On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
I wanna ask you guys: How many of you actually notice the things in games that people then complain about by yourselves, before it is suddenly made into a big deal by those influencer groups?
I get annoyed by a lot of things in games. I dont know if those are the same things influencers complain about because I dont watch influencers. Most of the time it doesnt translate into negative review, unless it is REALLY deserved but it makes me less likely to buy from same company in the future.
On October 10 2024 17:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Some guy on here got angry with me when i said that voice acting is not a profession. And, its not. People throughout video games did voicing as a side hobby for decades. VA's have been severely distorting the dialogue of Japanese characters and now Japanese companies are responding be eliminating VAs and using AI. Who can blame them. They are protecting their work.
These voice generation companies can just find articulate clear speaking students to give them 50 lines. They can then pay the voice people a little bit of cash for permanent perpetual use of their voice in the way James Earl Jones signed away his rights.
Man, the industry is as scummy as your favourite dystopian fiction. Mad Max, 1984, Brave New World... its over for VAs.
Yes because it’s a daft thing to say. It’s a profession, one doesn’t have to be angry to point this out.
Now, can amateurs do a good thru great job? Yes absolutely, they can and have many, many times throughout gaming history.
Those are different claims though.
I agree that voice acting as anything other than a crazy niche profession appears to be on the way out, but it’s only because I highly doubt there’s the appetite to actually regulate the sector and its frequent pretty flagrant ethical breaches.
On October 10 2024 17:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Some guy on here got angry with me when i said that voice acting is not a profession. And, its not. People throughout video games did voicing as a side hobby for decades. VA's have been severely distorting the dialogue of Japanese characters and now Japanese companies are responding be eliminating VAs and using AI. Who can blame them. They are protecting their work.
These voice generation companies can just find articulate clear speaking students to give them 50 lines. They can then pay the voice people a little bit of cash for permanent perpetual use of their voice in the way James Earl Jones signed away his rights.
Man, the industry is as scummy as your favourite dystopian fiction. Mad Max, 1984, Brave New World... its over for VAs.
Yes because it’s a daft thing to say. It’s a profession, one doesn’t have to be angry to point this out.
Now, can amateurs do a good thru great job? Yes absolutely, they can and have many, many times throughout gaming history.
Those are different claims though.
I agree that voice acting as anything other than a crazy niche profession appears to be on the way out, but it’s only because I highly doubt there’s the appetite to actually regulate the sector and its frequent pretty flagrant ethical breaches.
Video games first voices were electronically generated. We are returning to the Intellivoice, 'Evil Otto' and whoever the alien voice was supposed to be in Stratovox. So these voice people never were permanent fixtures of the industry.
Voice generation is more sophisticated than in 1982 and real people are, once again, no longer required.
Making photo realistic art could be considered a 'profession' in 1820. You can still pursue it as a hobby. It is no longer a profession. The state of technology has changed.
In 1975, a 4 year computer science grad could make building Actuarial and Accounting reports in RPG3 a profession. Tools like Stonefield reports ended that. The state of technology changed and Comp Sci grads trying to make a lifetime career out of Accounting Report Writing are losing their jobs.
In 2024 I'd argue that a comp sci grad learning a report writer and making reports with it in your job is professional suicide.
Likewise the people whining in this video can continue doing Voice Acting as a fun hobby. The state of technology changed. The profession no longer exists.
Listening to those whiners dismiss the blue collar work of low paid people makes it tough to sympathize with their plight. It'd be rather ironic if they ended up getting a job folding laundry or cooking.
When the state of technology changes professions disappear. Voice Acting in video games is no longer a profession.
Many in the Tech Sector with low skill type jobs are being replaced by tech. As Dusty Rhodes said In 1985, it's hard times...
On October 11 2024 05:14 WombaT wrote: , but it’s only because I highly doubt there’s the appetite to actually regulate the sector and its frequent pretty flagrant ethical breaches.
The VAs are changing the meaning of all kinds of Japanese fiction and making it easy to fire them. They have yet to screw around with any NJPW stuff so far. If they do then wrestling fans will be all over it.
You said it isn’t a profession, not that it may be a profession that may ultimately cease to exist outside of niches. The latter seems reasonably likely to me, but the former is just incorrect.
