On October 11 2024 22:26 WombaT wrote: You’re just applying your own personal definition, one that isn’t widely shared and saying you’re right. Which is very unlike you I have to say
It is not personal. Many people define "profession" the exact same way I do. None of the software engineering students that I graduated with at the best tech program in Canada view themselves as "being in a profession".
If being a software engineer isn't a profession, then I think there's some sort of semantics issue or miscommunication between your perspective and those who are disagreeing with you.
I think voice acting and acting and software engineering are professions. I think these are viable career paths for some people, and just because there may be amateur voice actors doesn't mean there aren't people training and earning a living doing it too. I think you're gatekeeping the term "profession" but I'm not sure why.
On October 11 2024 23:36 WombaT wrote: Nobody said you’re evil, just deluded as to the realities of the world, while simultaneously preaching them. = Literally everyone disagrees on your pronouncements, ah gee I wonder why?
lol, everyone? the 6 people on this forum are not every one.
Every tech worker on a team building a piece of software I know goes by their current open market value and not their current pay level. They know that once the software is fully tested their job ends. Perhaps the 6 people on here disagree? who cares.
Nobody disagreeing with you is making that claim though. As I said in my previous post. You’re probably lucky you have some specific technical skill set because if you had to be employed in any environment where basic social skills were of use you would be fucked, but fair play to you.
i'm an excellent salesman. i sell to people who have 10s of millions to spend. they are 45 to 55. this is one reason i tend towards retro games. do you know how many high ranking canadian execs play EA NHL '94 hockey dude? a lot. we talk about line combos and play online. its a blast man.
The tech I have built is an xBase/Foxpro decompiler I made in 2008/2009. All I do now is refine it. I then use a compiler I made to turn Foxpro/XBase into modern day C#. I convert old xBase Database systems. The # of old xBase systems is endless. When the well starts to dry up I'll prolly hang up my keyboard and go to Optometry school.
The Visual Foxpro object model makes it super easy to convert it to C#. Sometimes I'll take a Clipper or dBase code base and convert to Visual Foxpro. Then from there into C#.
The reason I do not have much competition is that Visual Foxpro programmers are old and most do not have the ability to make compilers and decompilers. Also, these older programmers have made their money and they are slowing down and taking management positions. Rick Strahl is 1 key exception. Dude is bad ass.
All my classmates viewed xBase systems as old and pointless. All I saw was the 100s of millions of dollars in transactions being processed through these 1990s systems and knew there was a growing opportunity there.
On October 11 2024 22:26 WombaT wrote: You’re just applying your own personal definition, one that isn’t widely shared and saying you’re right. Which is very unlike you I have to say
It is not personal. Many people define "profession" the exact same way I do. None of the software engineering students that I graduated with at the best tech program in Canada view themselves as "being in a profession".
If being a software engineer isn't a profession, then I think there's some sort of semantics issue or miscommunication between your perspective and those who are disagreeing with you.
I think voice acting and acting and software engineering are professions. I think these are viable career paths for some people, and just because there may be amateur voice actors doesn't mean there aren't people training and earning a living doing it too. I think you're gatekeeping the term "profession" but I'm not sure why.
read my previous posts. no governing body. no professional standards ruleset. you can get kicked out of the teaching, medical, legal, actuarial professions. you can't get kicked out of the software engineering "profession".
When you graduate from most engineering programs you have a clear path to obtaining the P. Eng. designation. WHen you graduate from software engineering there is no path.
On October 11 2024 23:36 WombaT wrote: Nobody said you’re evil, just deluded as to the realities of the world, while simultaneously preaching them. = Literally everyone disagrees on your pronouncements, ah gee I wonder why?
lol, everyone? the 6 people on this forum are not every one.
Every tech worker on a team building a piece of software I know goes by their current open market value and not their current pay level. They know that once the software is fully tested their job ends. Perhaps the 6 people on here disagree? who cares.
On October 11 2024 23:42 Magic Powers wrote:
On October 11 2024 23:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On October 11 2024 22:43 Magic Powers wrote: Jimmy, we all know you like to praise corrupt CEOs, tell people to just up and leave when they dislike their jobs, and it is therefore consistent with you denying the existence of various professions and denigrating people's jobs for no reason.
Your lack of self-awareness over these facts, however, is getting under people's skin. If you at least knew how unpopular your views were regarding work and careers, you could perhaps learn to understand why people dislike your takes so much. Almost universally by the way. Almost no one has ever sided with you on these issues. That doesn't strike you as odd?
just up and leave their jobs? dude, these people are working in the tech industry. as do i. we all know our jobs are temporary. the media spin that some how tech people can work in a job forever is what lacks self awareness.
