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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you.

Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly.

This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
March 06 2020 18:03 GMT
#221
It's weird, since the coronvirus landed in occidental countries, we don't see as much as desinformation and instrumentalization from our media like https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2020/03/02/coronavirus-a-wuhan-on-transporte-les-cadavres-dans-des-sacs-emportes-sur-des-charrettes_6031465_3232.html . Basically, from an opponent of the regime, it is saying there are a lot of trucks which are carrying corpses, informations which have been contradicted by the WHO since then.

Now in France, it's more like "we hope our wealthfare system can take the hit". The sad thing is our dear politics have gradually reduced the hospital's means (and especially the caregivers' numbers) during the last decades. There were already social conflicts in my town's hospital because the effectifs are always lower, I wonder how they can dealt with it if there is a big epidemy.
Another concern I have is the migrants. They are a lot in my town (a desintualized one, one of the poorest of France) which already leads to conflict and a heavy mistreatment against them. Now, there are rumors they are spreading the coronavirus, this xenophobia is worrying me.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23231 Posts
March 06 2020 18:22 GMT
#222
Good news in my state, people can get free testing without insurance thanks to a letter urging it from a local rep and not a completely ass governor, bad news, they might be jobless/homeless after a quarantine because they can't get PTO if they test positive (so most of the people around me are probably not going to be able to afford to get tested still)
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 06 2020 19:29 GMT
#223
On March 07 2020 02:52 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2020 02:51 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
okay.. the virus is in my city now..

FUCK!


Wash your hands often and don't touch your face while you're out of the house. Eat healthy, don't drink too much and you'll likely be just fine!

Don't forget to wipe your phone screen like once a day... or at least more often than most of us probably did before, which is never. Need to make sure you're not potentially getting your hands dirty right after you washed them.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 06 2020 19:32 GMT
#224
China is claiming they are seeing an increase in the recovery rate and decrease in new cases, but I don't trust a single number coming out of that country. Have any other countries gotten to the point where new cases are going down?
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
March 06 2020 19:44 GMT
#225
On March 07 2020 04:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
China is claiming they are seeing an increase in the recovery rate and decrease in new cases, but I don't trust a single number coming out of that country. Have any other countries gotten to the point where new cases are going down?

China has taken drastic quarantine measures, that's also the power of their type of govt so I am not that surprised.

Whereas there is a LOT of information coming out of the US of a very poor action from the federal govt not allowing test kits even for exposed medical staff or after doctors/state level ordered them, a plain shortage of them etc...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/06/coronavirus-update-latest-live-news-symptoms-cases-global-infection-rate-uk-usa-australia-italy-china-updates?page=with:block-5e628c2e8f08c2df6d274b6d#block-5e628c2e8f08c2df6d274b6d

So I'm not really trusting either figures.. :-)
NoiR
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
March 06 2020 20:33 GMT
#226
On March 07 2020 04:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
China is claiming they are seeing an increase in the recovery rate and decrease in new cases, but I don't trust a single number coming out of that country. Have any other countries gotten to the point where new cases are going down?
As China is ground 0 its ahead of everyone else in the virus's progress. I would expect it to be a bit before other countries get to the same point where new cases are going down.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 06 2020 20:42 GMT
#227
I would love to see the Chinese data on their therapeutics! Kaletra, chloroquine, arbidol, the bunch!
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2617 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-06 21:45:58
March 06 2020 21:33 GMT
#228
Have anyone read about Mao and Sparrows?
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/09/26/1958-mao-zedong-ordered-sparrows-killed-ate-much-grain-caused-one-worst-environmental-disasters-history/

It is an interesting historical factoid that accurately describes the kind of results the Chinese goverment can mobilize in society.
WHO have made hopeful statements about corona virus because it is the first pneumonia (in the lower respiratory airway sense) virus that has been contained without vaccines using only quarantine and disease tracing.

The context would be that if China was late on the ball with tens of thousands of people already infected then surely western countries can handle the effects of a few imported cases and the infections they cause in turn.

I do not think the Chinese goverment lies about the numbers (but I could be wrong).

But I am also not sure that any western goverment today has the power to drive their population of sparrows to extinction by issuing a decree.

edit: I should say that ai think that we can and we will contain the virus since we know it can be done. We just need the right will for it first.
And I also think that it will not be that bad be regardless if it is contained or not.

It is just an observation of the fucked up things Chinese goverment can achive on unimportant things versus them not telling the world the whole truth.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
March 06 2020 21:55 GMT
#229
I think it's already failed. 80+ countries infected, and lots of them don't have excellent health systems, or the population may not comply.
Either you get a good vaccine later on, either the virus dies out due to the time of year (but if it's already worldwide, there's little chance of that... Since we have 2 hemispheres.

My guess is that's it's endemic until at least a vaccine. France reported +50% cases today.
NoiR
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
March 07 2020 01:52 GMT
#230
Hawaii had first confirmed case today.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-07 08:55:32
March 07 2020 02:13 GMT
#231
In lighter news, the great toilet paper shortage of 2020 is providing some entertaining moments over here.