People aren’t denigrating blue collar workers.‘Why is AI replacing things people actually enjoy doing rather than monotonous tasks?’ is the point, not ‘why am I losing my job and not poor people?’ Most people don’t employ people to do those monotonous tasks for them anyway.
And it’s all based on levels of copyright and up infringement that is beyond anything the Pirate Bay did in its entire existence.
On October 11 2024 06:54 WombaT wrote: You said it isn’t a profession, not that it may be a profession that may ultimately cease to exist outside of niches. The latter seems reasonably likely to me, but the former is just incorrect.
People aren’t denigrating blue collar workers.‘Why is AI replacing things people actually enjoy doing rather than monotonous tasks?’ is the point, not ‘why am I losing my job and not poor people?’ Most people don’t employ people to do those monotonous tasks for them anyway.
And it’s all based on levels of copyright and up infringement that is beyond anything the Pirate Bay did in its entire existence.
They denigrated and dismissed blue collar work in the video. Specifically folding laundry and cooking.
On October 11 2024 06:54 WombaT wrote: .‘Why is AI replacing things people actually enjoy doing rather than monotonous tasks?’ is the point, not ‘why am I losing my job and not poor people?’ Most people don’t employ people to do those monotonous tasks for them anyway.
This is covered in the video. White collar workers have a long history, especially Yanks, of dismissing blue collar work. These 2 whiners included.
They both did a job without a contract. They know what is coming. It is up to them to react to the changing state of tech. The sleazey behaviour of some VAs makes it hard to sympathize with them.
Most people constantly respond to the changing state of technology in their work. Those choosing not to do so in the past ended up as unemployed Michigan UAW Auto Workers.
Neither of those things make VA work not a profession. Folding laundry and cooking can be done by robots does that make the people doing them commercially not in a profession?
Just beacuse something is hard doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it. Just because a few people do something you don't like doesn't justify you demeaning the entire industry they belong to.
On October 11 2024 06:54 WombaT wrote: You said it isn’t a profession, not that it may be a profession that may ultimately cease to exist outside of niches. The latter seems reasonably likely to me, but the former is just incorrect.
People aren’t denigrating blue collar workers.‘Why is AI replacing things people actually enjoy doing rather than monotonous tasks?’ is the point, not ‘why am I losing my job and not poor people?’ Most people don’t employ people to do those monotonous tasks for them anyway.
And it’s all based on levels of copyright and up infringement that is beyond anything the Pirate Bay did in its entire existence.
They denigrated and dismissed blue collar work in the video. Specifically folding laundry and cooking.
No they didn’t, Asmongold said they did based on a giant jump of logic.
‘Why can’t AI do my laundry instead of encroaching in creative pursuits?’ isn’t some call to replace jobs in that domain because most people do those things themselves anyway.
Aside from obvious practicality concerns, why AI is seemingly replacing things people actually enjoy doing rather than things they don’t is a perfectly reasonable observation.
Also, it is not up to me to prove a negative. It is up to the proponent of "Voice Acting Is a profession" to prove it.
Where is the governing body of VAs? What are the education standards? When and why are people kicked out for malpractice. These are things going on in every real profession.
Borderlands is a series renowned for its great story. Randy Pitchford plays several voices in that franchise. Where is his accreditation? What education standards has he met? What things can happen that will cause him to be kicked out of the profession?
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67922303 A union is not a professional governing body. Even the Union representing what few VAs are in it ignores them. This is precisely where the "governing body of VAs" should step on and represent them. THat did not happen. There is no representation for VAs. There are no education standards. Where are the professional malpractice procedures for VAs?
Any one can just randomly declare: "i'm a voice actor".
On October 11 2024 07:06 Sermokala wrote: Neither of those things make VA work not a profession. Folding laundry and cooking can be done by robots does that make the people doing them commercially not in a profession?
Just beacuse something is hard doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it. Just because a few people do something you don't like doesn't justify you demeaning the entire industry they belong to.
Again, the warning shots have been fired. The camera has been invented... CPUs are 10,000X more powerful...etc. The state of tech has changed. Neither person brought up the quality of the work. They brought up the money.