Do you think the game designer of Stormgate is assuming he'll work for Frost Giant forever? Or do you think he is carefully setting himself up by building a skill set so he can bolt from Frost Giant when the time is right? I bet you he is playing 3D Chess as I type this and planning his exit from Frost Giant before it closes. To pretend he will work there for however long he pleases lacks self awareness.
The games media and their absurd spin on the tech industry lacks self awareness. I know exactly whats up. And hey man, the games media is getting laid off in droves. They deserve it. They do not represent the consumers' interests. Their jobs were always temporary.
I mentioned an old argument to show you that this new thing you're doing is not a new thing, you've consistently denigrated working people for years. I have no interest in picking up that old argument. Just be aware that your view is unpopular and that you shouldn't act shocked that people disagree with you.
No, I correctly identify the laziness of tech workers. They post brag videos about it. I've covered my views of blue collar, trades, and front line workers. Mad Respect.
Bob Rae is my hero. Check my posts. So peddle that over generalization someplace else.
I don't care about a handful of people bragging about how lazy they get to be while making good money. You praise rich CEOs (who do exactly the same thing) while denigrating a few regular workers when some of them get to boast for a minute. You're a massive hypocrite in this regard and you have a huge boner for the corrupt super wealthy. This is not about you hating on lazy people making too much money, this is about your quest to prove how much edgier than everyone else you can be. You're just a contrarian for the drama's sake.
Do you work in the Tech Sector? Teams of 5 take down teams of 200 all the time. I've been on both sides. If you've never seen it then you lack experience in the field. There are a lot of lazy people in that 200.
It is far more than a handful of lazy people. It is almost ingrained in Tech Culture. THis is how people can post these oblivious videos about how lazy they are and think it is ok. People just randomly publicly announce on youtube, instagram etc that they are "quiet quitting". Not only are they lazy.. they are oblivious.
This is how we can get a game made by 3 people that is better than a game made by 300.
Why is everyone trying to end "work from home"? Because people are abusing it.
How many guard rails are put in place at your work place for the employees who work from home. Amongst my customer base they all spend substantial resources watching all their "work from home" employees. Why spend those resources monitoring performance if everyone is working hard?
No, I don't work at all. I'm a lazy 50 y/o malding Trump supporter who tells other people to do a better job for which I'm several times underqualified while I take a hundredfold larger paycheck. Anything else you wanna know about me?
I wonder what is going on at Rob Pardo's Bonfire Studios. Damn, I'd love to work there. I want to be in charge of company culture!
On October 12 2024 00:17 Magic Powers wrote: No, I don't work at all. I'm a lazy 50 y/o malding Trump supporter who tells other people to do a better job for which I'm several times underqualified while I take a hundredfold larger paycheck. Anything else you wanna know about me?
how do you feel about the video games being made today by massive teams taking 5+ years and the game is lousy with graphics worse than 10 years ago?
myself, I'm playing games made by 5 or fewer people these days. when a supersmall team makes a great game you know they're working their asses off.
This old man is bang, dead-on the money. And this is not just happening in making entertainment software. It is happening throughout all forms of software development.
On October 11 2024 22:26 WombaT wrote: You’re just applying your own personal definition, one that isn’t widely shared and saying you’re right. Which is very unlike you I have to say
It is not personal. Many people define "profession" the exact same way I do. None of the software engineering students that I graduated with at the best tech program in Canada view themselves as "being in a profession".
If being a software engineer isn't a profession, then I think there's some sort of semantics issue or miscommunication between your perspective and those who are disagreeing with you.
I think voice acting and acting and software engineering are professions. I think these are viable career paths for some people, and just because there may be amateur voice actors doesn't mean there aren't people training and earning a living doing it too. I think you're gatekeeping the term "profession" but I'm not sure why.
read my previous posts. no governing body. no professional standards ruleset. you can get kicked out of the teaching, medical, legal, actuarial professions. you can't get kicked out of the software engineering "profession".
When you graduate from most engineering programs you have a clear path to obtaining the P. Eng. designation. WHen you graduate from software engineering there is no path.
Yeah I know that you can get officially kicked out of the legal profession, but I don't see how that's significantly different from being so bad or so toxic in a different job that you lose it and can't get rehired. Every job has rules and standards. I worry that this comes across as dismissing other legitimate careers as not real jobs, and not worthy of pursuit or respect, because they aren't truly professions.
On October 12 2024 00:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I wonder what is going on at Rob Pardo's Bonfire Studios. Damn, I'd love to work there. I want to be in charge of company culture!
