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On March 13 2020 04:17 aseq wrote:
And I still don't understand the toilet paper hype. 2 rolls can last me a month, it doesn't make sense to have bigger TP than food supplies?
While I'm sure people are hoarding food as well, there's just so many more food products in your average grocery store than there is toilet paper. It's hard to run out of "food" compared to running out of one very specific item.
That said, the canned and dry food sections of the stores do look... more bare than normal. I'd say maybe 15% of the things I wanted to buy seem to be out of stock all the time.
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On March 13 2020 08:56 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2020 04:17 aseq wrote:
And I still don't understand the toilet paper hype. 2 rolls can last me a month, it doesn't make sense to have bigger TP than food supplies? While I'm sure people are hoarding food as well, there's just so many more food products in your average grocery store than there is toilet paper. It's hard to run out of "food" compared to running out of one very specific item. That said, the canned and dry food sections of the stores do look... more bare than normal. I'd say maybe 15% of the things I wanted to buy seem to be out of stock all the time.
It seems like a meme at this point. People are panic buying it because other people are panic buying it.
There's a lot of perishable food that'll last a year if you put it in the freezer but everyone is still going for the rice.
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Ohio health officials now estimate 100,000 people in state are infected, as community spread has started happening (people who never went to an infected area, and never interacted with someone who did, are showing positive for it).
Ohio Department of Health Director Amy Acton said at a press conference alongside Gov. Mike DeWine (R) that given that the virus is spreading in the community in Ohio, she estimates at least 1 percent of the population in the state has the virus.
"We know now, just the fact of community spread, says that at least 1 percent, at the very least, 1 percent of our population is carrying this virus in Ohio today," Acton said. "We have 11.7 million people. So the math is over 100,000. So that just gives you a sense of how this virus spreads and is spreading quickly."
"This is certainly an unprecedented time. It is this one in 50 years pandemic that we have been planning for that we talk a lot about in my over 30 years in public health," Acton said. "We have never seen a situation exactly like this."
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/ohio-department-of-health-says-100-000-ohioans-are-carrying-coronavirus
I'm guessing most of those people so far are earlier enough in the process that they haven't actually started feeling sick, or are asymptomatic. Incubation of 14 days makes it very hard to contain. Still, the disparity between the guess and positive tests is pretty extreme (only 6 people were positive in the state as of this morning), but it's probably more accurate since tests are so rare here, and it explains why things went from 0 -100 real quick on restrictions.
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My province decided that I have to self-quarantine for 14 days since I returned from Europe recently. And I've had a dry cough for a couple of days... Staying away from other people but I'm starting to think about getting tested. No fever though, just a dry cough. This all sucks.
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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Probably one of the best articles I have seen to explain why "drastic" action is required.
The most common misconception about COVID19 being a "bad flu" is that the low mortality rate for COVID19 (less than 1%) is achievable only when the healthcare system is not overwhelmed. When the healthcare system is overwhelmed, the mortality rate rises to more like 5%.
When Wuhan got locked down, China sent 30,000 doctors from other parts of China into the city to support the healthcare system (and even then it was just about enough). This type of support is not going to be available for most other countries, meaning that they have to slow down the rate of spread in order to give their healthcare system enough time to handle the caseload.
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... healthcare system is overwhelmed what does that mean in practical terms?.
when you're out of meds/treatment that's obvious, but why 30,000 doctors?; are they needed to administer treatment?, to diagnose/test people? ... wouldn't volunteers work?(with some basic medical know-how).
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it's ventilators and intensive care units mostly, this seems to be particularly acute in Northern Italy. The extra capacity for treating illnesses like severe pneumonia seems to be quite low sadly.
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All ski areas in the Alps to close by Sunday. Close call for me, I am in the mountains until Saturday.
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On March 13 2020 15:05 xM(Z wrote:what does that mean in practical terms?. when you're out of meds/treatment that's obvious, but why 30,000 doctors?; are they needed to administer treatment?, to diagnose/test people? ... wouldn't volunteers work?(with some basic medical know-how).
The hospital in the city I live in Norway has 8 intensive care beds. If only 1/4 of the population here gets sick, that is about 90000 people. If 1-10% of those need intensive care, that is 900- 9000 patients which require an intensive care bed. It is a big problem. Better not get in a car crash when those beds are taken.
And then there are the issues with e.g. surgeries being postponed by sick surgeons/quarantines departements. Got a tumor or a heart attack? Tough luck.
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All "remote capable" employees at my company told to work from home. Meanwhile, the less paid technicians have to go in because otherwise literally nothing happens. Society sucks. I make 2x+ what techs make, work from home. They do all the hard work and have to work while the privileged engineers stay home.
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My trip to a Client on Monday in London has been cancelled because of the Virus, which im glad of, don't really want to go on the underground at the moment. Looks like the accountancy and legal sector is now all going to be working from home.
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On March 13 2020 15:05 xM(Z wrote:what does that mean in practical terms?. when you're out of meds/treatment that's obvious, but why 30,000 doctors?; are they needed to administer treatment?, to diagnose/test people? ... wouldn't volunteers work?(with some basic medical know-how).