People can keep painting photo realistic portraits and Comp sci grads can keep cranking out RPG3 reports. These people will only make a fraction of what they made in 1830 or 1980. Neither of these things is a profession any longer. Perhaps , they are hobbies.
On October 11 2024 07:07 WombaT [/Quote: No they didn’t, Asmongold said they did based on a giant jump of logic.
She dismissed it like it was unimportant. Again, she knows what is coming. VA work is getting replaced.
And the VAs intentionally changing Japan fiction provide a nice, easy excuse to replace them.
Right now, these VAs are competing with computers and the computers are only going to continue to get better and better.
On October 10 2024 17:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Some guy on here got angry with me when i said that voice acting is not a profession. And, its not. People throughout video games did voicing as a side hobby for decades. VA's have been severely distorting the dialogue of Japanese characters and now Japanese companies are responding be eliminating VAs and using AI. Who can blame them. They are protecting their work.
These voice generation companies can just find articulate clear speaking students to give them 50 lines. They can then pay the voice people a little bit of cash for permanent perpetual use of their voice in the way James Earl Jones signed away his rights.
Man, the industry is as scummy as your favourite dystopian fiction. Mad Max, 1984, Brave New World... its over for VAs.
This bolded statement is about as accurate as most statements you make. Well done.
On October 10 2024 17:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Some guy on here got angry with me when i said that voice acting is not a profession. And, its not. People throughout video games did voicing as a side hobby for decades. VA's have been severely distorting the dialogue of Japanese characters and now Japanese companies are responding be eliminating VAs and using AI. Who can blame them. They are protecting their work.
These voice generation companies can just find articulate clear speaking students to give them 50 lines. They can then pay the voice people a little bit of cash for permanent perpetual use of their voice in the way James Earl Jones signed away his rights.
Man, the industry is as scummy as your favourite dystopian fiction. Mad Max, 1984, Brave New World... its over for VAs.
This bolded statement is about as accurate as most statements you make. Well done.
see my post above. That closes my arguments on voice acting as a profession.
None of this much matters. Its over any way. Actors are going to start signing their voice rights away to pick up some quick cash. Technology will improve and most video games will go with AI generated voices.
On October 10 2024 17:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Some guy on here got angry with me when i said that voice acting is not a profession. And, its not. People throughout video games did voicing as a side hobby for decades. VA's have been severely distorting the dialogue of Japanese characters and now Japanese companies are responding be eliminating VAs and using AI. Who can blame them. They are protecting their work.
These voice generation companies can just find articulate clear speaking students to give them 50 lines. They can then pay the voice people a little bit of cash for permanent perpetual use of their voice in the way James Earl Jones signed away his rights.
Man, the industry is as scummy as your favourite dystopian fiction. Mad Max, 1984, Brave New World... its over for VAs.
This bolded statement is about as accurate as most statements you make. Well done.
see my post above. That closes my arguments on voice acting as a profession.
None of this much matters. Its over any way. Actors are going to start signing their voice rights away to pick up some quick cash. Technology will improve and most video games will go with AI generated voices.
Not generally a fan of this denigration of people's jobs. If we shouldn't call voice acting a profession, can we at least refer to it as honest work? It pays money, it requires a fair amount of effort, by all means it's a proper job. Whatever you call it, lets keep it real. Voice actors are respectable and productive members of society in their own right.
On October 10 2024 17:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Some guy on here got angry with me when i said that voice acting is not a profession. And, its not. People throughout video games did voicing as a side hobby for decades. VA's have been severely distorting the dialogue of Japanese characters and now Japanese companies are responding be eliminating VAs and using AI. Who can blame them. They are protecting their work.
These voice generation companies can just find articulate clear speaking students to give them 50 lines. They can then pay the voice people a little bit of cash for permanent perpetual use of their voice in the way James Earl Jones signed away his rights.
Man, the industry is as scummy as your favourite dystopian fiction. Mad Max, 1984, Brave New World... its over for VAs.
This bolded statement is about as accurate as most statements you make. Well done.
see my post above. That closes my arguments on voice acting as a profession.
None of this much matters. Its over any way. Actors are going to start signing their voice rights away to pick up some quick cash. Technology will improve and most video games will go with AI generated voices.