On October 12 2024 00:17 Magic Powers wrote: No, I don't work at all. I'm a lazy 50 y/o malding Trump supporter who tells other people to do a better job for which I'm several times underqualified while I take a hundredfold larger paycheck. Anything else you wanna know about me?
how do you feel about the video games being made today by massive teams taking 5+ years and the game is lousy with graphics worse than 10 years ago?
myself, I'm playing games made by 5 or fewer people these days. when a supersmall team makes a great game you know they're working their asses off.
This old man is bang, dead-on the money. And this is not just happening in making entertainment software. It is happening throughout all forms of software development.
I have no idea what that question has to do with anything. Game direction is not done by individual developers, it's the responsibility of the - you guessed it - game directors. That's literally their job. If a director doesn't understand what gamers want and ends up producing a failure, that's on them. The vast majority of developer teams just do their job as they're being told to do it. It's not their fault when a game fails. Telling them they're in the wrong business is completely unprodutive.
The CEOs that you generally have such a big hard-on for are much more relevant in all this. Bobby Kotick, your big idol, he's responsible. He decides on the direction of the company. The size of the teams, the type of developers he wants, the amount of money spent, it's his choice. CEOs decide this stuff. Blame them if you have a problem with video games.
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The whole thing all really started with ESG imo. Years ago when it got massive push, all investment money are going to higher ESG rating companies.
But people and even companies are misunderstanding ESG is not really anything related financial return, but for spotting risks associated with ESG factors.
And who are giving these ratings? Non industry experts from rating agencies, subjective ratings and none of them are consistent across rating agencies. the biggest scam is rating agencies selling these and messing up where investments go. (remember who rated junk bonds for subprime mortgage?) We have law regarding green washing but not ESG rating washing.
Hell, it even fall at a fundermental level to protect investors for what it intends to do. sri lanka was 98 out of 100 rated by the worldeconomics and 2022 we all saw what happened to it.
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The difference is because BG3 is about choices. All party characters are "player sexual" as Larian calls it. You can romance anyone but if you choose someone else permanently they immediately turn it off. But the player can do whatever they want. Want to roleplay the straightest paladin in Fearun and turn Shadowheart into a tradwife? Absolutely, you can do that. Want to get kinky with a gith and wear bondage clothes? Sure. Want to get gay with Halsin? Go ahead. Want to strip all the girls in the camp naked to maximise T&A? Completely allowed. Think it's funny to have Gale hang dong in a wizard hat while wielding a sausage as a weapon in all important cutscenes? It does sound pretty hilarious.
BG3 is simply the game that the gamer wants it to be. Since people play the way they get the experience *they* want. Which is why the game basically gets a hard pass from every single side. Funnily enough since BG3 is extremely inclusive it's also quintessentially woke since that's the core idea behind it. Not because the devs especially aimed at it but because they went completely overboard with giving the players every single option they could think off.
Stellar blade on the other hand... seems to just shove a lot of T&A in your face for no really good reason. I guess it's great if that's what you want but if it's not of course it's going to be controversial.
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The difference is because BG3 is about choices. All party characters are "player sexual" as Larian calls it. You can romance anyone but if you choose someone else permanently they immediately turn it off. But the player can do whatever they want. Want to roleplay the straightest paladin in Fearun and turn Shadowheart into a tradwife? Absolutely, you can do that. Want to get kinky with a gith and wear bondage clothes? Sure. Want to get gay with Halsin? Go ahead. Want to strip all the girls in the camp naked to maximise T&A? Completely allowed. Think it's funny to have Gale hang dong in a wizard hat while wielding a sausage as a weapon in all important cutscenes? It does sound pretty hilarious.
BG3 is simply the game that the gamer wants it to be. Since people play the way they get the experience *they* want. Which is why the game basically gets a hard pass from every single side. Funnily enough since BG3 is extremely inclusive it's also quintessentially woke since that's the core idea behind it. Not because the devs especially aimed at it but because they went completely overboard with giving the players every single option they could think off.
Stellar blade on the other hand... seems to just shove a lot of T&A in your face for no really good reason. I guess it's great if that's what you want but if it's not of course it's going to be controversial.
Stellar Blade wasn’t even that controversial. Some folks pointed out the rather obvious T&A thirstbait element, but it reviewed pretty well, people weren’t review bombing it en masse in their ‘wokeness’.
Of course, to maintain a certain worldview one has to claim it was massively controversial despite that
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The difference is because BG3 is about choices. All party characters are "player sexual" as Larian calls it. You can romance anyone but if you choose someone else permanently they immediately turn it off. But the player can do whatever they want. Want to roleplay the straightest paladin in Fearun and turn Shadowheart into a tradwife? Absolutely, you can do that. Want to get kinky with a gith and wear bondage clothes? Sure. Want to get gay with Halsin? Go ahead. Want to strip all the girls in the camp naked to maximise T&A? Completely allowed. Think it's funny to have Gale hang dong in a wizard hat while wielding a sausage as a weapon in all important cutscenes? It does sound pretty hilarious.
