, no quarantine, just an illness that doesn't seem to spread much. Either the US is a completely unique case. Or its like everywhere else but just not being discovered. Hence the comments by officials that thousands are likely infected already. And because the infected are not being found its going to spread to 10's of thousands.
Part of me wonders if the culture of not going to the doctor due to costs has spiraled so far out of control that almost no one is even bothering to go to the doctor. My mother and brother were both VERY sick recently and I don't think they went to the doctor.
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On March 13 2020 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:On March 13 2020 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:On March 12 2020 22:48 Elroi wrote:I wonder if it's because of the communion that the churches seem to have been hit so hard by the disease. TLDR: In South Korea one patient, "Patient 31", managed to infect an absurd amount of people in very short time. She was in a car accident, was hospitalized, and then went to two church services. This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why are we not seeing this in the US? I hear about cases like in SK where someone seemingly infected every single person they even kind of touched. In the US? Just a few cases here and there, no real escalation, no quarantine, just an illness that doesn't seem to spread much. Either the US is a completely unique case. Or its like everywhere else but just not being discovered. Hence the comments by officials that thousands are likely infected already. And because the infected are not being found its going to spread to 10's of thousands. Part of me wonders if the culture of not going to the doctor due to costs has spiraled so far out of control that almost no one is even bothering to go to the doctor. My mother and brother were both VERY sick recently and I don't think they went to the doctor.
Insurance is meant to cap costs at a manageable level. We’re expected to be able to drop $5k on medical bills in any given year without too much trouble but need to be protected from unusual events like a $100k bill. But when average Americans don’t have $5k lying around then it just doesn’t work at all. Insurance doesn’t make sense with the kind of income stagnation and wealth disparity in the US. It’s a failed model.
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On March 13 2020 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:On March 12 2020 22:48 Elroi wrote:I wonder if it's because of the communion that the churches seem to have been hit so hard by the disease. TLDR: In South Korea one patient, "Patient 31", managed to infect an absurd amount of people in very short time. She was in a car accident, was hospitalized, and then went to two church services. This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why are we not seeing this in the US? I hear about cases like in SK where someone seemingly infected every single person they even kind of touched. In the US? Just a few cases here and there, no real escalation, no quarantine, just an illness that doesn't seem to spread much. Either the US is a completely unique case. Or its like everywhere else but just not being discovered. Hence the comments by officials that thousands are likely infected already. And because the infected are not being found its going to spread to 10's of thousands.
Well, this comes from reddit/twitter/cable, but it seems like US wasnt / isnt too big on testing, 11k tests so far, way laxer reaction than SouthKorea
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On March 13 2020 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2020 22:48 Elroi wrote:I wonder if it's because of the communion that the churches seem to have been hit so hard by the disease. TLDR: In South Korea one patient, "Patient 31", managed to infect an absurd amount of people in very short time. She was in a car accident, was hospitalized, and then went to two church services. This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why are we not seeing this in the US? I hear about cases like in SK where someone seemingly infected every single person they even kind of touched. In the US? Just a few cases here and there, no real escalation, no quarantine, just an illness that doesn't seem to spread much.
There are a whole bunch of cases. Seattle is going towards lockdown. Multiple states has a bunch of cases and very poor testing.
The problem is that response is fragmented by state and the federal response is awful.
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On March 13 2020 01:39 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On March 13 2020 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:On March 13 2020 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:On March 12 2020 22:48 Elroi wrote:I wonder if it's because of the communion that the churches seem to have been hit so hard by the disease. TLDR: In South Korea one patient, "Patient 31", managed to infect an absurd amount of people in very short time. She was in a car accident, was hospitalized, and then went to two church services. This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why are we not seeing this in the US? I hear about cases like in SK where someone seemingly infected every single person they even kind of touched. In the US? Just a few cases here and there, no real escalation, no quarantine, just an illness that doesn't seem to spread much. Either the US is a completely unique case. Or its like everywhere else but just not being discovered. Hence the comments by officials that thousands are likely infected already. And because the infected are not being found its going to spread to 10's of thousands. Part of me wonders if the culture of not going to the doctor due to costs has spiraled so far out of control that almost no one is even bothering to go to the doctor. My mother and brother were both VERY sick recently and I don't think they went to the doctor. Insurance is meant to cap costs at a manageable level. We’re expected to be able to drop $5k on medical bills in any given year without too much trouble but need to be protected from unusual events like a $100k bill. But when average Americans don’t have $5k lying around then it just doesn’t work at all. Insurance doesn’t make sense with the kind of income stagnation and wealth disparity in the US. It’s a failed model.
