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On November 27 2018 01:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 01:44 zatic wrote:On November 27 2018 01:10 Plansix wrote:On November 27 2018 00:33 JimmiC wrote:On November 27 2018 00:20 Plansix wrote:On November 27 2018 00:17 Nebuchad wrote:On November 26 2018 23:52 Plansix wrote:On November 26 2018 23:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Fivethirtyeight has written extensively on the scale of the blue wave. It looks like a tie, because republicans won a couple of seats in the senate, but apparently in a normal year and considering the map, they should have wiped out democrats there.
Now they also warned it probably means very little for 2020... I think a lot of the “disappointment” around the midterm election is due to a lack of context when it comes to congress. People didn’t know what victory would look like. After all, Democrats were well known for not turning out in the midterms. It was also compounded by the 2016 election where people were unwilling to put to much stock the predicting power of polls. The result also looks way better now than it did right after the election. A lot of the close/undecided house seats ended up going to the democrats. It's a clear victory now. Yeah, elections do not function on the “Game Night” format for enjoyable TV viewing and instant gratification. It can take weeks for elections to fully resolve. My bet is in 2020, people will have a bit more patience when it comes to how congress shakes out. But that is a lifetime away. American elections don't. Other places it is all sorted out that night or at worst by the next day. All those countries are really small and have tiny populations. Not sure if serious or joking but there is no reason why a process that works perfectly well for 10, 20, 40, 50, 80mio people shouldn't scale to 300mio. In theory? Sure. But in practice there are more factors at play, like logistics and the number of elections. I should have explained myself better in saying that the sheer volume of elections held in the US in the mid terms meant that several of them are like to go into “overtime” because the race is close. And all of our voting infrastructure is not equal as well.
Even if everything ran smoothly and was something that went quickly the US is still divided across a lot of timezones. Most people are already going to be asleep by time the counts on the west coast (never mind Hawaii) come in. So to grab the east coast viewers we get the takes and narratives before the election counts are over even when those counts come in at a reasonable amount of time.
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Its also not like the whole US has issues or that very "special" places have these issues. Its just incompetence paired with no will to fix it.
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Florida is a special level of trash when it comes to existing, elections included. I’m not really disputing that the US sucks at elections. We suck at them. But I don’t think running elections better would minimize the amount of time it takes to resolve the closest races. Especially states that require hand recounts.
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If your System is worth anything even close cases are clear and even if you would recount, thats solved the next day by... Plain recounting.
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On November 27 2018 02:29 Velr wrote:
If your System is worth anything even close cases are clear and even if you would recount, thats solved the next day by... Plain recounting.
Agreed on most levels. However, in most european places, a tenth of a percent is usually not very relevant. In the US, a tenth of a percent can be everything due to winner takes it all.
Still does not really explain why it takes weeks to count votes. Something must be systemically wrong for that to happen. If there is some court challenge, sure, maybe. But just plain counting votes in an election is just what that election is, and there should be a system for it that makes certain that that count is quick and accurate. It is not like the amount of votes is highly unpredictable. Sure, there may 20% more or less than expected. But that shouldn't break a system. And there should be reasonable data on how many votes an average polling station with x people working can count per hour, considering that this is by far not the first election that happened.
It really sounds like major incompetence for that process to take weeks.
Edit: Also "Require hand recounts?" How else do you count your ballots if not by hand? Do you have some weird machines that make it slightly cheaper, but are far less reliable?
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You can call those countries small all you like Plansix, but there's actually no reason why a country with a population of 80 million like Germany or 60 million like UK and France and Spain can have an election result within a day whilst a country with 300 million cannot except for American exceptionalism. There is no logistal problem that you can point out. Especially in the modern age of fast as light communication. It's not like they have to load the paper votes by train to Washington.
Even Italy looks good compared to USA. Italy!
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On November 27 2018 02:24 Plansix wrote:
Florida is a special level of trash when it comes to existing, elections included. I’m not really disputing that the US sucks at elections. We suck at them. But I don’t think running elections better would minimize the amount of time it takes to resolve the closest races. Especially states that require hand recounts.
"X state is a special level of trash when it comes to existing"
Glad to see we're still practicing high quality standards of posting here
10/10 never change dude
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Lol, the only state in the history of the United States to have its recount process brought before the Supreme Court isn’t “X state,” it’s Florida. P6 may be using coarse language, but his point is valid. Don’t let that stop you from dropping back into a thread only to snowflake on behalf of a state, though.
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It's the point of this thread is it not? To special snowflake about USA?
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So.. Question.