BG3 is simply the game that the gamer wants it to be. Since people play the way they get the experience *they* want. Which is why the game basically gets a hard pass from every single side. Funnily enough since BG3 is extremely inclusive it's also quintessentially woke since that's the core idea behind it. Not because the devs especially aimed at it but because they went completely overboard with giving the players every single option they could think off.
Stellar blade on the other hand... seems to just shove a lot of T&A in your face for no really good reason. I guess it's great if that's what you want but if it's not of course it's going to be controversial.
No? The NPCs aren't your character creation characters. They would have been subjected to the exact same criticism, ala stellar blade. Otherwise where is the option to turn the female companion into star wars outlaw jaw line characters? Or concord beefy tank lady body structure.
Stellar blade female protagonist sex appeal is a design by choice, it's only a controversy if turned into one. Which is what happened when IGN calling it unrealistic body figure and start going after game dev. Even after being called out by game Dev that it's a capture of real body model. If you think that's a normal video game journalists job description then perhaps you should reconsider what has changed. Video game or video game journalists
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The difference is because BG3 is about choices. All party characters are "player sexual" as Larian calls it. You can romance anyone but if you choose someone else permanently they immediately turn it off. But the player can do whatever they want. Want to roleplay the straightest paladin in Fearun and turn Shadowheart into a tradwife? Absolutely, you can do that. Want to get kinky with a gith and wear bondage clothes? Sure. Want to get gay with Halsin? Go ahead. Want to strip all the girls in the camp naked to maximise T&A? Completely allowed. Think it's funny to have Gale hang dong in a wizard hat while wielding a sausage as a weapon in all important cutscenes? It does sound pretty hilarious.
BG3 is simply the game that the gamer wants it to be. Since people play the way they get the experience *they* want. Which is why the game basically gets a hard pass from every single side. Funnily enough since BG3 is extremely inclusive it's also quintessentially woke since that's the core idea behind it. Not because the devs especially aimed at it but because they went completely overboard with giving the players every single option they could think off.
Stellar blade on the other hand... seems to just shove a lot of T&A in your face for no really good reason. I guess it's great if that's what you want but if it's not of course it's going to be controversial.
No? The NPCs aren't your character creation characters. They would have been subjected to the exact same criticism, ala stellar blade. Otherwise where is the option to turn the female companion into star wars outlaw jaw line characters? Or concord beefy tank lady body structure.
Stellar blade female protagonist sex appeal is a design by choice, it's only a controversy if turned into one. Which is what happened when IGN calling it unrealistic body figure and start going after game dev. Even after being called out by game Dev that it's a capture of real body model. If you think that's a normal video game journalists job description then perhaps you should reconsider what has changed. Video game or video game journalists
Reading one of your posts in the morning is always funny. 😀
ET isn't completely wrong about this sort of thing. Wukong for example was subject to a heavy, completely fabricated smear campaign by IGN. They also heavily manipulated their GotY vote to bring down Wukong.
On October 02 2024 22:11 Simberto wrote: Oh god not this fucking discussion. It sucks.
Just buy the games you like, don't buy the games you don't like, and don't constantly complain about weird shit. We don't need more stupid culture war everywhere.
If your dislike for a characters looks is big enough so you won't enjoy the game, don't buy it. But please don't constantly talk about how everything is "woke" now or any similar stupid shit. Just enjoy the games you like.
Good games are good even if the characters don't look perfect for you. Bad games are bad even if the characters look awesome. Not every game needs gay characters, but gay characters don't make a game bad. Pretty women don't make a game bad, ugly women don't make a game bad.
Just focus on the game instead of stupid superficial bullshit. And actually look at the game instead of trying to use it as a culture war battleground.
We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The difference is because BG3 is about choices. All party characters are "player sexual" as Larian calls it. You can romance anyone but if you choose someone else permanently they immediately turn it off. But the player can do whatever they want. Want to roleplay the straightest paladin in Fearun and turn Shadowheart into a tradwife? Absolutely, you can do that. Want to get kinky with a gith and wear bondage clothes? Sure. Want to get gay with Halsin? Go ahead. Want to strip all the girls in the camp naked to maximise T&A? Completely allowed. Think it's funny to have Gale hang dong in a wizard hat while wielding a sausage as a weapon in all important cutscenes? It does sound pretty hilarious.