My brother and mother have not been able to afford $5k in medical costs for the entirety of my life. Sad world.
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New guidance from work:
Wherever possible, all offices will remain open for the time being. We however ask that all employees work remotely as much as possible. This will serve as a proactive and precautionary measure to help minimize the potential risk of exposure to COVID-19 and to help safeguard business continuity should exposures and confirmed cases continue to increase.
I might go into the office every once in a while to use the facilities (gym, free lunch etc), but definitely worrying.
Trudeau (Canada's Prime Mininister) is also self-isolating because his wife is showing Flu-like symptoms.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/trudeau-self-isolating-as-wife-sophie-awaits-result-of-covid-19-test-1.4850159
Definitely starting to be worrying for the older section of the population. My friends in healthcare are also starting to get worried. We can handle it for now, but if triage of clinically critical patients becomes necessary, it's going to be a rough year ahead.
I'd much rather go into work a couple times a week since I like the social side of work, and my coworkers, but it's gonna be rough.
Edit:: As far as costs go, I, and my family can survive for a year with no income, but it'd be rough if we needed to take such extreme measures.
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On March 13 2020 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:On March 12 2020 22:48 Elroi wrote:I wonder if it's because of the communion that the churches seem to have been hit so hard by the disease. TLDR: In South Korea one patient, "Patient 31", managed to infect an absurd amount of people in very short time. She was in a car accident, was hospitalized, and then went to two church services. This is what doesn't make sense to me. Why are we not seeing this in the US? I hear about cases like in SK where someone seemingly infected every single person they even kind of touched. In the US? Just a few cases here and there, no real escalation, no quarantine, just an illness that doesn't seem to spread much. Either the US is a completely unique case. Or its like everywhere else but just not being discovered. Hence the comments by officials that thousands are likely infected already. And because the infected are not being found its going to spread to 10's of thousands.
Pretty simple. The US is barely testing people, as they started by refusing the tests allowed by WHO to develop their own and was late by several weeks. It may also be lacking materials.
https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-many-coronavirus-tests-per-capita-have-been-completed
https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/coronavirus-testing-may-be-limited-by-shortage-of-materials-2020-3
The figures per capita are alarming (data is 4 days old) : the US had tested 5/million, SK had tested 3700/million.
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Italy just reported 189 new deaths, 2651 new cases. These numbers are very similar to yesterday's which is bad, but at least didnt grow.
As far as active cases go, they're gonna overtake China tomorrow or the day after that
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The Spanish numbers are shooting up as well :/
Germany keeps holding it steady at least as far as the death-rate goes
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My work is a little worried because their vpn is currently only set up for capacity to have about 25% of their staff to work from home. I'm pretty sure that if shouldn't be too big a deal to fix, but they need to get on it ASAP. There are 6 cases in my state and I'm sure the number is gonna rise really fast once there are enough tests. Trump said that coronavirus test costs will be waived, but it took insurance companies by surprise so who knows what will happen there.
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Another factor that a coworker reminded me of is nursing homes.
To my understanding, they are more an American/western concept. Furthermore, they are disgusting and diseases spread between residents like wildfire.
If it becomes widespread in nursing homes across America, they're going to turn into death houses.
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On March 13 2020 02:32 Nevuk wrote:
My work is a little worried because their vpn is currently only set up for capacity to have about 25% of their staff to work from home. I'm pretty sure that if shouldn't be too big a deal to fix, but they need to get on it ASAP. There are 6 cases in my state and I'm sure the number is gonna rise really fast once there are enough tests. Trump said that coronavirus test costs will be waived, but it took insurance companies by surprise so who knows what will happen there.
Insurance companies have clarified some tests may be free, but total care (hospital, medications etc) will not be covered.
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On March 13 2020 02:34 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Another factor that a coworker reminded me of is nursing homes.
To my understanding, they are more an American/western concept. Furthermore, they are disgusting and diseases spread between residents like wildfire.