A truck carrying a load of TP caught fire on a motorway a couple days ago and the entire city went into mourning.

A family accidentally ordered about half a ton of it a few weeks before everyone went mad, were wondering what the hell to do with it, and are now sitting on a very respectable investment.

One of our newspapers decided to do their bit by including several additional pages conveniently marked to be torn up and deployed in emergencies.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 07 2020 03:07 GMT
#232
As much as I feel China fucked up in the initial stages of the virus, I think what they have done now is pretty good. I'm actually more worried about Italy and other European countries because I don't think they are capable of enacting any strong measures to combat the spread.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 07 2020 07:19 GMT
#233
On March 07 2020 12:07 DucK- wrote:
As much as I feel China fucked up in the initial stages of the virus, I think what they have done now is pretty good. I'm actually more worried about Italy and other European countries because I don't think they are capable of enacting any strong measures to combat the spread.

Yeah I gotta admit that China's draconian policies are required for something that is this contagious and deadly. The alternative where probably double digit percentages of the population get severely sick over the next few months, and the country runs out of caregivers, medicine, etc. is not pretty. Would easily be millions dead.

There's no way to contain the virus any more in a lot of countries(Iran, Italy) without emulating China, but it isn't too late to slow it to a point where the healthcare system can handle it without collapsing.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
FBTsingLoong
Profile Joined April 2018
China410 Posts
March 07 2020 07:23 GMT
#234
On March 07 2020 11:13 Belisarius wrote:
In lighter news, the great toilet paper shortage of 2020 is providing some entertaining moments over here.

A truck carrying a load of TP caught fire on a motorway a couple days ago and the entire city went into mourning.

A family accidentally ordered about half a ton of toilet paper a few weeks before everyone went mad, were wondering what the hell to do with it, and are now sitting on a very respectable investment.

One of our newspapers decided to do their bit by including several additional pages conveniently marked to be torn up and deployed in emergencies.



Is there any special usage of toilet paper?
TyInnoMaruByunAlive,TIMBA
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5585 Posts
March 07 2020 07:44 GMT
#235
I talk to myself in public a lot more because of the mask.

On March 07 2020 06:55 Nouar wrote:
I think it's already failed. 80+ countries infected, and lots of them don't have excellent health systems, or the population may not comply.
Either you get a good vaccine later on, either the virus dies out due to the time of year (but if it's already worldwide, there's little chance of that... Since we have 2 hemispheres.

My guess is that's it's endemic until at least a vaccine. France reported +50% cases today.

That's the "outbreak" stage, not to advocate complacency but it's slowing encouragingly here and in China with appropriate responses.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
March 07 2020 08:12 GMT
#236
On March 07 2020 16:23 FBTsingLoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2020 11:13 Belisarius wrote:
In lighter news, the great toilet paper shortage of 2020 is providing some entertaining moments over here.

A truck carrying a load of TP caught fire on a motorway a couple days ago and the entire city went into mourning.

A family accidentally ordered about half a ton of toilet paper a few weeks before everyone went mad, were wondering what the hell to do with it, and are now sitting on a very respectable investment.

One of our newspapers decided to do their bit by including several additional pages conveniently marked to be torn up and deployed in emergencies.



Is there any special usage of toilet paper?

No lol
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2617 Posts
March 07 2020 08:31 GMT
#237
On March 07 2020 16:23 FBTsingLoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2020 11:13 Belisarius wrote:
In lighter news, the great toilet paper shortage of 2020 is providing some entertaining moments over here.

A truck carrying a load of TP caught fire on a motorway a couple days ago and the entire city went into mourning.

A family accidentally ordered about half a ton of toilet paper a few weeks before everyone went mad, were wondering what the hell to do with it, and are now sitting on a very respectable investment.

One of our newspapers decided to do their bit by including several additional pages conveniently marked to be torn up and deployed in emergencies.



Is there any special usage of toilet paper?


I mean the main use is important enough, right? :D
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
SPcrusader
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway99 Posts
March 07 2020 08:36 GMT
#238
I work in the entertainment industry as a stage tech and my entire next week was cancelled. Concerts, seminars, exhibits. The clients are claiming "Force majeure" so I`m losing lots of money on this damned virus. Should have been a disinfectant salesman. Yesterday I had a job at an exhibit that hosted 20k people. Hope none of them sneezed.
https://www.twitch.tv/spcrusader
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-07 10:29:17
March 07 2020 10:28 GMT
#239
I never understood why people hoard toilet paper in times like this. It takes up a huge amount of space and you dont need that much to last a while. It would be one of the last things for me to worry about.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11839 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-07 11:15:44
March 07 2020 11:14 GMT
#240
On March 07 2020 19:28 pmh wrote:
I never understood why people hoard toilet paper in times like this. It takes up a huge amount of space and you dont need that much to last a while. It would be one of the last things for me to worry about.


As long as you have running water you need none of it. Its just a bit more icky.

I assume sales of Bidet style toilets have skyrocketed as well if people worry about paper.
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