BG3 is simply the game that the gamer wants it to be. Since people play the way they get the experience *they* want. Which is why the game basically gets a hard pass from every single side. Funnily enough since BG3 is extremely inclusive it's also quintessentially woke since that's the core idea behind it. Not because the devs especially aimed at it but because they went completely overboard with giving the players every single option they could think off.
Stellar blade on the other hand... seems to just shove a lot of T&A in your face for no really good reason. I guess it's great if that's what you want but if it's not of course it's going to be controversial.
No? The NPCs aren't your character creation characters. They would have been subjected to the exact same criticism, ala stellar blade. Otherwise where is the option to turn the female companion into star wars outlaw jaw line characters? Or concord beefy tank lady body structure.
Stellar blade female protagonist sex appeal is a design by choice, it's only a controversy if turned into one. Which is what happened when IGN calling it unrealistic body figure and start going after game dev. Even after being called out by game Dev that it's a capture of real body model. If you think that's a normal video game journalists job description then perhaps you should reconsider what has changed. Video game or video game journalists
I honestly don't really think there is such a thing as "video game journalists" anymore. There may have been at some point in the past (not certain about this), but it seems to be thoroughly gone now. There are video game advertisers and video game scandal jockeys nowadays, and that seems to be about it.
Which is also the reason why i basically do not engage with that stuff anymore. Any random youtube video generally provides more accurate information than some "video game journalist".
On October 03 2024 17:14 ETisME wrote: [quote] We as gamers should care how this is happening, because this isn't something that just go away and is forced upon gamers.
This is all started by some developers and major video game journalists with an agenda, and only in the US/west for a reason.
If we were to apply their standard, then classic characters morrigan and Mai Shiranui wouldn't even be on the drawing board.
The only good sign is these are happening at triple A Games mostly and IGN score is showing more and more disconnect with the sales and gamers' score. And more people are calling out about it.
even the nature of video game journalists in these publications are so different compared to what it used to be and Asia, it's a literal activists playground, just look at how Famitsu do their scoring. It's always about the game itself and no other agenda
There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The difference is because BG3 is about choices. All party characters are "player sexual" as Larian calls it. You can romance anyone but if you choose someone else permanently they immediately turn it off. But the player can do whatever they want. Want to roleplay the straightest paladin in Fearun and turn Shadowheart into a tradwife? Absolutely, you can do that. Want to get kinky with a gith and wear bondage clothes? Sure. Want to get gay with Halsin? Go ahead. Want to strip all the girls in the camp naked to maximise T&A? Completely allowed. Think it's funny to have Gale hang dong in a wizard hat while wielding a sausage as a weapon in all important cutscenes? It does sound pretty hilarious.
BG3 is simply the game that the gamer wants it to be. Since people play the way they get the experience *they* want. Which is why the game basically gets a hard pass from every single side. Funnily enough since BG3 is extremely inclusive it's also quintessentially woke since that's the core idea behind it. Not because the devs especially aimed at it but because they went completely overboard with giving the players every single option they could think off.
Stellar blade on the other hand... seems to just shove a lot of T&A in your face for no really good reason. I guess it's great if that's what you want but if it's not of course it's going to be controversial.
No? The NPCs aren't your character creation characters. They would have been subjected to the exact same criticism, ala stellar blade. Otherwise where is the option to turn the female companion into star wars outlaw jaw line characters? Or concord beefy tank lady body structure.
Stellar blade female protagonist sex appeal is a design by choice, it's only a controversy if turned into one. Which is what happened when IGN calling it unrealistic body figure and start going after game dev. Even after being called out by game Dev that it's a capture of real body model. If you think that's a normal video game journalists job description then perhaps you should reconsider what has changed. Video game or video game journalists
I honestly don't really think there is such a thing as "video game journalists" anymore. There may have been at some point in the past (not certain about this), but it seems to be thoroughly gone now. There are video game advertisers and video game scandal jockeys nowadays, and that seems to be about it.
Which is also the reason why i basically do not engage with that stuff anymore. Any random youtube video generally provides more accurate information than some "video game journalist".
I have been growing up with printed Gamestar and to this day I still read gamestar.de regularly and I don't know of any case they have been shitting the bed like IGN does regularly. So yes I do think they still exist.
EDIT: To be clear, they are not flawless and they do make money by advertising. And yes some preview / review ratings are arguable to a point.
When I was 10-14 I had a flyer route and a weekend newspaper route. I used that to play arcade games, buy physical N64 carts, buy cool shoes. My friend group traded carts amongst each other. We did "weekend trades".
Now its loot boxes? Sad. And GI tries to turn it into "good news" that kids are spending less on this digital nothingness.
I loved working for money so I could buy cool stuff and own and collect stuff from age 10 on up. Now its loot boxes? sigh.
Parents have a super tough job in 2024.