Here's a dude with like 500 voice acting credits on a bunch of stuff. Your move.
Where is the professional body with standards? Education standards. Malpractice protocols etc? Without it there is no profession.
Medicine, Law, Actuarial, etc are constantly throwing members out due to not following their rule set. This is not happening with VAs.
Anyone like Randy Pitchford can unilaterally declare "I am a voice actor"
On October 11 2024 09:57 Magic Powers wrote: Not generally a fan of this denigration of people's jobs.
Claiming someone is not in a profession is not denigrating their job. It is a job. I've got over 10,000 hours building compilers and decompilers. I am not in the 'software engineering profession' because the profession does not exist. Is it detailed and complicated? Sure. That does not make it a profession.
A profession is just the description of the line of work you're in. Actors writers doctors sports athletes and electricians are all descriptions of professions someone is employed to do. You're not specifying if you're a VA for Dubed anime or a VA for video games or a VA for movies you're saying that they contribute their voice to a creative project by acting as a character or something else.
You're just trying to denigrate people you don't respect again by othering professions you don't respect and contrasting them with professions you do respect. Is a painter a profession or a sculptor?
On October 10 2024 17:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Some guy on here got angry with me when i said that voice acting is not a profession. And, its not. People throughout video games did voicing as a side hobby for decades. VA's have been severely distorting the dialogue of Japanese characters and now Japanese companies are responding be eliminating VAs and using AI. Who can blame them. They are protecting their work.
These voice generation companies can just find articulate clear speaking students to give them 50 lines. They can then pay the voice people a little bit of cash for permanent perpetual use of their voice in the way James Earl Jones signed away his rights.
Man, the industry is as scummy as your favourite dystopian fiction. Mad Max, 1984, Brave New World... its over for VAs.
This bolded statement is about as accurate as most statements you make. Well done.
see my post above. That closes my arguments on voice acting as a profession.
None of this much matters. Its over any way. Actors are going to start signing their voice rights away to pick up some quick cash. Technology will improve and most video games will go with AI generated voices.
On October 11 2024 09:57 Magic Powers wrote: Not generally a fan of this denigration of people's jobs.
Claiming someone is not in a profession is not denigrating their job. It is a job. I've got over 10,000 hours building compilers and decompilers. I am not in the 'software engineering profession' because the profession does not exist. Is it detailed and complicated? Sure. That does not make it a profession.
When talking loudly to yourself about Fire Pro(fessional) Wrestling, do you take the time to remind those in your general vicinity that they're not real professionals, as none of them have a PhD in chokeslam?
Jimmy are you just trolling or are you serious? The definition of a professional is getting paid enough to live on it. Therefore voice acting is s profession. An incredibly niche one but not any worse than say, a thatcher who makes thatched roofs or a potter. Which are both ancient jobs that still exist today but which are damn near extinct and not a great career prospect for most people.
If anything voice acting will evolve. I imagine you would want someone trained in acting to make sure the AI voices does a credible job. Maybe voice actors will be replaced with "voice acting director".
On October 11 2024 12:59 Sermokala wrote: A profession is just the description of the line of work you're in. Actors writers doctors sports athletes and electricians are all descriptions of professions someone is employed to do. You're not specifying if you're a VA for Dubed anime or a VA for video games or a VA for movies you're saying that they contribute their voice to a creative project by acting as a character or something else.
You're just trying to denigrate people you don't respect again by othering professions you don't respect and contrasting them with professions you do respect. Is a painter a profession or a sculptor?
I think the issue here is that Jimmy uses* a specific definition of 'profession' where a profession needs a governing body (not a union), and specialized educational and ethical standards that the professionals in the profession need to follow. So not all jobs are professions type of thing. When I work with VAs I do often expect a certain level of experience, knowledge of best practices, and skill, but a VA messing up on the job has a (relatively) tiny effect on my life or my work. A doctor messing up my treatments will potentially have a much bigger impact on my life and well-being. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, of course.
On the other hand, you can definitely get formal training in acting (and many people do), and there's literal centuries of acting to draw from.
* On the very same page he also uses a completely different definition for profession, but that's Jimmy being Jimmy.
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
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