Why isn't it fixed yet? Iirc bush v gore showed that there were issues? Most of the SC2 fans on this sote barely remember that one...
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On November 27 2018 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 02:24 Plansix wrote:
Florida is a special level of trash when it comes to existing, elections included. I’m not really disputing that the US sucks at elections. We suck at them. But I don’t think running elections better would minimize the amount of time it takes to resolve the closest races. Especially states that require hand recounts. "X state is a special level of trash when it comes to existing" Glad to see we're still practicing high quality standards of posting here 10/10 never change dude
Florida is a special level of trash because it is so god damn proud of being the biggest dumpster fire.
Mayor to female commissioner: You make a living off anal bleaching. It’s a #MeToo moment, she says
As Fav put it, FL got dragged before the highest court and put on blast nationally for how poorly their elections are handled. Twenty years later, still shit at elections and fundamentally uninterested in improving. I bet 20 years from now they will still be shit at elections. Because they like it.
Own your state’s bullshit, rather than running from it. I’m from MA, we suck at driving, hate road signs, only know how to build highways that go west to east, and Boston is pretty racist on average.
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On November 27 2018 04:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's the point of this thread is it not? To special snowflake about USA?
To the extent that every nation/region specific thread is intended to provide space for posters to discuss topics specific to those nations/regions, sure.
On November 27 2018 04:21 Velr wrote:
So.. Question.
Why isn't it fixed yet? Iirc bush v gore showed that there were issues? Most of the SC2 fans on this sote barely remember that one...
I’ll say more later if I have time, but this relates to my admittedly tired recounting of the US’ unique brand of federalism relative to the state/federal divide. For reasons both imagined and related to vague things supposedly proclaimed by people over 300 years ago, the US’ elections law dictates that it’s very important to let each of the 50 states basically govern their own election procedures/processes/administration. Accordingly, aside from some very limited matters, each state can do what it wants when it comes to holding elections and counting votes. Many states, Florida included, simply don’t prioritize making the process easier or better in any way, and in political terms, it isn’t hard to see why.
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A good way to think of the US is that each of the 13 original states were colonies that formed a federal government together. Each of those colonies retained a lot of autonomy from that federal government and were very focused on limiting the power of that federal government to control them. Because of that, each of the now States held their own elections to send senators and representatives to that federal government. This tension between the Federal goverment and state governments has been evergreen political fuel.
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On November 27 2018 04:38 JimmiC wrote:
Has Trump said anything about the Russian attack of the Ukrainian ships yet? This seems like a pretty major event, I get that Russia took Crimea,and there is the it is not us, but it really is us Donbass stuff. This however is very bold, and no masking it as someone else doing it.
Trump did comment on it. The comments were so bad everyone pretended they didn't happen. This tweet went up ~4 hrs after first news of the ship fight nonsense broke. Trump's position is that the NATO guys are freeloaders taking advantage of the USA and that USA will abandon them. There have been no comments since. So the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA.
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On November 27 2018 05:28 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 04:38 JimmiC wrote:
Has Trump said anything about the Russian attack of the Ukrainian ships yet? This seems like a pretty major event, I get that Russia took Crimea,and there is the it is not us, but it really is us Donbass stuff. This however is very bold, and no masking it as someone else doing it. Trump did comment on it. The comments were so bad everyone pretended they didn't happen. This tweet went up ~4 hrs after first news of the ship fight nonsense broke. Trump's position is that the NATO guys are freeloaders taking advantage of the USA and that USA will abandon them. There have been no comments since. So the standing USA position is that we don't care and Russia will face not even mild verbal complaints from the USA. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1066790517944606721
... Good grief.
I also resent the idea that each thread is for people to special snowflake about their own country. The UK thread is there for us UK people to bitch about our country and be sad the Empire faded, thank you very much.
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And Trump just said he doesn’t believe the EPAs report on climate change. That is it, he doesn’t believe it. No qualifications or dancing around it, he just doesn’t believe the science. It’s fake.
Edit: it wouldn’t be a UK thread is folks were don’t bemoaning how the UK isn’t as awesome as it used to be, while also feeling bad about all the colonialism.
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But Ukraine isn't in NATO. That's kind of the reason why Russia can just do whatever they like, and it could even be the reason as to why Russia attacked their naval vessels. I don't even understand.
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On November 27 2018 05:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
But Ukraine isn't in NATO. That's kind of the reason why Russia can just do whatever they like, and it could even be the reason as to why Russia attacked their naval vessels.
Do you seriously think Trump knows whether or not "the Ukraine" is in NATO?
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