On October 12 2024 20:32 Magic Powers wrote: ET isn't completely wrong about this sort of thing. Wukong for example was subject to a heavy, completely fabricated smear campaign by IGN. They also heavily manipulated their GotY vote to bring down Wukong.
+1, good points.
Star Wars Outlaws got nominated for 2 awards. BM Wukong got no nominations. It reminds me of Pro Wrestling where the truly best competitor does not need a fake "championship belt" around his waist to sell tickets to the live event.
Game Science does not need any of these fake western game awards. These IGN awards are as fake as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.
IGN is getting stomped any way. Its cool seeing that Destin Legerie guy with 1 foot out the door building up his own independent online presence before IGN has to lay him off or cut his pay.
On October 12 2024 07:31 ETisME wrote: The whole thing all really started with ESG imo. Years ago when it got massive push, all investment money are going to higher ESG rating companies.
The Canadian, Quebec, and Singapore governments love high ESG scores. For Ubisoft, its biggest customers are not game players. Its biggest customers are the governments of Quebec, Canada, and Singapore.
Quebec's economy is circling the drain despite being in the same position to be thriving that it was from 1945 to 2010. Put in Poker terms .... Canada got dealt pocket Aces 10 hands in a row and somehow managed to lose money. It is comical how bad Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is.
Ubisoft is going to have a tough time getting Quebec to keep giving them more and more giant piles of cash. Ubisoft's biggest studio is in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Ubisoft has 6,000 employees in total in Canada. Overall, Canada is a sinking ship. I used to get debates about my pessimism regardinig Canada's future in the Canadian politics thread. Now, no one argues... everyone knows Canada is going down.
Bye Bye Ubisoft. The Circus Is Getting Boring And The Bread Is Getting Expensive.
On October 03 2024 23:55 WombaT wrote: [quote] There’s nothing stopping anybody making a Morrigan, outside of a vanishingly, vanishingly small minority.
Even people who would like, or are fine with a bit more diversity in major characters, myself included would by and large feel that it makes sense for a character who has a whole plot line triggered by seducing the protagonist to be conventionally attractive
Diversity doesn’t mean x archetype stops existing, just that it’s not the default every time.
Frankly I think the whole thing is massively overblown to begin with so there’s some insidious enemy to justify people complaining that Aloy has a bit of face fuzz or whatever
There’s a whole cottage industry rage baiting constantly on something that isn’t really an issue
Edit: just not worth it.
It's somehow not a controversy for video game journalists to attack video game developers for not complying to their female character standard. And how inclusive and new norm this is all happening. And that IGN article isn't the one making these "overblown" drama.
Any gamer would know historically we ALWAYS had sexualised and non sexualised characters and no big publication would attack it for their own political agenda.
And somehow attractive characters are only these for "male" audience. How seriously disconnected this view is when FGO gacha game expanded to 50/50 male and female gamers. Even the thought that only male gamers enjoy sexualised female characters is pretty hardcore sexists. (Theres literal plenty of clothing Collab for Nier automata)
Either way give it a few years and eastern gaming developer picking up, and we will find out what are the big sellers.
Gaming has developed a lot over the years, it’s subject to the same kin d of cultural criticism that say, film is. One doesn’t have to listen to it. Or you can but you don’t have to agree to it it.
It’s not people who dislike x female representation for being too sexualised review bombing games, it’s people annoyed that Aloy has some facial fuzz.
Content complaining about wokeness ruining video games is far more prevalent on the YouTubes of this world than the inverse. Although the latter does exist of course
I personally find it deeply, deeply tiresome but hey people are entitled to their opinions. They’re just not entitled to do the exact same things they get outraged for other people doing.
People angry at other people is normal, that's hardly an issue. It's just e-drama and you can sit it out or just have the "don't bother, gamers are at fault" kinda attitude towards it all.
Review bombing is gamers collective actions, if it wasn't an issue then it wouldn't be. Lots of PlayStation port to Steam got review bombed due to PSN requirements, is that bad?
video game journalists being activists going after game designers/directors/gamers are not, and shouldnt happen.
Days ago I watched ring of power and it's so bad that I can't even sit through the first season. Then I learnt second season even trying to make orc more likeable or some secret romance.
It's almost like a bunch of amateur modern writers thinking they could do a better work by making it more inclusive and accessible. And none of them understand these are timeless classic masterpiece because it is written by a master author pouring his life's work into it.
I agree that RoP is utter shit, I couldn't even finish the 3rd episode. But it's funny that only bad media is woke.