If it becomes widespread in nursing homes across America, they're going to turn into death houses.
That's where it is starting in Washington. Last I heard they hadn't been able to test many workers showing symptoms in a facility with a known infection. On March 13 2020 02:35 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 02:32 Nevuk wrote:
My work is a little worried because their vpn is currently only set up for capacity to have about 25% of their staff to work from home. I'm pretty sure that if shouldn't be too big a deal to fix, but they need to get on it ASAP. There are 6 cases in my state and I'm sure the number is gonna rise really fast once there are enough tests. Trump said that coronavirus test costs will be waived, but it took insurance companies by surprise so who knows what will happen there. Insurance companies have clarified some tests may be free, but total care (hospital, medications etc) will not be covered.
Just thinking about sorting that out on the phone is giving me a headache.
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On March 13 2020 02:23 Geo.Rion wrote:Italy just reported 189 new deaths, 2651 new cases. These numbers are very similar to yesterday's which is bad, but at least didnt grow. As far as active cases go, they're gonna overtake China tomorrow or the day after that https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/The Spanish numbers are shooting up as well :/ Germany keeps holding it steady at least as far as the death-rate goes
1966 infected yesterday to 2502 infected today doesn't sound too great though.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany
I think our measures could be a bit faster/drastic, but each state has to make the decision(s) separately.
In Bavaria they want to decide until tomorrow morning if they want to close all schools. A lot of schools/universities are already closed. Hope they decide to close the rest too.
Some cities have implemented a drive-in solution for getting ppl tested. Basically one goes by car, opens up the window and medical staff in equipment will admister the test. It is supposed to take like 15mins. Waiting time for the results seems to vary, but they should call back within 24h.
Health insurance also allows people to just call their Doctor and get a note that they are to stay at home for 7 work days, if they show mild symptoms and are not sure if they should go for a test.
(Work places normally only allow people to stay at home for 1-3 work days without a Doctor's note and normally you have to show up at your Doctor's to get a note.)
The mood here still seems to be fine, despite having 96 confirmed cases. supermarket i go to still has everything in stock every time i go by and not a lot of ppl seem to wear masks in the subway etc.
I was planning to visit my parents in April on Eastern. 100% will cancel that. My Dad had a few operations during the last twelve months and I def. don't want to risk anything there. I was planning to go on a vacation early May as well. Probably will have to cancel that too.
At work they distributed a lot of hand sanitizers and hired more cleaning personal. Cantine also changed up procedure to hand out cutlery etc.
Teamleader requested remote access for the whole team today. Might take some time until everything is cleared though. Apparently there are a lot of requests for remote access currently and the person in charge of that got sick...
Might be headed for quarantanamo before that though. Co-worker just got a text from his wife. One of her co-works is under Corona suspicion. I have enough supplies to last me 2-3 weeks at home, so that doesn't worry me too much atm.
There is also an election here on Sunday... not sure if I will go.
edit: if yall want sauce for anything I rambled on Ill try to provide, but itll probably be in German. Sry^^
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Panick buying started in Belgium (my area at least); I don't know if it's justified or if it's just people infecting each other with worriedness. I guess I don't understand how this works.
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Ohio just banned all gatherings larger than 100 people and asked everyone to wfh if possible. Also shut down all public schools for 3 weeks starting Monday.
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Yep, my friend who teaches in Cleveland just got the word.
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Netherlands is finally tuning in too. From waaay too lackluster to necessary measures in 1 day. From today, gatherings of over 100 people are off, sports clubs are closed, people are supposed to work from home whenever possible. Schools are still open, though. But no police checks and fines, as far as I can see. Hope people start taking this seriously, the mentality is still mostly 'nothing bad will happen to me'.
And I still don't understand the toilet paper hype. 2 rolls can last me a month, it doesn't make sense to have bigger TP than food supplies?
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I have a sports tournament the weekend of the 21st which is expected to see around 24 teams of ~16 people so ~400 people. I'm hoping it doesnt get cancelled, but chances are high that I have to deal with it... shit.
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On March 13 2020 04:12 Nevuk wrote:
Ohio just banned all gatherings larger than 100 people and asked everyone to wfh if possible. Also shut down all public schools for 3 weeks starting Monday.
Meanwhile, a giant concert was held in Portland yesterday. Great.
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