Volunteers are not as professional as doctors,to be safe,volunteers don't participate in medical work.Not all the doctors treat Corona,some of them help to treat other ordinary disease.
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As much as possible is closing down in Denmark, our politicians unanimous just passed a bill lasting until 2021 allowing things like forced vaccination/test/treatment/quarantine and giving the police the necessary rights to enforce them.
Happy to see our politicians cast differences aside and work together for once.
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Just as I was thinking Romanian authorities were reacting reasonably well, implementing some really strict emergency measures, here's this string of events
1. There wasnt an invested government, cuz the last one was dismissed with a no-confidence vote a while back, and has been working as the acting/ interim government. The party (PNL) nominated the dismissed PM once again (angling for another failed vote and new elections). Constitutional Court shot it down, saying u cant do that. The party was like, ok we're nominating someone else who the opposition hates and we totally want him to be invested, knowing there arent enough votes to pass parliament. Here comes the virus.
2. Yesterday, 12.03, Opposition and "neutral" parties were like, yeah, alright, we need an invested government, gonna even vote in this guy (named Citu).
3. The guy stepped back 10 minutes prior to the vote, the party saying they re gonna nominate someone else (rumors have it that it would have been the dismissed PM once again ?!), vote quikcly schedueled for next Monday
4. Today, Friday, the party leaders announced one of them has tested positive for COVID19 (after a big party event), so the entire leadership of PNL goes into self-quarantine. They arent gonna go for consultations with the president for the nominating PM. The main opposition (and the overall bigest) party doesnt want to nominate a PM either.
What an utter shitshow, what a timing. I could only link sources in romanian or hungarian, probably most of you arent interested.
As a personal angle, this last month (15th to 15th) gonna be my fist one in quite a while where i'm ending in the red. Usually i try to save some each month, 500 euros or so, or if there s some big expenditure, at least sry to stay around 0.
These past ~30 days i've booked and paid for a 2 person trip to Barcelona, cancelled, unforseen car troubles, went to dentist twice, not to mention having to stock up on some stuff... But i guess that's why i was living within my means, and saving up, so if some string-of-shit like this happens, I dont need to worry. It still feels shitty.
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On March 13 2020 15:05 xM(Z wrote:what does that mean in practical terms?. when you're out of meds/treatment that's obvious, but why 30,000 doctors?; are they needed to administer treatment?, to diagnose/test people? ... wouldn't volunteers work?(with some basic medical know-how). They build emergency hospitals to be able to treat more people, which means you need more doctors. And the people that are actually seriously sick most likely need more care then a volunteer with only the most basic know-how can provide.
Plus there is medical personal getting sick aswell, so you need to bring in fresh doctors to take over from sick doctors and keep the wheels turning.
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From Italy ... as simply as ... we ARE NOT ALLOWED to leave home unless for buying food or any other proved need (i.e. help your elder close family member).
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In Australian news, our PM has made a big deal of wanting to go to a particular rugby game on the weekend, to demonstrate that everything is fine. He's been talking about this all week.
He's now received advice to cancel all events greater than 500 people, so he has agreed to do so from Monday, to ensure that he can still attend the game and pretend everything is fine, along with tens of thousands of other disease vectors.
Also, our extremely xenophobic minister for home affairs has, very fittingly, been diagnosed with the virus.
This whole thing would be funny if it wasn't so scary.
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The hospital in the city I live in Norway has 8 intensive care beds. If only 1/4 of the population here gets sick, that is about 90000 people. If 1-10% of those need intensive care, that is 900- 9000 patients which require an intensive care bed. It is a big problem. Better not get in a car crash when those beds are taken.
Out government is sadly not dealing with this outbrake in the way that they should. Now that we are essentially "shut down" they STILL do not commander the use of private hospitals and now there is the issue with the lack of personell. Out government needs to wake up 
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We got our first domestic cases in Argentina.
On the bright side we got a head start seeing the mess in asia and europe, so our authorities were kind of scared and took some measures.
But on the other side I think more needs to be done asap, like cancelling all gatherings (currently only the ones with more than 200 people are), cinemas, theaters, etc.
Classes are still running and I think they should be cancelled. Most companies are waiting on official announcements to make any move, so government inactivity translates into more vectors in private companies as well.
Right now measures are getting stricter day by day, maybe by next week we will be on full lockdown.
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Here in Brazil things have gone from slight aprehention to overt worrying 3 days ago. Classes and gatherings are being called off, workplaces are allowing home-office, hospitals are preparing for the worst and I've even called off going to visit my parents (them living the in the coutryside).
Now our president has tested positive (only the first test, so it isn't 100% certain) after coming back from meeting with Trump.
(Edit: erc, or maybe not https://www.foxnews.com/world/brazil-bolsonaro-coronavirus-test-negative-eduardo )
At least, in true Brazillian fashion, whatsapp groups are filled with funny coravirus and financial meltdown memes. Nothing can take down our sense of humor and the ability to laugh at our own misfortune.
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