I read a super funny thread yesterday where people argued that BG3 was great because the devs listened to the gaming community (which is true) compared to Concord that was ruined by woke directors. When called out on the fact that BG3 is woke as fuck in comparison to most games (it's not really you can just do whatever you want and whomever you want. But it's hard to argue that a game where you can play as crossdressing think and take it hard from a bear is not considered woke) they just refused to accept it. Because BG3 is too good to be woke. 😀
This is what frustrates me the most, the extreme contrast between stellar blade and Baldur's gate 3 from video game journalists.
BG3 had literally interspecies sex, and extremely revealing characters with full body details that are not "woke" body types and are horny at all times. Somehow stellar blade is controversial because...she has a nice body and armor is revealing?
The difference is because BG3 is about choices. All party characters are "player sexual" as Larian calls it. You can romance anyone but if you choose someone else permanently they immediately turn it off. But the player can do whatever they want. Want to roleplay the straightest paladin in Fearun and turn Shadowheart into a tradwife? Absolutely, you can do that. Want to get kinky with a gith and wear bondage clothes? Sure. Want to get gay with Halsin? Go ahead. Want to strip all the girls in the camp naked to maximise T&A? Completely allowed. Think it's funny to have Gale hang dong in a wizard hat while wielding a sausage as a weapon in all important cutscenes? It does sound pretty hilarious.
BG3 is simply the game that the gamer wants it to be. Since people play the way they get the experience *they* want. Which is why the game basically gets a hard pass from every single side. Funnily enough since BG3 is extremely inclusive it's also quintessentially woke since that's the core idea behind it. Not because the devs especially aimed at it but because they went completely overboard with giving the players every single option they could think off.
Stellar blade on the other hand... seems to just shove a lot of T&A in your face for no really good reason. I guess it's great if that's what you want but if it's not of course it's going to be controversial.
No? The NPCs aren't your character creation characters. They would have been subjected to the exact same criticism, ala stellar blade. Otherwise where is the option to turn the female companion into star wars outlaw jaw line characters? Or concord beefy tank lady body structure.
Stellar blade female protagonist sex appeal is a design by choice, it's only a controversy if turned into one. Which is what happened when IGN calling it unrealistic body figure and start going after game dev. Even after being called out by game Dev that it's a capture of real body model. If you think that's a normal video game journalists job description then perhaps you should reconsider what has changed. Video game or video game journalists
I honestly don't really think there is such a thing as "video game journalists" anymore. There may have been at some point in the past (not certain about this), but it seems to be thoroughly gone now. There are video game advertisers and video game scandal jockeys nowadays, and that seems to be about it.
Which is also the reason why i basically do not engage with that stuff anymore. Any random youtube video generally provides more accurate information than some "video game journalist".
I have been growing up with printed Gamestar and to this day I still read gamestar.de regularly and I don't know of any case they have been shitting the bed like IGN does regularly. So yes I do think they still exist.
EDIT: To be clear, they are not flawless and they do make money by advertising. And yes some preview / review ratings are arguable to a point.
When I was young, I read everything I could get my hands on with magazines. PCgamer, EDGE, fumitsu and some local ones you wouldn't know.
The local magazine binged the entire Final fantasy X in a week or two, and written a 50 pages NOVEL based on the plot as a bonus on top of the magazine. Those were the good days.
Then online took over and a lot of established local gaming magazine just couldn't compete, too much work involved and editors are not paid well.
Nowadays it's all online and Asian gaming review are still largely only about the games. But the amount of coverage on the state of western videogame journalists increased as well.
When I was 10-14 I had a flyer route and a weekend newspaper route. I used that to play arcade games, buy physical N64 carts, buy cool shoes. My friend group traded carts amongst each other. We did "weekend trades".
Now its loot boxes? Sad. And GI tries to turn it into "good news" that kids are spending less on this digital nothingness.
I loved working for money so I could buy cool stuff and own and collect stuff from age 10 on up. Now its loot boxes? sigh.
On October 12 2024 20:32 Magic Powers wrote: ET isn't completely wrong about this sort of thing. Wukong for example was subject to a heavy, completely fabricated smear campaign by IGN. They also heavily manipulated their GotY vote to bring down Wukong.
+1, good points.
Star Wars Outlaws got nominated for 2 awards. BM Wukong got no nominations. It reminds me of Pro Wrestling where the truly best competitor does not need a fake "championship belt" around his waist to sell tickets to the live event.
Game Science does not need any of these fake western game awards. These IGN awards are as fake as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.
IGN is getting stomped any way. Its cool seeing that Destin Legerie guy with 1 foot out the door building up his own independent online presence before IGN has to lay him off or cut his pay.
On October 12 2024 07:31 ETisME wrote: The whole thing all really started with ESG imo. Years ago when it got massive push, all investment money are going to higher ESG rating companies.
The Canadian, Quebec, and Singapore governments love high ESG scores. For Ubisoft, its biggest customers are not game players. Its biggest customers are the governments of Quebec, Canada, and Singapore.
Quebec's economy is circling the drain despite being in the same position to be thriving that it was from 1945 to 2010. Put in Poker terms .... Canada got dealt pocket Aces 10 hands in a row and somehow managed to lose money. It is comical how bad Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is.
Ubisoft is going to have a tough time getting Quebec to keep giving them more and more giant piles of cash. Ubisoft's biggest studio is in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Ubisoft has 6,000 employees in total in Canada. Overall, Canada is a sinking ship. I used to get debates about my pessimism regardinig Canada's future in the Canadian politics thread. Now, no one argues... everyone knows Canada is going down.
Bye Bye Ubisoft. The Circus Is Getting Boring And The Bread Is Getting Expensive.
You keep complaining about Canada and their monetary involvement with Ubisoft they want to keep going but believe me, it's child play compared to what is going on in Germany for example. Our government is blowing loads of money on VW, Mercedes and other big corpos making your government spending look like peanuts
This is a great look at the history of the Atari 2600. It is funny how this 5K console outlasted so many dumb Atari executives.
what a beast!
David Crane's Bank Switching technique was by far the best. POJR, using the blanket term "bank switching" glosses over exactly who invented what. Subroutine Controlled Automatic Bank Switching was invented by the Activision guys. It was not invented by Atari. This Bank Switching method is a big reason why Activision games were a lot better than Atari games. Atari's Bank Switching method sorta splits the game into two distinct halves. Activision's method does not have this fault.
When I was 10-14 I had a flyer route and a weekend newspaper route. I used that to play arcade games, buy physical N64 carts, buy cool shoes. My friend group traded carts amongst each other. We did "weekend trades".
Now its loot boxes? Sad. And GI tries to turn it into "good news" that kids are spending less on this digital nothingness.
I loved working for money so I could buy cool stuff and own and collect stuff from age 10 on up. Now its loot boxes? sigh.
Parents have a super tough job in 2024.
On October 12 2024 20:32 Magic Powers wrote: ET isn't completely wrong about this sort of thing. Wukong for example was subject to a heavy, completely fabricated smear campaign by IGN. They also heavily manipulated their GotY vote to bring down Wukong.
+1, good points.
Star Wars Outlaws got nominated for 2 awards. BM Wukong got no nominations. It reminds me of Pro Wrestling where the truly best competitor does not need a fake "championship belt" around his waist to sell tickets to the live event.
Game Science does not need any of these fake western game awards. These IGN awards are as fake as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.
IGN is getting stomped any way. Its cool seeing that Destin Legerie guy with 1 foot out the door building up his own independent online presence before IGN has to lay him off or cut his pay.
On October 12 2024 07:31 ETisME wrote: The whole thing all really started with ESG imo. Years ago when it got massive push, all investment money are going to higher ESG rating companies.
The Canadian, Quebec, and Singapore governments love high ESG scores. For Ubisoft, its biggest customers are not game players. Its biggest customers are the governments of Quebec, Canada, and Singapore.
Quebec's economy is circling the drain despite being in the same position to be thriving that it was from 1945 to 2010. Put in Poker terms .... Canada got dealt pocket Aces 10 hands in a row and somehow managed to lose money. It is comical how bad Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is.
Ubisoft is going to have a tough time getting Quebec to keep giving them more and more giant piles of cash. Ubisoft's biggest studio is in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Ubisoft has 6,000 employees in total in Canada. Overall, Canada is a sinking ship. I used to get debates about my pessimism regardinig Canada's future in the Canadian politics thread. Now, no one argues... everyone knows Canada is going down.
Bye Bye Ubisoft. The Circus Is Getting Boring And The Bread Is Getting Expensive.
You keep complaining about Canada and their monetary involvement with Ubisoft they want to keep going but believe me, it's child play compared to what is going on in Germany for example. Our government is blowing loads of money on VW, Mercedes and other big corpos making your government spending look like peanuts
The dumb video game subsidies by Canada and Quebec are only a symptom of the bigger problem of two governments that have no clue what they are doing.
The video game work coming out of Quebec is bad. What is the quality and reputation of VW and Mercedes?
If you make a game about assasins in Japan why not make it about ninjas? Is it to obvious? If you want a different point of view make the main character female. Having to navigate patriarchal world as a female ninja in order to reach your targets would even be interesting because you would have to learn feudal Japanese customs in order to blend in. Can't just put on some samurai armor and run around.
Like it's possible to break the mold and still be historically correct and intresting. Having a black samurai as an assasin just feels retarded.
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